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FOYLESWAR
02 Apr 20 00:32
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cant do the big  write ups but heres the gist of it  ,epatante very good winner and must go close again ,abracadabras went close in the supreme and around 10s will be popular. a bit early but one at a price who has any amount of improvement and showed a telling turn of foot to  sprint away and power up the hill to win  the county is jps saint roi . trained by willie mullins .only had the 4 runs 2 wins and 1 place .well backed in the county he was to my eye a very impressive winner , has a fair bit  to find on the ratings but a course winner and a decent price   around 25s .nice to have an early pop  and get opinions rolling . fire away
selection  champion hurdle ....saint roi 25/1 paddys  .......1 point win  .................glaktcyfa
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Report irishone April 2, 2020 8:42 AM BST
Gordon has abracadabra as just behind his best one envoi ...... An indication of how good he thinks the horse is.
Report Hanx April 2, 2020 9:36 AM BST
Backed him for the Champion Hurdle the weekend after the Festival, for pretty much the reasons you outlined
Report FOYLESWAR April 2, 2020 9:48 AM BST
yes abra would have a decent chance obviously as the supreme looked a good race , but the step up form handicapping to graded is not insurmountable look at the progress epatante made from h,caps to champ winner . this one looked like he had a lot more in the tank and could be a lot better than we think .he also took the buffalo girls route for much of the race ,it was an impressive performance in my opinion. and the price is very fair imo.
Report irishone April 2, 2020 9:49 AM BST
Envoi will probably contest this next year , particularly if ground is soft.
Report irishone April 2, 2020 9:57 AM BST
Only horse that i can think of that won the countyhurdle and the champion hurdle was blowing wind , buthe won the champion first. Wicklow won the irish version after winning the county hurdle.i may be miles out but from a depleting memory I think those odds might be a bit short
Report GAZO April 2, 2020 10:00 AM BST
blowing wind ?
Report irishone April 2, 2020 10:02 AM BST
Rooster booster ?
Report GAZO April 2, 2020 10:04 AM BST
yes but he won the county first
Report irishone April 2, 2020 10:04 AM BST
Im struggling to name one as youcan see ...im sure someone will come on with one but its got to be over twenty years ago hasnt it ?
Report GAZO April 2, 2020 10:14 AM BST
arctic fire ran 2nd in county then 2nd in champion,also a mullins horse
Report irishone April 2, 2020 10:18 AM BST
Yeah that blowing wind, was the colours coming up the hill, make a stand had the same colours and thats where the memory was doing me!
Report irishone April 2, 2020 10:20 AM BST
Fair play to foyles .....its due up again anyway !
Report FOYLESWAR April 2, 2020 10:49 AM BST
rated 137 the same  mark as  epatante at the start of this season and look at how that one ended up , willie said "he is a good horse i said to jp on monday morning we might have one for you  he did a lovely bit of work during the week and i think jp said to me i wont back him in case i stop him. he showed us what he did in the week ,they all arrived at the 2nd last with a chance and you wouldnt have known which one to back . he is better than that, though he was nicely handicapped . i thought we had enough ammuntion for the supreme but there you are .

anyway think this one could be  a lot better than that and will be topping up .
Report Hibore April 2, 2020 5:42 PM BST
Interesting Foyles, not a horse I had picked out as a future Champion winner at the time but can see your logic. JP likes to have runners in the Champion and with Buveur Dair getting a bit long in the tooth there isn’t many other contenders in his colours apart from Epatante. If Goshen swerves jumping next season and Envoi goes chasing then you will have a good bet going.
Report penzance April 2, 2020 6:08 PM BST
on a line through Aramon got to find about 2 stone.
GL though.
Report foxy April 2, 2020 6:25 PM BST
At this stage abracadabras at around 10/1 looks overpriced I thought he should have won the supreme novice .
Report penzance April 2, 2020 6:27 PM BST
especially with Shishkin going novice chasing,I've
read.
If he get's there the one to beat for me.
Report FOYLESWAR April 2, 2020 6:29 PM BST
yep as said earlier a lot to find but only had 3 hurdle races and 1 bumper open to any amount of improvement and that county win was a cracking run for one with such limited exp ,it looked a fast run affair , and this one showed a very smart turn of foot after the last, he flew up the hill .well worth another watch .
Report irishone April 2, 2020 7:44 PM BST
Was Chantry house the one that kept him out the supreme ?
Report FOYLESWAR April 2, 2020 8:00 PM BST
dont think so think what willie was saying he thought he had enough ammo in asterion and elixir d,ainay was how i read it
Report GAZO April 2, 2020 8:06 PM BST
decent bet for me,mullins nearly got arctic fire from the county to champion hurdle the following year,can't think of another race he will be aimed at unless he goes over fences and he didnt look like a obvious chaser from tv
Report FOYLESWAR April 2, 2020 8:23 PM BST
goshen very unlucky and a freak according to gary moore but not many triumph winners win the champion the next season , and not great value at the price  imo not saying he cant win but difficult . shishkin possibly going fencing sharjah better on good ,honeysuckle and benie may go elsewhere . abracadabras great chance and  around 10s but too short for me at this stage .
Report duffy April 3, 2020 12:41 AM BST
Goshen looks an absolute freak, that said, all that is already factored into his price, Shiskin's price is obviously on the assumption he's going chasing, he'd be a bet if you could get a steer on how he's taking to fences or if the early impression he gives isn't great over fences.

