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I'm trying to understand what they do differently and, by extension, why others don't/can't follow!
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Report irishone February 28, 2021 9:20 PM GMT
Pity that Boris dont hold his hands up

To his stupidity .....whats he up to now 110,000 deaths ?

Great example of too far up his own backside
Report jimnast February 28, 2021 9:24 PM GMT
it was you who said you dont think he owes anybody an apology !
Report jimnast February 28, 2021 9:25 PM GMT
you hate the english dont you irishone ?
Report irishone February 28, 2021 9:35 PM GMT
No mate , not at all,  I was brought up in England, married in England and have two  English children, so I cant hate them !

Once you live elsewhere. You see the English abroad. Cant generalise but ...... they have an awful reputation .
Report casemoney February 28, 2021 9:47 PM GMT
If that is the respect he is showing for a dead horse . the mind only boggles on what else has been going on , we had the incident where Davy punched a horse Plain

There maybe more to come, the Daily Mail must have been 100 % to go with the story , so what else have they got ,is the question Plain

Absolute madness and has put a large stain on the sport that will certainly be exploited  to

the full by the Animal Rights Mob Sad
Report casemoney February 28, 2021 9:52 PM GMT
Irish going on About Boris and a few english pishheads Abroad , U cannot make it up WTF has that got to do with GE ?
Report casemoney February 28, 2021 9:58 PM GMT
Plenty of Irish Folks knocking him on Twitter IRISH , not sure nationality comes into it TBH
Report irishone February 28, 2021 10:24 PM GMT
Hope you are well case
I was asked if I hated the English case
Thats how we went off topic
You know that aint true !
As for Gordon he was out of order
He has held his hands up and apologised


Do you really want to see the end of his career over this ?
There would be a good few English trainers that would welcome it
Report casemoney February 28, 2021 10:38 PM GMT
He will train by Proxy regardless  , The Authorities will need to take some action .. 

As bad as the one pic is lets hope there is no more to come , The Mail had to be 100%

before they went with the story . Has to be more than a picture involved , Who sent them

the photo I wonder ?
Report GAZO February 28, 2021 10:39 PM GMT
if the photo is real it should and will be the end of his career,it would be indefencable and if not banned owners would have to leave because it wouldnt be good for them to be associated with him whatever they think
Report Andymca February 28, 2021 10:39 PM GMT
The IHRB's official investigation remains a work in progress, but, via a statement on Sunday night, Elliott has sought to provide some background to the sequence of events that led to the picture.

The statement read: "I would like to address the speculation and rumours that have been rife since an old photo of me began circulating on social media yesterday afternoon.

"Firstly, I apologise profoundly for any offence that this photo has caused and can categorically state that the welfare of each and every horse under my care is paramount and has been central to the success that we have enjoyed here at Cullentra.

"The photo in question was taken some time ago and occurred after a horse had died of an apparent heart attack on the gallops. I appreciate that an initial viewing of this photo suggests it is a callous and staged photo but nothing could be further from the truth.

"At what was a sad time, which it is when any horse under my care passes away, my initial reaction was to get the body removed from where it was positioned.

"I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking,  I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished.

"Such background information may seem trivial at this time and will not allay the concerns of many people both within and outside the world of horse racing.

"However, I feel it is important to provide people with some context surrounding this photo. To the racing community, to anyone who has worked with and loves horses and to anyone offended by this image I cannot apologise enough.
Report GAZO February 28, 2021 10:43 PM GMT
sounds like the photo is real from that statement,he is gone
Report duffy February 28, 2021 10:49 PM GMT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REpNTi-9oRQ
Report duffy February 28, 2021 10:52 PM GMT
Without thinking I sat downCry

Hearing a shout from one of my team I gestured to waitCry

Is that the best they could come up withCry
Report jedi sophie February 28, 2021 11:03 PM GMT
Not particularly no.

I admired his accomplishments, no more.
Report Facts March 1, 2021 1:43 AM GMT
Oh, how the mighty fall Sad

I initially thought the photo was a photo shopped fake.
Now with Elliot's statement we find its real.
Can't see how he gets out of this with his reputation intact.
In today's society with news and social media 24/7/365, he will be pilloried.
It could be his position is now untenable.
Report casemoney March 1, 2021 1:51 AM GMT
I am telling you he has Made a Joke regarding himself being over weight and the horse has collapsed and Died , A sick Joke , we don't know how he was acting either side of the Pic
as for the Shyte he is now going on about below ,The hole is getting deeper ..

We have to understand he will have lost many a horse over the years who knows how many he
had lost in the months running up to this Maybe it was the final straw A horse collapsing on the gallops  ..

