New Posts For Thread: DEBATE:Should nurses train to degree level?https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-levelSENT:12-Nov-2009 11:55COMMENT:All we'll get is people with Nursing Studies "degrees", sold by "universities" at the bottom of the league table, the result being people who are unable, in the words of a quaified nurse of long standing, to put a plasteMy son's G/F is doing a degree in nursing,a large part of which involves being on placement in different wards,so far she has been in surgical,medical & heart wards each for 6 week stints working the same hours as a nurse and she is only in her 2nd yhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417112766#417112766My son's G/F is doing a degree in nursing,a large part of which involves being on placement in different wards,so far she has been in surgical,medical & heart wards each for 6 week stints working the same hours as a nurse and she is only in her 2nd yWed, 18 Nov 2009 16:39:00 -0600I bet they can use caps lock though?I gave up reading that tbh, but I think it alludes to what I was saying above. The answer is degree sponsored nurses studying part time alongside working practice, and grades of nurses open to degree and non degrehttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417111570#417111570I bet they can use caps lock though?I gave up reading that tbh, but I think it alludes to what I was saying above. The answer is degree sponsored nurses studying part time alongside working practice, and grades of nurses open to degree and non degreWed, 18 Nov 2009 15:47:02 -0600AOH - AND I WOULD MAKE AN AWFUL NURSE....https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417111210#417111210AOH - AND I WOULD MAKE AN AWFUL NURSE....Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:39:09 -0600MY WIFE WAS A NHS SISTER - RECENTLY RETIRED EARLY - THROUGH CHOICE I MIGHT ADD AS SHE JOINED ME IN THIS FULL TIME ROLE :) - IN THE PAST 5 YEARS SHE SAW AN INCREASE IN DANGEROUS DEGREE QUALIFIED NURSES - PARTICULARLY DEGREE QUALIFIED NURSES.I AM Nhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417111034#417111034MY WIFE WAS A NHS SISTER - RECENTLY RETIRED EARLY - THROUGH CHOICE I MIGHT ADD AS SHE JOINED ME IN THIS FULL TIME ROLE :) - IN THE PAST 5 YEARS SHE SAW AN INCREASE IN DANGEROUS DEGREE QUALIFIED NURSES - PARTICULARLY DEGREE QUALIFIED NURSES.I AM NWed, 18 Nov 2009 15:33:39 -0600TIG - The NHS's biggest problem today is the historic culture that it has. Many staff consider it a right to be there, many staff are too busy looking out for themselves rather than providing a service. Many staff do not see the patient as a custhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417111010#417111010TIG - The NHS's biggest problem today is the historic culture that it has. Many staff consider it a right to be there, many staff are too busy looking out for themselves rather than providing a service. Many staff do not see the patient as a custWed, 18 Nov 2009 15:24:19 -0600On the upside it would go a long way to breaking the NHS public service culture which is the root of a lot of problems imo.How do you mean jim?https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417110982#417110982On the upside it would go a long way to breaking the NHS public service culture which is the root of a lot of problems imo.How do you mean jim?Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:49:54 -0600My guess is that this is a move to bring fees/grants etc in line with regular students and is for that reason flawed.Personally I'd say you should be able to do nursing with on the job NVQ training, and more senior posts require further education, whhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417110958#417110958My guess is that this is a move to bring fees/grants etc in line with regular students and is for that reason flawed.Personally I'd say you should be able to do nursing with on the job NVQ training, and more senior posts require further education, whWed, 18 Nov 2009 14:39:35 -0600Nurses leaders want nurses to be as respected and as renumerated as doctors.Won't happen coz they are generally dense.https://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417110954#417110954Nurses leaders want nurses to be as respected and as renumerated as doctors.Won't happen coz they are generally dense.Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:20:43 -0600Im not sure if this is entirely true. My dad left school when he was 15, never had any qualifications,worked in the police till his mid 40's, then took up nursing when he turned 48.He completed a diploma in nursing which involved in depth courseworkhttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417110950#417110950Im not sure if this is entirely true. My dad left school when he was 15, never had any qualifications,worked in the police till his mid 40's, then took up nursing when he turned 48.He completed a diploma in nursing which involved in depth courseworkWed, 18 Nov 2009 13:56:32 -0600all that's happening is that a new role is being created and what used to be done by nurses, i.e. actually tending and caring for sick people will be devolved to people with a different job titlehttps://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/23406314/debateshould-nurses-train-to-degree-level?post_id=417110946#417110946all that's happening is that a new role is being created and what used to be done by nurses, i.e. actually tending and caring for sick people will be devolved to people with a different job titleWed, 18 Nov 2009 13:45:41 -0600