New Posts For Thread: Churchill was greatest PM - no I don't think so. Attlee was.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-wasAfter the war - they voted Churchill out and voted ATTLEE in. Why? Because killing folk was over. Helping and healing was in. The NHS was established by Attlee's government and it's been under attack from the sort of creeps that like to kill and putEvens, rob. But that was months beforehand. I will never forgive Kinnock. We'll never know for sure whether Blair could have won without Murdoch onside. If he had, I think he'd have been the only one to do so in the last 40 years.But that's a policyhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543402919#543402919Evens, rob. But that was months beforehand. I will never forgive Kinnock. We'll never know for sure whether Blair could have won without Murdoch onside. If he had, I think he'd have been the only one to do so in the last 40 years.But that's a policyTue, 03 Feb 2015 11:14:04 -0600We could have had a government that wasn't in cahoots with Murdoch too, Blair didn't need to get into bed with Murdoch, he would have got in anyway.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543402723#543402723We could have had a government that wasn't in cahoots with Murdoch too, Blair didn't need to get into bed with Murdoch, he would have got in anyway.Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:00:05 -0600What price did you get on Labour to win in 1992? 1992 I would guess Labour were favourites but not nailed on. 1997 they were absolutely nailed on, the tories were in total disarray. I have never known a PM be less popular than Major was in the midhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543402709#543402709What price did you get on Labour to win in 1992? 1992 I would guess Labour were favourites but not nailed on. 1997 they were absolutely nailed on, the tories were in total disarray. I have never known a PM be less popular than Major was in the midTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:59:20 -0600Not taking us into an illegal war which killed hundreds of thousands? Not claiming to have ended boom and bust while presiding over the biggest boom followed by the biggest bust in nearly a century? Not enacting a Human Rights Act whilst simultaneoushttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543402447#543402447Not taking us into an illegal war which killed hundreds of thousands? Not claiming to have ended boom and bust while presiding over the biggest boom followed by the biggest bust in nearly a century? Not enacting a Human Rights Act whilst simultaneousTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:46:35 -0600Rob, I don't think you were old enough to vote in 1992. If there was ever a time that Labour "were bound to get in anyway", that was the one. And they didn't. And the reason was Kinnock: the man, the policies and that bloody wife of his. Opinion pollhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543402311#543402311Rob, I don't think you were old enough to vote in 1992. If there was ever a time that Labour "were bound to get in anyway", that was the one. And they didn't. And the reason was Kinnock: the man, the policies and that bloody wife of his. Opinion pollTue, 03 Feb 2015 10:39:42 -0600I have to respectfully disagree screaming. Winning 3 elections doesn't make him a great PM, it makes him a long running PM. He was an awful PM who didn't have to change the Labour Party to get in as they were bound to get in anyway. "New Labour" whttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543401353#543401353I have to respectfully disagree screaming. Winning 3 elections doesn't make him a great PM, it makes him a long running PM. He was an awful PM who didn't have to change the Labour Party to get in as they were bound to get in anyway. "New Labour" wTue, 03 Feb 2015 09:26:59 -0600I’ve often said that to make stuff popular it has to be sh1t. One Direction, Take That, McDonalds, Coronation Street, X Factor, Hollywood Action Films, The Daily Mail etchttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543401303#543401303I’ve often said that to make stuff popular it has to be sh1t. One Direction, Take That, McDonalds, Coronation Street, X Factor, Hollywood Action Films, The Daily Mail etcTue, 03 Feb 2015 09:23:29 -0600One Direction and Elgar aren't contesting elections. A Prime minister is.A potential Prime Minister has just one initial task: to be popular and get elected. After that he has to perform well enough under 5 years of public scrutiny to retain that pophttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543401227#543401227One Direction and Elgar aren't contesting elections. A Prime minister is.A potential Prime Minister has just one initial task: to be popular and get elected. After that he has to perform well enough under 5 years of public scrutiny to retain that popTue, 03 Feb 2015 09:19:46 -0600Horseshiit. At least 60% of the population are blithering idiots. Popularity is usually a sign of mediocrity. One Direction versus Elgar? No contest. One Direction by first round KO according to popularity. I rest my case.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543401079#543401079Horseshiit. At least 60% of the population are blithering idiots. Popularity is usually a sign of mediocrity. One Direction versus Elgar? No contest. One Direction by first round KO according to popularity. I rest my case.Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:09:13 -0600Re T Blair:rob_dylan: People either didn't vote for him, or they did vote for him and feel let down.No. They did vote for him and they didn't feel let down. They voted him back into office again and again. Eeternaloptimist: Popularity isn't any measuhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30431155/churchill-was-greatest-pm---no-i-dont-think-so-attlee-was?post_id=543400749#543400749Re T Blair:rob_dylan: People either didn't vote for him, or they did vote for him and feel let down.No. They did vote for him and they didn't feel let down. They voted him back into office again and again. Eeternaloptimist: Popularity isn't any measuTue, 03 Feb 2015 08:42:56 -0600