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well ,where are you ?
I have never voted for them and never will,but when i speak to others they appear not to have voted for them either. strange that!
I have never voted for them and never will,but when i speak to others they appear not to have voted for them either. strange that!
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westfour4 03 Jan 20:30
bin men,road sweepers,train drivers,postman,british airways,and i could name more,all soon to go out on strike.
Will just add to the Labour woes.
Vote Tory,you no it makes sence
I know it makes no sense!
bin men,road sweepers,train drivers,postman,british airways,and i could name more,all soon to go out on strike.
Will just add to the Labour woes.
Vote Tory,you no it makes sence
I know it makes no sense!
know- sense
Yep hold my hands up,slap of the wrist.
I blame the keyboard.
Yep hold my hands up,slap of the wrist.
I blame the keyboard.
if that lot get in again, we'll deffo go bust (if we don't anyway)
punterfleecer 03 Jan 18:02
They bought their detached house in the north for £30,000 in 1982 which apparently is a big deal of money in the north.
They sold it for £58,000 in 1990 and bought another detached house that's actually smaller in which they still live in now for £58,000
does that not signify an almost 100% rise in house price in 8 years under the Tory government?
Obviously still affordable, and rather ironic, as your original post was claiming that for those with a mortgage at that time life was tough as interest rates were 14% under the Tories throughout 1990!!
They bought their detached house in the north for £30,000 in 1982 which apparently is a big deal of money in the north.
They sold it for £58,000 in 1990 and bought another detached house that's actually smaller in which they still live in now for £58,000
does that not signify an almost 100% rise in house price in 8 years under the Tory government?
Obviously still affordable, and rather ironic, as your original post was claiming that for those with a mortgage at that time life was tough as interest rates were 14% under the Tories throughout 1990!!
£58,000 in 1990 affordable for those in the north?
plus with 14% interest on top?
plus with 14% interest on top?
you have to bear in mind that my mum and dad's mortgage was still £30,000 in 1990 as they made £28,000 on the first house they sold and used that as deposit for the new house
So you have told us why this fu(kwit Glubberment faield in its duty to build houses, now explain why the Tories did build.
did the Tories build?
need figures
also it has been said that there are hundreds of thousands of houses in the country that are empty right now
need figures
also it has been said that there are hundreds of thousands of houses in the country that are empty right now
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:38
£58,000 in 1990 affordable for those in the north?
plus with 14% interest on top
Completely swerving the points aren't you, it obviously was affordable else your parents would not have been able to sell it would they?
And that someone was willing to buy it with rates at 14% makes a lie to the claim that mortgagees were struggling, its not the rate that matters its the price you pay.
how many homes would sell at todays prices if rates were 14%?
£58,000 in 1990 affordable for those in the north?
plus with 14% interest on top
Completely swerving the points aren't you, it obviously was affordable else your parents would not have been able to sell it would they?
And that someone was willing to buy it with rates at 14% makes a lie to the claim that mortgagees were struggling, its not the rate that matters its the price you pay.
how many homes would sell at todays prices if rates were 14%?
actually funnily enough, new flats and houses have just been build right across the road from my place, they are not filled up, why not?
cos punters are willing not to be fleeced by private companies, these flats are way overpriced, and no-one is willing to buy it
and they are not putting the house prices down to a reasonable level or else the company will go bust.......those flats and houses are "assets" to the bank, and the bank must be willing to wait until the housing market picks up
those houses should be sold at a price right now, but it seems the company and banks are unwilling to do so
cos punters are willing not to be fleeced by private companies, these flats are way overpriced, and no-one is willing to buy it
and they are not putting the house prices down to a reasonable level or else the company will go bust.......those flats and houses are "assets" to the bank, and the bank must be willing to wait until the housing market picks up
those houses should be sold at a price right now, but it seems the company and banks are unwilling to do so
potlis 03 Jan 20:58
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:38
£58,000 in 1990 affordable for those in the north?
plus with 14% interest on top
Completely swerving the points aren't you, it obviously was affordable else your parents would not have been able to sell it would they?