I am not condoning his actions but I doubt very much everything is as it appears  , and

it certainly is not what he is saying now , a sad chapter for horse racing , he needs

to make an appearance and say what really happened .
Report casemoney March 1, 2021 2:08 AM GMT
One of the surprises in the election is that President Donald Trump actually improved his standing with Black voters over four years ago.

And he may have done even better than 2 percentage points. If you compare the CCES numbers to the results of 2020 exit polls by Edison Research, Trump actually improved by 4 percentage points.

Explain that , why are these people Voting for Mr Trump an Accused Racist on these forums .
Report casemoney March 1, 2021 2:10 AM GMT
Not sure how that happened I was on the Politics forum Apoligies Sad
Report irishone March 1, 2021 6:04 AM GMT
Everyday on dual carriageways , in Greece,you see geysers stop in the inside lane , get out their vehicles and have a pi55 on the side of the road.

My reaction ! " Pond Life " , " scum " , the same reaction as many above.

Thats Greece.

Who am I to criticise ?

What right do I have to judge something going on in another country using my understanding, my education, the morals and ethics that have been imposed upon me by another country ?

That leads you on  to imperialism, colonialism whatever you want to call it.

Gordon Elliot sat on a dead horse, and apologised for being stupid

The gutter press of the UK who are not worth Shy!e.

"Ye without sin cast the first stone"
Report irishone March 1, 2021 6:18 AM GMT
Amazing that Willie refused to wear a facemask
Could be going around causing deaths to humans by transmitting the virus
Yet the Uk press chooses to castigate a trainer for sitting on a Dead
Yes a Dead horse .....

meanwhile Boris the one voted for in a UK landslide ...has got away  with 110,000 HUMAN deaths.
FFS ....get yer priorities right ....
The irony of it !
Report Facts March 1, 2021 7:19 AM GMT
The fact that the horse is dead is the whole sordid point !!
If the horse was alive and just lying down, it wouldn't be a problem.
It's making fun of a dead horse and showing utter disrespect that shows Elliot up in a bad light.
Report Hibore March 1, 2021 7:44 AM GMT
A sick picture, sick individual and sick poster defending him. And I’m sure 99.99% on here agree.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:51 AM GMT
Some judgements there...

The  "Whole" ?  ..... "Utter disrespect"...."Bad light"

Who are you to make these judgements ?
Entitled to your opinion on here yes
But its not worth anything.

Same as the UK gutter press.

They aint worried about dead horses or irish trainers or horse racing

They just want to create news to keep themselves in a job
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:57 AM GMT
The use of the term fun is interesting.

The picture was actually taken in jest.

It brings monty pythons dead parrot sketch to mind .
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 8:07 AM GMT
gordon elliot and his pals created the news
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:10 AM GMT
you keep having a go at the uk how is it over there ?
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:12 AM GMT
Not at all

The lads created what they deemed a fun picture

The media created the news for everyone else to see
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:14 AM GMT
Fantastic jim, awful strict lockdown but weather is good, beach is good , yeah good place to be isolating!
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 8:14 AM GMT
no picture no news
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:18 AM GMT
those firing fireworks in the face of police officers over the weekend in dublin city did not seem to be isolating ,after the planned march against the vaccine and restrictions,
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:18 AM GMT
The media didnt have to pick upon it

We have all created loads of pictures

How many of yours went to press ?

Just because there is a picture doesnt make it news.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:20 AM GMT
Dont think we can deny anyone the right to protest
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:23 AM GMT
Your press
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 8:25 AM GMT
nobody would be interested in me but if i was filmed kicking a dead dog down the street then they would
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:26 AM GMT
I would be interested in a kind of lets laugh at a dead parrot sketch in monty python
Report GAZO March 1, 2021 8:31 AM GMT
its a sketch  and then people laugh even though in bad taste,use real dead parrots and nobody laughs and they get slaughtered
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:33 AM GMT
right to protest ?

you said strict lock down this was a mob armed with missiles breaking covid restriction intent on harming people ,the same mob will be in cork next weekend are you ok with this sort of thing ?
Report Andymca March 1, 2021 9:04 AM GMT
Autocue it is statements like calling us cheap labour than nurtures the tension
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 9:07 AM GMT
agree andy
Report Hibore March 1, 2021 9:26 AM GMT
The comment was wrong. But you don’t comment when Irish is being blatantly racist on here.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 9:43 AM GMT
betfair have already terminated his contract
Report irishone March 1, 2021 10:12 AM GMT
Dont think he will be too worried about that.

