New Posts For Thread: A hypothetical question about judges and juries.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juriesImagine a murder trial where the defendant, although pleading NOT GUILTY, is obviously guilty beyond any shred of a doubt. Lots of witnesses, video evidence etc.Here are the questions:1) Can the judge order (as opposed to recommend) the jury to returI believe the protection of 'double jeopardy' was removed a few years ago.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556601973#556601973I believe the protection of 'double jeopardy' was removed a few years ago.Sat, 09 Feb 2019 08:47:57 -0600I was thinking more of revenge.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556601539#556601539I was thinking more of revenge.Sat, 09 Feb 2019 07:58:50 -0600To be fair to the OP, there have been occasions when juries' reluctance to convict led to changes in the law. It was said to be one of the factors behind the abolition of capital punishment. Then there Diplock courts in Northern Ireland.What OP needshttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556600867#556600867To be fair to the OP, there have been occasions when juries' reluctance to convict led to changes in the law. It was said to be one of the factors behind the abolition of capital punishment. Then there Diplock courts in Northern Ireland.What OP needsSat, 09 Feb 2019 05:56:33 -0600Good question, or it would be if for the past five centuries there were no guilty verdicts because white christian juries refused to convict white christian defendants.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556599695#556599695Good question, or it would be if for the past five centuries there were no guilty verdicts because white christian juries refused to convict white christian defendants.Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:30:06 -0600SU goalie having a marehttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556598279#556598279SU goalie having a mareFri, 08 Feb 2019 15:31:12 -0600alun - I think you are referring to a time in the future when any current minority might assume such numbers that they might, by the normal selection process, form the majority of a chosen jury. In this case, and even NOW, the defence OR the prosecuthttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556598165#556598165alun - I think you are referring to a time in the future when any current minority might assume such numbers that they might, by the normal selection process, form the majority of a chosen jury. In this case, and even NOW, the defence OR the prosecutFri, 08 Feb 2019 15:15:33 -0600Another hypothetical question that people in the various massively enriched arts of the UK should be asking. How far away is the day when prosecutors will not be able to achieve a guilty verdict on an open and shut piece of criminality, because of thhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556597733#556597733Another hypothetical question that people in the various massively enriched arts of the UK should be asking. How far away is the day when prosecutors will not be able to achieve a guilty verdict on an open and shut piece of criminality, because of thFri, 08 Feb 2019 14:39:59 -0600A judge can't overule a guilty verdict. He can direct them to return a NG and end the trial before their deliberations.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556597659#556597659A judge can't overule a guilty verdict. He can direct them to return a NG and end the trial before their deliberations.Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:33:02 -0600I think the judge can overrule a guilty verdict but cannot overrule a not guilty verdict.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556597599#556597599I think the judge can overrule a guilty verdict but cannot overrule a not guilty verdict.Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:23:46 -0600Oh I see Blackbarn already mentioned that one. Yes, Russell Bishop, I'd forgotten his name.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/31502833/a-hypothetical-question-about-judges-and-juries?post_id=556597591#556597591Oh I see Blackbarn already mentioned that one. Yes, Russell Bishop, I'd forgotten his name.Fri, 08 Feb 2019 14:22:21 -0600