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Alan King outwitted by Mullins

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By:
strontium
When: 31 Mar 23 10:12
I think by any reasonable measure, 6 wins out of 11 is excellent for a horse racing mainly at Grade 1 and 2 level.
By:
penzance
When: 31 Mar 23 10:51
Just boils down to an Irish v English agenda.
Fck all to do with the horse.
By:
irishone
When: 31 Mar 23 13:26
Not at all penzance, I am sure there are just as many Irish trainers just as bad

the difference is when thet get a good one....

marine national and the bumper winner are good examples this year , both well backed and up for it on the day


Its refreshing that Mr King came out and told the truth though.....
considering over there the trainers seem to always be scared about the media
and the image their stable promotes on the media  to the punters.
over here the trainers I know couldn't give two fecks about the media or the punters !
By:
penzance
When: 31 Mar 23 14:28
Bad trainers don't win the Stayers Hdle & then win the Arkle
with the same horse the next year.
By:
irishone
When: 31 Mar 23 15:42
good few years ago though wasnt it ?


did he have any festival winners in between
By:
strontium
When: 31 Mar 23 15:59
I belive he had 10 in between (he's trained 16 in total, including the winners of all four freature races apart from the Gold Cup). I think that total puts him 11th among all current trainers.
By:
irishone
When: 31 Mar 23 16:35
7 year drought .....7 years is a long time in horseracing.


Skelton made me laugh. He reckons top class horses will only run one or two races at their peak ability each season, so they have to choose targets very carefully.

Basically they are scared of running them if they aint going to win.

Irish trainers will run them out the back of fields , in unfavourable going , and when they are unfit.... mainly to get the rating down but often to train the horse on course rather than home gallops.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 01 Apr 23 06:40
I think most trainers follow that line of thought these days.

Mullins will only run his horses 3 or 4 times a season.
By:
irishone
When: 01 Apr 23 10:47
for mullins it depends how old they are and how they do
when you are the champion trainer with his record
you dont give stablesp room to dodge pots
He only has to give them 3\4 runs to suss them
its a production line..... not an average Irish trainer
By:
strontium
When: 01 Apr 23 12:01
Mullins is the master of getting his horses to peak on the day that counts, which is normally at Cheltenham or Punchestown. They don't need to be at their peak to win many of the races they run in, and he is happy to use others, even Grade 1s, as a prep race (which is why he's won the Irish Gold Cup so many times, but hardly ever wins the Lexus Chase). He is also brilliant at developing novices by running them in races outside their optimal conditions. Don't mistake any of that for having the horses at their peak more than once or twice a season.
By:
irishone
When: 02 Apr 23 09:50
Sad thing is
he was bemoaned on here originally for continually winning the bumper at the festival
....then he started winning other races
then over the years people came on this forum and stated thats why mullins doesnt win the championship races
....then he won them as well
then it was ...thats why he never wins the queen mother
.....then came energumene
now its he cant win specific races elsewhere
mullins is a "GOAT" as they now put it ..... and that was once Tom Dreaper
that is how good this fellah is
be thankful we witnessed him
By:
strontium
When: 02 Apr 23 10:55
I am, and I agree. I think he's the best trainer in the world. His ability to adapt and improve is outstanding. It's rare, and a mark of true greatness.

But even he targets races he wants to win and manages his resources, because even he is constrained by what the animals can physically do. The fact that he's got 300 high quality horses to spread round helps, and disguises that somewhat.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 02 Apr 23 21:24
Impossible to knock Mullins.

He is a high class trainer.

And like Henderson, Nicholls and De Bromhead only runs his top horses 3 or 4 times a year.

Perhaps Skelton is correct after all.
By:
irishone
When: 02 Apr 23 21:39
Mullins has routes, and calls the horses by their routes, most of the routes end up at Cheltenham. The routes are mainly based upon top grade Irish races over different distances.
Leopardstown at Christmas, Dublin festival, Gowran theystes meeting are such examples.

Some however end up elsewhere, particularly his good ground
summer horses,they tend to go Aintree, Punchestown, Galway, Killarney.
By:
The Sawyer
When: 03 Apr 23 07:37
irish

you've missed Royal Ascot out of your good ground list
By:
irishone
When: 04 Apr 23 22:13
they would have to be good to go there wouldnt they ?
aidan obrien runs that show
By:
irishone
When: 04 Apr 23 22:37
i think you are right though
he definitely routes the cesarawich at Newmarket if he thinks he has one
By:
strontium
When: 05 Apr 23 11:48
There are a couple of marathon flat races at Royal Ascot (2 m 4 f/2 m 5f) where Mullins has done very well. As you say, he often has a good one in the Ces as well (and why not at £120k+ to the winner - better than winning a bumper).
By:
irishone
When: 05 Apr 23 11:54
Brown jack stakes ennit ? Used to be longest flat race in u k calender
By:
strontium
When: 05 Apr 23 12:09
It's the Queen Alexandra Stakes (2 m 5 1/2 f). Yes, it's our longest flat race. According to Wikipedia, it's the longest flat race run in the world. It's the last race of Royal Ascot.
By:
duffy
When: 05 Apr 23 15:36
Mullins and Elliott have won 6 of the last 11 runnings of the Queen Alexandra, Mullins the last twice with Stratum.
By:
strontium
When: 05 Apr 23 18:05
Before that, in 2020, it was won by our friend.... Alan King!
By:
irishone
When: 07 Apr 23 08:45
Laugh
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