Epatente was a good winner but it was still a poor race but she delivered on her promise but we don't know how much more she has, her price in what has to be a better race doesn't appeal.

Looking down the list the one that offers the best value to me is SALDIER, he goes into next season with better credentials than this year and still with the potential before him, he's injury prone but we know he would have probably beaten the CH winner 2 years back earlier in that season and was impressive first time back this season beating horses who ran prominently in the CH itself 25/1 looks very fair, he's got to be very interesting if he can get a clean run at it.
Report FOYLESWAR April 3, 2020 9:03 AM BST
cant argue with that duffy worse bets than saldier at the prices tbf has course form 5th to farclas a few years back  and he may well have beaten espoir that day in ireland , whatever it would have been close and he is decent value  at the price if he gets there .good luck .
Report Fashion Fever April 4, 2020 7:49 PM BST
goshen looks like he will go backwards to me
Report FOYLESWAR April 4, 2020 8:29 PM BST
saint roi rated 149 after the county a 12 pound rise which was what i roughly expected.
Report FOYLESWAR July 30, 2020 7:21 PM BST
aramon pishes up again off top weight in a galway festival handicap ..........
Report irishone September 29, 2020 2:51 PM BST
Saint roi down to run in tipperary sunday
Report FOYLESWAR October 4, 2020 6:40 PM BST
did it smoothly as his price and the quality of opposition hinted he should ,nice pipe opener........... 12s best price with the books .
Report irishone October 5, 2020 6:47 AM BST
I'm very happy with that. The race conditions suited him very well and it was a big advantage. Noel's horse (Beacon Edge) coming out was a help as well and we'll take all the help we can take at this stage of the season!. He did it nicely but he had a big advantage with the conditions of the race. Mark (Walsh) said he was meeting the last wrong and fiddled it. I think he got a bit tight for room over the third last. I was worried that he was coming off the bridle but Mark said he was just tight for room. Otherwise he was very slick with his jumping and I'm not worried on that front. That's the type of speed he shows all the time at home and his last piece of work before Cheltenham was electric. I thought going there he'd take a lot of beating. The likes of the County Hurdle are hard races to fancy horses in though. He did very well during the summer and is out early purely because this race suited conditions wise. The Morgiana would be on the agenda but that might be throwing him in at the deep end. He's a second season novice and there might be easier options. I think there is a race at Down Royal for second season novices (Grade 2 WKD Hurdle).  W P Mullins
Report FOYLESWAR October 5, 2020 8:05 AM BST
thanks irishone!
Report irishone October 7, 2020 5:14 AM BST
Dont count yer chickens

This from J P

McManus has an exciting young hurdler in Saint Roi, who won the highly-competitive County Handicap Hurdle at the Cheltenham Festival.

The five-year-old, trained by Willie Mullins, made an impressive return to action when winning a Grade Three contest at Tipperary at the weekend.

Saint Roi is likely to run next in the WKD Hurdle at Down Royal at the end of the month.

“He did it nicely the other day. The conditions of the race suited him well,” said Berry.

“I think Willie is thinking of going to the north with him.”
Report irishone October 7, 2020 5:15 AM BST
One of the star rides up for grabs this season will be Epatante, whose main aim will be to hang on to her Champion Hurdle crown.

The Nicky Henderson-trained mare was one of five winners for Geraghty at this year’s Cheltenham Festival.

“Nicky is very happy with her. We don’t know at the minute where she will start off. She has a good few options. We’ll see when she’s ready,” said Berry.

“The Champion Hurdle is definitely the target.”
Report irishone October 8, 2020 8:17 PM BST
Saint Roi (Willie Mullins)

The season is already under way over here in Ireland and I think we may have already seen a potential star.

Saint Roi absolutely sluiced up at Tipperary last week, winning a Grade 3 hurdle by 5½ lengths.

I was so impressed by the way he won the County Hurdle at Cheltenham in March. He travelled like a dream and quickened well to win comfortably.