And that someone was willing to buy it with rates at 14% makes a lie to the claim that mortgagees were struggling, its not the rate that matters its the price you pay.
how many homes would sell at todays prices if rates were 14%?
The couple that bought it off my mum and dad must've had a massive deposit themselves.
I'm afraid I don't know regarding the situation of first-time buyers in 1990, do you?
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:38
£58,000 in 1990 affordable for those in the north?
plus with 14% interest on top
Completely swerving the points aren't you, it obviously was affordable else your parents would not have been able to sell it would they?
And that someone was willing to buy it with rates at 14% makes a lie to the claim that mortgagees were struggling, its not the rate that matters its the price you pay.
how many homes would sell at todays prices if rates were 14%?
The couple that bought it off my mum and dad must've had a massive deposit themselves.
I'm afraid I don't know regarding the situation of first-time buyers in 1990, do you?
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:54
did the Tories build?
need figures
Look it up then (ONS)
Its a fact that this Glubberments housing ministers keep getting reminded of, LOL,which is why we have a new minister every six months.
did the Tories build?
need figures
Look it up then (ONS)
Its a fact that this Glubberments housing ministers keep getting reminded of, LOL,which is why we have a new minister every six months.
ok fine
but explain this
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:58
actually funnily enough, new flats and houses have just been build right across the road from my place, they are not filled up, why not?
if they can't sell it, why are they not putting the prices down?
but explain this
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:58
actually funnily enough, new flats and houses have just been build right across the road from my place, they are not filled up, why not?
if they can't sell it, why are they not putting the prices down?
It's not just across the road, I'd imagine this to be happening all over the country?
Sold to first timers in 1989, a large semi in Bromley, south London suburbs, £78K, paid £11K for it in 1975, double digit rates for most of that period, and thats my point, its the price not the rates.
That property would be out of reach for any normal first timer today because of price, they would happily pay double the rates at half the price.
That property would be out of reach for any normal first timer today because of price, they would happily pay double the rates at half the price.
£78k would be regarded as extremely expensive in 1989 up here
I'm not swerving here, but I don't think we can talk on the same level regarding house price between London, and houses near the English / Scottish border
And in the Tory era, all the money was in London, I think Margaret Thatcher didn't give a fυck about the North
I'm not swerving here, but I don't think we can talk on the same level regarding house price between London, and houses near the English / Scottish border
And in the Tory era, all the money was in London, I think Margaret Thatcher didn't give a fυck about the North
There's mansions in Dullater 2 miles away from me, selling for £250k 5 years ago, is that near your price?
With prices rising again why would they not wait until the price comes up to meet them?, with financing so cheap they probably think they are sitting on an appreciating asset (they are wrong).
Much the same reason the banks are holding onto repossesed property instead of auctioning it off, as they were doing twelve months ago.
Much the same reason the banks are holding onto repossesed property instead of auctioning it off, as they were doing twelve months ago.
punterfleecer 03 Jan 21:28
again you swerved from my question
What question?
again you swerved from my question
What question?
punterfleecer 03 Jan 20:58
actually funnily enough, new flats and houses have just been build right across the road from my place, they are not filled up, why not?
if they can't sell it, why are they not putting the prices down?
This one
actually funnily enough, new flats and houses have just been build right across the road from my place, they are not filled up, why not?
if they can't sell it, why are they not putting the prices down?
This one
sorry wait you answered it, give me a minute to reply
potlis 03 Jan 21:32
With prices rising again why would they not wait until the price comes up to meet them?, with financing so cheap they probably think they are sitting on an appreciating asset (they are wrong).
Much the same reason the banks are holding onto repossesed property instead of auctioning it off, as they were doing twelve months ago.
Well that's the answer I was looking for.
So basically private builders and banks are encouraging house price rises? and what can the government do about it?