Anytime you want to put up my blatantly racist posts hibore you do so.

Prepare for the backlash.
Report Hibore March 1, 2021 10:33 AM GMT
I don’t need to put any old ones up you have done yourself proud over the last 24 hours.

Notice you have left the main thread on Horse Racing as well.

Slicer 01 Mar 21 09:54 Joined: 10 Jan 03

Just returned from a delightful walk in the park watching nature at its finest & caught up with more very inciteful & interesting posts. However there is one poster & just one poster on the last few pages who makes me believe in re incarnation because no one could develop such stupidity in just one lifetime! I'll leave it to all you sensible guys & gals to work out to whom I'm referring.

Guess who this is ? Clue has “one” in his name.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 10:39 AM GMT
hibore

look at his 1051 reply yesterday,then ask yourself why do you continue to reply to somebody like this.

i should also ask myself the same question
Report Hibore March 1, 2021 10:43 AM GMT
100% correct.

Problem is the Cheltenham forum is going down the pan because of posters like him.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 10:47 AM GMT
it will be fine
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 10:48 AM GMT
i get frustrated with impossible but i very much doubt he is a bad human.
Report penzance March 1, 2021 11:15 AM GMT
the poster impossible123 is very enthusiastic
about racing,no malice in him whatsoever.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 11:23 AM GMT
Very well put

However he still sends me daft
Report Hibore March 1, 2021 11:28 AM GMT
https://youtu.be/kQH23aTw-do

Fitzgerald interview.
Report penzance March 1, 2021 11:32 AM GMT
jimnast,you're not the only
one Laugh
Report casemoney March 1, 2021 2:14 PM GMT
He thought it was funny at that Moment, big error ,Squirming now and adding stupid other reasons only making things worse .. 

As stated elsewhere there could be more to come .
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 2:53 PM GMT
has envoi allen arrived at knockeen yet ?
Report duffy March 1, 2021 3:19 PM GMT
irish,

I must say that the irony has not been lost on me that someone so patriotic as yourself turns out had it on his toes to GreeceGrin

Shirley O' ValentineGrin
Report irishone March 1, 2021 5:56 PM GMT
Laugh. Brilliant duffy

Afraid we got caught in lockdown November.
Report duffy March 1, 2021 5:59 PM GMT
Wink
Report irishone March 1, 2021 6:04 PM GMT
Problem is the Cheltenham forum is going down the pan because of posters like him.

No.   Hibore the reason is that you are a liar .

Not only do you lie about other people you also lie about your betting.

You lied about me backing notebook
You lied about yourself backing Shiskin

....and now you lied about betting Champ

Hibore 31 Mar 20 23:28.   Champ 14/1 - 4 pt EW
Hibore20 Apr 20 18:37.    Champ 14/1 - 7 pt EW
I’ve increased both bets slightly and biggest ante post bets I’ve every put on so far out.Anyone else had any hefty bets in the Gold Cup so far out  ?

Hefty bets indeed .....Until .....

Hibore21 Feb 21 20:15.
Fairly happy with my position now all the trials have been run although my selections have flip flopped in the betting. Champ 14/1 - 4 pt EW

So you didnt do the hefty bets did you ?
Report irishone March 1, 2021 6:32 PM GMT
As for anyone else.

Gordon Elliot has apologised and said sorry.
Clearly it was a joke within the context that the photograph was taken.

If you have never done anything stupid then go ahead casting your stones.

Gordon Elliot just might be the victim here.
Four years is too long a time.
If and when the whole story comes out dont be surprised, I dont think we should assume anything
I dont believe anyone's posts on here
and I wouldn't discuss it to any depth without confirmation.

How many careers did the News of the World ruin before they got caught ?
Report Mister Westsound March 1, 2021 7:24 PM GMT
BREAKING: The British Horseracing Authority will not allow Gordon Elliott to saddle runners in Britain while the Irish authorities investigate an image that appeared on social media over the weekend https://t.co/wN4ciFHwfa
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:29 PM GMT
Its not good
For the public morale of a country with the fifth worst covid record in the world

To take another hiding at Cheltenham.....
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 7:32 PM GMT
very sad day, on reflection having thought about this the last 48 hours i hope he survives this let his owners decide his future.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 7:34 PM GMT
irishone what has covid got to do with this ?
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:46 PM GMT
Cheltenham is seen as an annual battle between the english and the irish in the english press....

You have to remember whenever a government wants to reunite, raise morale, change focus , etc
It points itself at war or sport....

Last year loss figures of ten billion sterling were banded about if covid cancelled Cheltenham.