He’s going to be trained as a Champion Hurdle horse and, from what I’ve seen, he’s got the ability to do it.

If he does, then he’ll be the first horse since Rooster Booster to win both the County Hurdle and the Champion Hurdle, which would be some achievement.
Report irishone October 8, 2020 8:19 PM BST
......katie walsh said that btw
Report FOYLESWAR October 9, 2020 7:49 AM BST
thanks for that irish !  the winter game starting to kick in now,exciting times fingers crossed,.
Report FOYLESWAR October 19, 2020 5:57 PM BST
soz just noticed this beet should have said  1 point each way ^^^^^^^^^all my bets on it are each way .
Report FOYLESWAR October 30, 2020 8:50 PM GMT
abracadabras beaten today by aspire tower after travelling well found little and btn over 4 lengths , could have needed the race badly but still not ideal and out to around 9/1 . saint roi into 2nd fav for champion hurdle.
Report FOYLESWAR November 15, 2020 2:17 PM GMT
race run at a crawl happy with saint roi will be a different ball game in a fast run champion imo
Report geoff m November 15, 2020 2:17 PM GMT
certainly needs to jump better
Report FOYLESWAR November 15, 2020 2:21 PM GMT
sure he will in a fast run champ in march
Report duffy November 15, 2020 2:47 PM GMT
Winner did not jump well, pace was too slow for him and he hit the front way too soon, then tried to pull himself up all the way to the line but was still too good.

Winner was the best horse in the race IMO and if they get the right headgear onto him we might see an even better horse to what we've seen already.

Abacadabras has had a big fan club that does now appear to have deserted him, whereas there has been an over reaction the other way to Saint Roi's win in the county where he was very well handicapped. I just don't quite get the Saint Roi Champion Hurdle leap!!
Report irishone November 16, 2020 6:25 AM GMT
Make no mistake
This was the best in gordons
V the best in willies
Both likely cheltenham winners
Whichever race they go in
Report buddeliea November 16, 2020 6:34 AM GMT
Thats twice now that JTM has finished virtually alongside Abacadabras.
One is 10 the other 25 on oddschecker.
Personally i dont think any of those two or SR will win the CH,but i know which one i would back e/w at the prices.
Report sageform November 16, 2020 8:59 AM GMT
Are you any the wiser as to which of those 3 would win at Cheltenham in March? I would just favour Saint Roi as he was finishing strongly and should relish the hill. I still think that Epatante will win if she turns up in the same form this season but mares being what they are, that can't be guaranteed.
Report paulo47 November 16, 2020 8:59 AM GMT
You do like to think SR will get a better ride .....
Report irishone November 16, 2020 1:55 PM GMT
Willie Mullins retains full faith in Saint Roi despite his odds-on defeat at Punchestown on Sunday.

Mullins was aiming to win the Morgiana Hurdle for a 10th straight year with last season’s County Hurdle hero, but he endured a luckless run.

Having raced keenly through the early stages before making a mistake at the final flight, Saint Roi eventually closed to within a neck of Abacadabras.

“So much went wrong, but there are a lot of positives to take out of it,” said Mullins.

“He was beaten only a neck and in another couple of strides past the line he was probably in front.

“He made mistakes and got on the wrong side of things here and there, but the performance was still good. He was pulling hard and Mark (Walsh) was caught between a rock and a hard place.

“The ground was testing and he was hoping he’d drop the bridle halfway around. Then they all rushed by him at the second last and he found himself in a bad position, but these things happen.

“I’m hoping what we learned about the horse might be to our advantage the next day. I’d imagine Leopardstown at Christmas is the obvious route with him.

“He made a few mistakes, but I think that was because he was pulling so hard on heavy ground. On faster ground there will be a better pace and it will suit him better.”
Report duffy November 16, 2020 2:42 PM GMT
Ditto the winner, looks like there might be continued added value each time Abacadabras runs this season, I'm not even his biggest fan but would take him over the county hurdle winner off 138 at the prices.
Report impossible123 November 16, 2020 4:40 PM GMT
I think SR ought to have won yesterday with a more tactical speed - he lost crucial position when the others quickened. But, winning the Champion Hurdle against Epatante? I do have grave doubt, all things being equal.
Report duffy November 16, 2020 5:51 PM GMT
I think at the current prices the 25's available about SALDIER and SCEAU ROYAL represents a little bit of value.

Saldier has issues with his soundness but has form surrounding a previous CH winner and his winning of the Morgiana beating an albeit disappointing Sharjah puts him right in the bunch immediately behind Epatante.