This is an ongoing problem that was always going to happen and not whatever Government that's in power
You also have the problem of is it worth it that the Government builds "council houses" because all over this country, there is this notion of "moving into a council house is for chavs" so no-one will move into them and that's a fact of life, in the same way we complain about windmills yet they are everywhere in the Netherlands
If Gordon Brown has to face the attitudes of the potential house buyers that they'll not move into a "council house" then is it worth him spending the UK's money on houses no-one will move into and perhaps better off spending it elsewhere?
With prices rising again why would they not wait until the price comes up to meet them?, with financing so cheap they probably think they are sitting on an appreciating asset (they are wrong).
Much the same reason the banks are holding onto repossesed property instead of auctioning it off, as they were doing twelve months ago.
Well that's the answer I was looking for.
So basically private builders and banks are encouraging house price rises? and what can the government do about it?
This is an ongoing problem that was always going to happen and not whatever Government that's in power
You also have the problem of is it worth it that the Government builds "council houses" because all over this country, there is this notion of "moving into a council house is for chavs" so no-one will move into them and that's a fact of life, in the same way we complain about windmills yet they are everywhere in the Netherlands
If Gordon Brown has to face the attitudes of the potential house buyers that they'll not move into a "council house" then is it worth him spending the UK's money on houses no-one will move into and perhaps better off spending it elsewhere?
So basically private builders and banks are encouraging house price rises? and what can the government do about it?
He can start by Building the 3million homes he pledged, what are we suppossed to believe, its beyond the wit of this Glubberment to build and sell homes!!
Its rediculous to claim its not the government responsibility to ensure the housing needs of the population are met,they may not succeed but they have a responsibility to try.
As cancellor Brown simply poured more and more money into the same housing stock with rediculous schemes such as grants for essential workers, if you dish out £30k to house hunters without increasing supply you can guarantee that the exsisting stock will increase in value by £30k, all of those millions should have gone into building houses.
He can start by Building the 3million homes he pledged, what are we suppossed to believe, its beyond the wit of this Glubberment to build and sell homes!!
Its rediculous to claim its not the government responsibility to ensure the housing needs of the population are met,they may not succeed but they have a responsibility to try.
As cancellor Brown simply poured more and more money into the same housing stock with rediculous schemes such as grants for essential workers, if you dish out £30k to house hunters without increasing supply you can guarantee that the exsisting stock will increase in value by £30k, all of those millions should have gone into building houses.
look at my post above
people in this country have a bad attitude towards moving into a "council house" they are scoffed at
people in this country have a bad attitude towards moving into a "council house" they are scoffed at
I think you live in dream land along with your up market Labour voters,I bet lots of young couples would be delighted to get a council house,
Prima Donna 03 Jan 22:56
I think you live in dream land along with your up market Labour voters,I bet lots of young couples would be delighted to get a council house
The flats/houses across the road are not getting sold, thanks to the greedy companies and bankers
would you like to help?
I think you live in dream land along with your up market Labour voters,I bet lots of young couples would be delighted to get a council house
The flats/houses across the road are not getting sold, thanks to the greedy companies and bankers
would you like to help?
not to mention half the banks are "state-owned", they have no morals
all money money money, greed is good, Maggie Thatcher!
Punter, I do help, my workers all live rent free,and i pay the council tax for them as well,I pay top wages and give them all one weeks free holiday in my house in the south of France.This I do because I am very fair,I know they all work hard,but talking of housing,do you know that people earning around 20k per year have almost no chance of a home,thats all down to your idiot Gov',but I know you dont want to hear that,vote for them after all its a free country,dont you think iys a shame when people with no chance walk past empty brand new homes,that are to expensive for almost anyone.I would sit back and have a long think as to why you want to vote for a party that has done this to its people!
put the prices down and people will buy them
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
not to mention half the banks are "state-owned", they have no morals
because of who .. the government !
because of who .. the government !