Cheltenham is very very important to the UK Government.
They were heavily criticised for letting it go ahead.

Besides the income there is in this instance public morale.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 7:54 PM GMT
It is a sad day for horse racing jimnast
I completely agree with you
Because imvho the Irish h r b wont be manipulated
By the bha
Report Mister Westsound March 1, 2021 7:57 PM GMT
This has nothing to do with the UKG much as I dislike them, that's a ridiculous stance. A ban is massively unfair on his staff and owners but images like this simply cannot be tolerated. I suspect the Irish authorities are now compelled to act quickly so I can easily see them banning Elliot then he will appeal and be free to run horses pending that appeal with the ban upheld and implemented post the big festival meetings.
Report Quevega06 March 1, 2021 8:00 PM GMT
some of the **** being talked on Twitter in regards to this, the BHA imo are very foolish to come out with the threatening statement... It could easily go the other way and Irish trainers in its entirety pulling the plug on there horses !!!
Report Quevega06 March 1, 2021 8:01 PM GMT
Trying to force the hand of the Irish is a disgrace
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:05 PM GMT
We didnt chuck 800 years of British rule out of the window for nothing.

The BHA wont manipulate the IHRB

Who the feck do they think they are ?
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:08 PM GMT
amazing how many people get themselves in complete sh.t due to women.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:10 PM GMT
Was it herself who took the photo Jim ?
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:17 PM GMT
no idea who took the picture irishone.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:19 PM GMT
you may find a member of another irish training family involved in the reason for it finding its way online.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:19 PM GMT
Whoever takes over has a major problem with the rule in uk.

A Person must not, without the prior written permission of the BHA, associate with the following in connection with horseracing in Great Britain:

a Disqualified Person; or

a person subject to an Exclusion Order.

So it definitely wont be family
Report irishone March 1, 2021 8:25 PM GMT
Whats the b h a authority anyway their rules specifically say GREAT BRITAIN

A Person must not engage in conduct which the BHA considers is prejudicial to the integrity, proper conduct or good reputation of horseracing in Great Britain.

The pic was taken in Ireland. So its outside the U K

Godolphin must be sh1tting themselves .......NOT
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:47 PM GMT
the horse was morgan
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff March 1, 2021 8:47 PM GMT
I think the point has drifted off piste.
The fact is the picture was showing wrong doing. Whether it was in jest or something else, it was not right. I can't actually believe that Elliot would have let the picture be taken to be honest, and if it was against his wishes, why he allowed someone to walk away with that without reporting the incident to the Irish Horseracing Board immediately after, knowing the potential damage it could do......surely he would have known it would surface at some point. 
Someone of Elliot's status in the sport, would understand what he does will be scrutinised....its the same for all elite sports.  His saving grace here, is that it was not corruption related (nobbling a horse or using performance enhancing drugs etc).  This was purely a lack of good judgement...albeit a serious one.
Now that it is out there, the authorities can't ignore it. They need to act to protect the integrity of the sport so potential owners and sponsors don't desert the sport.  This is all about protecting that.
It has nothing to do with covid, nothing to do with rivalry, nothing to do with treating any particular trainer differently......it's about protecting the longevity of a sport we love.
I feel so sorry for the stable staff, owners etc who may now have to change everything or they will not get to be part of some fantastic festivals and days out.
We would all want to see the decent horses from Ireland to come over, that's the life blood of the festival. (and yes, I have back several of Elliot's horses)

I would ask though.....

.....if the picture was taken some years ago, why has it surfaced now?....and just before Cheltenham at that....just saying.
Report Bentring March 1, 2021 8:49 PM GMT
Let's see what outcome the IHRB come up with.
Until then the BHA should let that jurisdiction deal with their own affairs before getting involved.
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 8:54 PM GMT
ss

to answer your question a standing p.ick has no conscience.
Report saxon farm March 1, 2021 8:59 PM GMT
jimnast

You seem to have knowledge of information that is not in the public domain?
Report jedi sophie March 1, 2021 9:04 PM GMT
Morgan being the horse is out there...
Report saxon farm March 1, 2021 9:06 PM GMT
^
Not that Jedi.  The earlier mildly cryptic posts.
Report jedi sophie March 1, 2021 9:11 PM GMT
Yeah,fishing I think...
Report jedi sophie March 1, 2021 9:12 PM GMT
No doubt more to come on this one, and maybe others now theres a market.....
Report irishone March 1, 2021 9:14 PM GMT
Sorry shakespeare I find your analysis very one sided.

Firstly who decided sitting on a dead horse was wrong ?