I don't know if Sceau royal is going back fencing and it would be easy to overlook him as he would appear exposed and has been around and proved to be below the level required but that's not taking account an apparent change to him so far this season. He appears transformed, he's always been a smooth traveller but is now finding lots off the bridal too. His easy dismissal of Ballyandy in Wales got a little boost in the Greatwood as that one ran really well off top weight.

When you look down the CH market what we saw yesterday in Ireland constitutes a large bulk of the opposition to the solid fav and there is another bunch of horses that will only run if their fencing careers doesn't work out.
Report buddeliea November 16, 2020 6:18 PM GMT
Yeh, im on Saldier at 25,just hoping he can come back in the form hes capable of.
If he does hes a major player imo.
At this stage i see last years winner,Goshen and hopefully Saldier as the ones.
Report FOYLESWAR November 16, 2020 6:24 PM GMT
am also on saldier 25s each way but more confident with saint roi if all line up .
Report harry callaghan November 16, 2020 9:18 PM GMT
I think people need their head testing wanting to back either saint roi or abracadabra at the current odds... both should be 12/1 at least in my book
Report FOYLESWAR November 16, 2020 10:07 PM GMT
some interesting possibles for the fighting fith ,,,epatante,goshen,sceux royal,abracadabras,main fact,not so sleepy,ballyandy,jason the mil,among others .
Report buddeliea November 17, 2020 7:54 AM GMT
Yes Harry, have to agree with that.
Aspire Tower is 20/1 with any amount of improvement to come.
And he comes out very similar to ABRA on the last run.
Report buddeliea November 17, 2020 7:58 AM GMT
Cant wait to see Goshen hurdling again, just hope he is the same horse as last season,added to the improvememt for age i would expect..
Most exciting horse for me this season.
Report harry callaghan November 17, 2020 8:53 AM GMT
Yes agree budd but once again considering how he has run so far on the flat, albeit probably needing it, his price is still well to short to want to take a shot at him for the champion
Report FOYLESWAR November 17, 2020 9:31 AM GMT
epatante the one to beat but worth remembering that this time last year she wernt on the radar having been unsighted  when fav for  the mares novices hurdle at the fest, she only really started to come onto the champ hurdle radar when she won the newbury handicap then the xmas hurdle showed what she was capable of .impressive in the champion and room for improvment but just the price puts me off , abra 158 saint roi 157 on official figgas  and a few others have plenty of room for improvement so its all to play for and as we know anything can happen. agree abra and saint roi should be around double figgas but happy to be on at 25s each way . am also on abracadabras at 12s each way .
Report duffy November 17, 2020 12:51 PM GMT
I was against Abas all last year, his head carriage has been iffy from the word go, you could see it as far back as the previous festivals bumper and the concern is that his quirkiness is getting worse.

That being said he is still operating at a high enough level with that hindrance to him so it is reasonable to wonder just what he might look like if they can sort him out by way of some kind of headgear, they must try, he could have another another level to go to.

Imagine if he put his head down and ran right to the line the other day, he'd have been a cosy winner and Saint Roi would have looked comfortably held even with the run he got.
Report jimnast November 17, 2020 7:04 PM GMT
good post duffy i did back him for the supreme novice but his bumper run was always at the back of my mind, it jumped to the front of my mind on the run to the line,regarding sundays race i could not agree more with those comments.
Report buddeliea November 21, 2020 8:29 AM GMT
Already decided to ignore that race in relation to the CH,aside from a cheeky e/w dabble on JTM at big odds, i just dont think Aba or SR are any value to be honest,from what i have seen anyway.
Be intersting as the season progresses, but their are a few others that imo represent better value.
Report FOYLESWAR November 27, 2020 10:43 AM GMT
saldier no go on sunday ,was due to take on honeysuckle and co ,a bit concerning given his fragility , have cashed out of my bet for the churdle on him ,can always go back in later if everything seems ok .
Report buddeliea November 27, 2020 12:00 PM GMT
Hope hes ok, im on him at 25.
Report FOYLESWAR November 27, 2020 12:27 PM GMT
probably nothing untoward budd but with his history if ya can cash out till more news on him ,dont think his price will contract till he is declared for one of the trials .
Report buddeliea November 27, 2020 12:54 PM GMT
Yeh  Foyles, just had a look on irish racing site but cany find any info on why he not running.
Given his past its worrying.
Think hes potentially the best 2m hurdler around.
Report sageform November 27, 2020 2:24 PM GMT
Hoping for Honeysuckle and Epatante for my 10 to follow. The opposition to either is not looking strong.
Report FOYLESWAR November 27, 2020 7:02 PM GMT
might be in the  racin post in his column tommorow bud
Report buddeliea November 27, 2020 7:03 PM GMT
Cheers Foyles
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