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:19
not to mention half the banks are "state-owned", they have no morals
because of who .. the government !
Greedy bankers that don't know how to run a bank perhaps?
not to mention half the banks are "state-owned", they have no morals
because of who .. the government !
Greedy bankers that don't know how to run a bank perhaps?
they're told what to do at top level punter ... you pat our back ?
these banks are private owned, what do you need the government to father them for?
after all, the bankers in the "city" are extremely well paid so they must be doing a "good" enough job!
after all, the bankers in the "city" are extremely well paid so they must be doing a "good" enough job!
bankers have been given the responsibility of setting the interest rates, so the government can leave it to trustful London, they don't have a clue
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:18
put the prices down and people will buy them
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
put the prices down and people will buy them
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
when it all kicked off in america .. Uk Banks were encouraged to 'help out' and buy up large amounts of debts
Barclays were smart and walked away !
Barclays were smart and walked away !
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:23
when it all kicked off in america .. Uk Banks were encouraged to 'help out' and buy up large amounts of debts
cite please
when it all kicked off in america .. Uk Banks were encouraged to 'help out' and buy up large amounts of debts
cite please
did the government tell the privately owned banks to help out as well?
and the UK helping out USA?, I didn't realise we owed them that much after WW2!
they're all privately owned banks punter .. that's the point
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:26
they're all privately owned banks punter .. that's the point
exactly, a Tory idea, nearly ran the country down
well they were BEFORE that
Barclays were ''encouraged'' by the government ... to cover it all up
They did the maths and walked away ... that's when Lehman Bros went bust (the start of it all)
Barclays were ''encouraged'' by the government ... to cover it all up
They did the maths and walked away ... that's when Lehman Bros went bust (the start of it all)
look, you're diverting again on purpose
answer this
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:23
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:18
put the prices down and people will buy them
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
answer this
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:23
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:18
put the prices down and people will buy them
too many greedy bankers about and private building companies that the tories are in favour of
how will the Tories ease the housing problem?
I'm trying to iterate what the Tories would do differently
these banks are private owned, what do you need the government to father them for?
good banks don't .. that's the whole point
good banks don't .. that's the whole point
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:34
these banks are private owned, what do you need the government to father them for?
good banks don't .. that's the whole point
good banks failed
these banks are private owned, what do you need the government to father them for?
good banks don't .. that's the whole point
good banks failed
No .. good banks are still privately owned ffs
The rest shoulda gone BUST .. the government didn't want that did they !?
The rest shoulda gone BUST .. the government didn't want that did they !?
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tell me a good bank, and i'll tell gordon brown to make sure he tells everyone who to bank with
Punter,Good god man now i can see why Labour are in such a mess with people like you supporting it ,I will take the view that you are naive,rather than you havent got a forking clue.
neither do you prima donna, I asked a question on here many times which has still went unanswered
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punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:38
tell me a good bank, and i'll tell gordon brown to make sure he tells everyone who to bank with
tell me a good bank, and i'll tell gordon brown to make sure he tells everyone who to bank with
I just have .. are you drunk ?
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:41
I just have .. are you drunk ?
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
when?
I just have .. are you drunk ?
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
when?
Goodnight punter,you are digging yorself into that big hole that swallows fools,
Prima Donna 03 Jan 23:43
Goodnight punter,you are digging yorself into that big hole that swallows fools,
running away more like
Goodnight punter,you are digging yorself into that big hole that swallows fools,
running away more like
punterfleecer 03 Jan 23:43
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:41
I just have .. are you drunk ?
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
when?
no answer?
and why make it difficult?
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:41
I just have .. are you drunk ?
There's also a lot more .. Not in this Greedy country !
when?
no answer?
and why make it difficult?
