New Posts For Thread: Martin McGuiness - did he save more than he killed?https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killedDid it take an IRA terrorist to dismantle the IRA and bring peace to NI and the rest of Britain?I can't help thinking that both Adams and he saw a way of gaining partial power/independence via political means whilst escaping personal accountability.running on the spot How many people did the uvf Uda kill ?https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551473691#551473691running on the spot How many people did the uvf Uda kill ?Wed, 22 Mar 2017 15:37:35 -0500I've forgotten to take into account those killed in England, and a few more in Europe, which totals 143, though not all are IRA victims. Probably lowers aka's 1700 to around the 600 mark.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551470321#551470321I've forgotten to take into account those killed in England, and a few more in Europe, which totals 143, though not all are IRA victims. Probably lowers aka's 1700 to around the 600 mark.Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:25:44 -0500this was a very dangerous time, not as it had been for decades for the innocent public, but the members of these organisations themselves.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551470277#551470277this was a very dangerous time, not as it had been for decades for the innocent public, but the members of these organisations themselves.Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:19:03 -0500what was happening around the time that the IRA called a ceasefire?well by the start of the 1990s the UVF was focusing on targeting known republicansmembers of the IRA political wing ,sinn fein or members of the IRA itself.and around the same time thhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551470247#551470247what was happening around the time that the IRA called a ceasefire?well by the start of the 1990s the UVF was focusing on targeting known republicansmembers of the IRA political wing ,sinn fein or members of the IRA itself.and around the same time thWed, 22 Mar 2017 10:17:03 -0500I think it was the loyalist paramilitaries who decommissioned when the IRA was no longer considered to be a threat.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551470167#551470167I think it was the loyalist paramilitaries who decommissioned when the IRA was no longer considered to be a threat.Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:08:37 -0500Not going to bother debating who started it (answer = the other lot) but will question akabula's numbers. He says the IRA were responsible for the deaths of 1700 innocent Irish citizens. I readily acknowledge the difficulty in putting exact numbers thttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551470071#551470071Not going to bother debating who started it (answer = the other lot) but will question akabula's numbers. He says the IRA were responsible for the deaths of 1700 innocent Irish citizens. I readily acknowledge the difficulty in putting exact numbers tWed, 22 Mar 2017 09:54:53 -0500Yes you are correct Starshipenterprise.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551469539#551469539Yes you are correct Starshipenterprise.Wed, 22 Mar 2017 08:18:48 -0500Dr Crippen perhaps you misread the post?His wife is nodding as he goes on: "Jimmy did a great deal of good, as well as wrong. And in anybody's life, you have to look at both sides of the ledger."https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551469309#551469309Dr Crippen perhaps you misread the post?His wife is nodding as he goes on: "Jimmy did a great deal of good, as well as wrong. And in anybody's life, you have to look at both sides of the ledger."Wed, 22 Mar 2017 07:15:26 -0500he never bit my tadhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551469297#551469297he never bit my tadWed, 22 Mar 2017 07:12:10 -0500Yes Crisp77 but he was a tad bitter.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30833801/martin-mcguiness---did-he-save-more-than-he-killed?post_id=551469199#551469199Yes Crisp77 but he was a tad bitter.Wed, 22 Mar 2017 06:48:33 -0500