There is no law against that. Dead horses are not protected by law as far as I know.

Secondly you assume elliot knew the picture  being taken, why is that ?

If the BHA are so hell bent on protecting the integrity of their bit of the sport in the UK when are they going to ban sheikh mo and his godolphin operation ?

Lastly the incident happened in Ireland , so why are the BHA now manipulating the IHRB to sort the issue quickly. Who do they think they are ! ?

Your last "just saying" comment more than suggests the timing is very significant. Two weeks before Cheltenham , highly predicted by myself, you couldnt write it.....unless you look at the u k press for the period leading up to the last two festivals.
Report irishone March 1, 2021 9:17 PM GMT
Bentring01 Mar 21 21:49Joined: 25 Dec 20 | Topic/replies: 118 | Blogger: Bentring's blog
Let's see what outcome the IHRB come up with.
Until then the BHA should let that jurisdiction deal with their own affairs before getting involved.


Agree 100%
Report jimnast March 1, 2021 9:18 PM GMT
as jedi says just fishing
Report saxon farm March 1, 2021 9:19 PM GMT
Thanks jimnast.
Report Bentring March 1, 2021 9:43 PM GMT
Irish one can I just say I don't condone what Elliott has done or not done I will not be the judge of that.
But you're country has its own affairs to deal with this and that's how it should be.
Report Shakepseare's Sheriff March 1, 2021 10:36 PM GMT
@irishone

I thought you might.
I never said anything about any laws. My point is that it is about ethics and integrity. Elliot himself has said it was wrong, not me, him...in his own words (and that he is profoundly sorry I might add).  Although I agree with that analysis, you clearly might disagree with Elliot and many others that think it is wrong, and you are very entitled to that opinion.
Our opinions don't really matter...it will be the authorities opinions that matter (and that of the owners/sponsors etc).

IRHB have yet to make decision on whether they think it is wrong.  The BHA have already made their own interim decision tp protect interests at their end, they have done nothing to say he cannot train, or run horses anywhere else, just not in the UK until it is sorted. They are not saying the horses can't come over, just that they Elliot can't bring them. I think that is balanced, as I think my post was balanced.

I didn't assume Elliot knew the picture was being taken....read it again...I actually stated "and if it was against his wishes"

In relation to the comments about banning sheikh mo and his godolphin operation....i have no idea. Possibly agree with you, but it may be down to the current issues not involving his racing operation, or that there has been no admission etc.  But i guess it can be used to deflect away from this. 

Lastly the comment about the incident happened in Ireland....I partly agree with you.  But i think they are simply protecting their interest and that of the UK racing, and that's why they have not gone as far as banning the horses Elliot is involved in....although I think they could have left that until after the IHRB's investigation, i simply do not know what their procedures in something like this are....as their website site states, they have been contacted by many in the sport.  I further suppose they were asked to respond.
I'm not falling out with anyone on here, just joining the conversation.
Report duffy March 2, 2021 3:42 AM GMT
irishone 01 Mar 21 22:14 

Secondly you assume elliot knew the picture  being taken, why is that ?

LaughLaugh

What, you mean besides the dopey great grin on his face and the peace sign looking straight at the camera?
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:04 AM GMT
D uffy I have got thousands of pictures of myself with a dopey grin on my face ....who hasn't ?
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:05 AM GMT
D uffy I have got thousands of pictures of myself with a dopey grin on my face ....who hasn't ?
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:06 AM GMT
We dont know the context of that picture !
Report jimnast March 2, 2021 7:07 AM GMT
irishone how do you feel about your country sharing the 2030 world cup with the uk something boris is up for ?
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:25 AM GMT
I dont know which world cup you are talking about. We used to send our best horses over so that the bha could say Cheltenham was the best in the World, it aint. Typical of Boris if it is the Hurling or GAA football world cup. All about power and control. It woukd be.culturally significant if it was the morris dancing world cup, lot of irish are naturals after a few pints of the black stuff. Dont think we could handle the conkers world cup or the bog snorkling world cup to be honest. The shove ha'penny not our.cup of tea since decimilisation but you never know !
Report jimnast March 2, 2021 7:29 AM GMT
well that cured me
Report irishone March 2, 2021 7:31 AM GMT
Laugh
Report Cash Is King March 2, 2021 10:42 AM GMT
No idea why this thread has become a stream of consciousness thread. There’s a thread on the main horse racing forum where posters can vent their feelings about Elliott and “that” photo.

The question posed by the OP seems ironic in light of recent events.
Report jimnast March 2, 2021 1:25 PM GMT
i see envoi allen has arrived at knockeen
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