When .. probably forever .. santander .. spanish .. now moving in .. they won't even call it Abbey any longer :(
punter,yes but they are only open to the chosen few,how old are you?have you left school yet?
theres 60 million people in this country, but a good bank only open to the chosen few
what about you prima donna, have you left school yet?
none, am a good old civil servant who thank fυck that HMRC are trying their utmost to get all those offshore accounts queried
Mc Moonbeam 03 Jan 23:56
I bank with ING now .. they're Dutch
an internet company that's been out for a while, don't kid yourself
I bank with ING now .. they're Dutch
an internet company that's been out for a while, don't kid yourself
there must be threads like this every day or two on the politics forum
there are some sensitive souls on Chit Chat who could get confused by reading the posts within this thread ............ be away with you !
there are some sensitive souls on Chit Chat who could get confused by reading the posts within this thread ............ be away with you !
punter they're the 8th largest company in the world
you two don't know what you're really talking about because of your disconcerting answers
I gave a political question earlier, to which you two have totally avoided
I gave a political question earlier, to which you two have totally avoided
you're right curious cat, this thread doesn't deserve to be on here
I answered your questions ..
I haven't got a clue about the Tories .. and i basically couldn't give 2 fcks
It's a train wreck now .. even they know that
I haven't got a clue about the Tories .. and i basically couldn't give 2 fcks
It's a train wreck now .. even they know that
punter its just as well you know your place at the HMRC,its true what they all say that the tories are the ruling party,so leave it to us to keep you in your place,you wont beat us ,because you cant.
Mc Moonbeam 04 Jan 00:02
I answered your questions ..
I haven't got a clue about the Tories .. and i basically couldn't give 2 fcks
It's a train wreck now .. even they know that
Good, they can't solve the problems since we knew they couldn't such as the recession of the 80's
I answered your questions ..
I haven't got a clue about the Tories .. and i basically couldn't give 2 fcks
It's a train wreck now .. even they know that
Good, they can't solve the problems since we knew they couldn't such as the recession of the 80's
Prima Donna 04 Jan 00:03
punter its just as well you know your place at the HMRC,its true what they all say that the tories are the ruling party,so leave it to us to keep you in your place,you wont beat us ,because you cant.
Scares me, thinking most of the thick population will vote Tory, because after all, most of the population don't have a clue
punter its just as well you know your place at the HMRC,its true what they all say that the tories are the ruling party,so leave it to us to keep you in your place,you wont beat us ,because you cant.
Scares me, thinking most of the thick population will vote Tory, because after all, most of the population don't have a clue
I'll probably just leave the country tbh
It's never helped me so why help it ?
It's never helped me so why help it ?
well, a foreign political party will advocate your future
punterfleecer 03 Jan 22:59
all money money money, greed is good, Maggie Thatcher!
Politically rabid, and happy to ignore all substantive points in an effort to defend a Glubberment who itself is willing to acknowledge its shortcommings over housing policy, waste of time debating with.
People wont buy council built houses?!!LOL, the fact that millions have through the "right to buy" scheme seems to have completely passed you by.
all money money money, greed is good, Maggie Thatcher!
Politically rabid, and happy to ignore all substantive points in an effort to defend a Glubberment who itself is willing to acknowledge its shortcommings over housing policy, waste of time debating with.
People wont buy council built houses?!!LOL, the fact that millions have through the "right to buy" scheme seems to have completely passed you by.
the right to buy scheme was wrong because it created many profiteering out of it
so it wont happen again
so it wont happen again
punter ..
where do i open an account at the Bank of England plz ?
where do i open an account at the Bank of England plz ?
yawn yawn, given up on here
but willing to help very-valuable if he needs tax credit advice for his employees
but willing to help very-valuable if he needs tax credit advice for his employees
punterfleecer 04 Jan 13:57
the right to buy scheme was wrong because it created many profiteering out of it
so it wont happen again
Yep, must be a real conumdrum for someone with your political hang-ups, all those working class families profiting from a Tory idea.
the right to buy scheme was wrong because it created many profiteering out of it
so it wont happen again
Yep, must be a real conumdrum for someone with your political hang-ups, all those working class families profiting from a Tory idea.
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