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Anybody who gets it from today will have to miss Cheltenham
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I honestly don't know where to start, I have so many of them...
You do realise ...
A man from SURREY has contracted the virus
Fully expecting festival off now !
A man from SURREY has contracted the virus
Fully expecting festival off now !
Olly Murphy is nervous that Brewin’upastorm will be prevented from running in the Arkle. He’s heard the Government are considering restricting anything out of Milan.
Anything out of Milan by the way would be worth billions
This meeting is so important it MUST go ahead, any petitions anywhere ?
By the way I wrote 40 years ago that a virus would come from the east, this one will kill thousands, but its not the real mcCoy that one is yet to come quite soon, and kill billions,its inevitable, so no point stopping chelts
By the way I wrote 40 years ago that a virus would come from the east, this one will kill thousands, but its not the real mcCoy that one is yet to come quite soon, and kill billions,its inevitable, so no point stopping chelts
Let me know when it's coming, Madman. That way I can make sure I go out with a bang before I get it 
3 new cases today, 1 in Gloucestershire and France just announced a ban on all events attracting over 5000 people. Looking more ominous.
How can it be? ^ they will not stop public transport so there is no need to cancel racing.
are the French cancelling professional football??doubt it
Apparently booze helps fight this off
So, The Guinness Village Is Good For You.
Smart thinking by the management at Cheltenham to provide an on-course medical centre to deal with this emergency.
So, The Guinness Village Is Good For You.
Smart thinking by the management at Cheltenham to provide an on-course medical centre to deal with this emergency.
Latest from RP website:
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/coronavirus-and-racing-will-the-cheltenham-festival-be-affected/425227
Coronavirus and racing: will the Cheltenham Festival be affected?
You will have heard of coronavirus by now – or more specifically the Covid-19 variety of the virus that started in the Wuhan region of China and is spreading rapidly around the world.
As of 9am on Saturday 82,240 cases had been reported globally with 59 countries affected — resulting in 2,924 deaths worldwide.
The international nature of this potentially fatal virus means authorities worldwide are reacting rapidly and sporting events have been some of the first to be affected.
So could it affect racing in Britain?
In short, yes it could. In Italy, the worst-affected country in Europe with 821 cases, Serie A football matches are being played behind closed doors this weekend, while Italy's Six Nations rugby clash with Ireland in Dublin was postponed ten days in advance and there are question marks over the clash with England in Rome the day after the Cheltenham Gold Cup.
Formula One's Chinese Grand Prix, on April 19, has already been cancelled and Paddy Power on Friday made this summer's Olympics in Tokyo, Japan (July 24 to August 9) a 4-6 shot to be cancelled.
We are not there yet, but if the number of cases in Britain spikes from the current 20 then racing could well be hit. If things stay as they are, then everything would carry on as normal.
Could it impact Cheltenham — and could the festival be cancelled?
Well, the Betfair market – on which £545,198 has been matched so far – suggests the first day of the festival is 1.57 (4-7) to go ahead and 2.72 (13-8) to be off.
Now it does not specify this has to be due to coronavirus, so anything from snow or frost to high winds, waterlogging or acts of God like another equine flu outbreak are runners in the market, but it does give you a strong indication of how serious the threat is given 'no' traded as high as 4.4 shortly after the market opened on Tuesday evening.
Cheltenham officials have given every indication they expect the festival to go ahead as planned and the BHA on Friday said it saw no reason to "develop a policy regarding abandonment of any specific fixtures due to coronavirus at this time", but the decision will ultimately lie with the government.
Furthermore, while shutting down a sporting event is less effective as a prevention method than closing major airports and transport systems such as the London Underground, it is also vastly less disruptive to the general public and so often deemed the starting point.
The festival, with more than 260,000 visitors from all over the globe in just four days, would be a vastly greater concern in that sense than a midweek evening fixture at Kempton, and if the number of cases in Britain starts to rise and politicians become involved, then all bets are off.
Could the festival be held behind closed doors, or elsewhere?
In Japan (226 cases) and Hong Kong (93) spectators have been banned from racecourses as countries with a rising number of contaminated individuals look to minimise the potential for spreading the virus while keeping the show on the road, while the Swiss government have banned gatherings of more than a 1,000 people in a country with just 15 cases to date.
Running the festival behind closed doors instead of cancelling the meeting would be preferable for racing fans, the sport's participants and bookmakers alike, and for the sport too in terms of Levy-generation, but the balance sheets of Jockey Club Racecourses would take a hammering unless their insurance covers the commercial loss of the meeting technically going ahead, albeit behind closed doors. The course will not comment on the details of their insurance arrangements.
The problem with relocating is if a gathering of 260,000 in Cheltenham is problematic, the same is likely to apply were it moved to Ascot, Ayr, Doncaster, Haydock, Newbury or Sandown.
What happens if it's postponed?
Foot and mouth caused the 2001 Cheltenham Festival to be cancelled. The initial contingency plan was for a delayed festival to take place in April, with the then three-day event pencilled in for April 17-19. When that too had to be abandoned the governing body at the time, the British Horseracing Board (BHB), looked into trying to salvage the championship races at other venues – with attempts made to add the four championship races and Arkle to Sandown's season-ending meeting, but those plans failed.
The congested nature of the spring calendar, with major festivals at Aintree (April 2-4), Fairyhouse (April 11-13), Ayr (April 17-18), Sandown (April 25) and Punchestown (April 28-May 2), means even if the coronavirus epidemic is abated, finding a slot for the festival would not be straightforward.
But with Cheltenham already scheduled to race on April 15 and 16 (a Wednesday and a Thursday) adding a Tuesday to that fixture, as they did in 2001, would look the most obvious solution.
How much would it cost the industry?
In 2001 when the festival was a three-day event, the loss of Cheltenham was estimated to have cost the betting industry alone £100 million, while local tourism reportedly suffered an estimated £10 million hit. The course itself will not comment on the financial impact suffered.
These days the festival is an altogether bigger beast and those numbers can be inflated. Bookmakers do roughly £450-£500 million in turnover which, with an even run of results, returns around £50 million in profit and with the levy at ten per cent that is roughly a £5 million hit for the sport as a whole if those four days are lost.
And it is not just those four days. The reason bookmaker offers are so enticing around Cheltenham is because it is a major account recruiting event. While the Grand National may open more accounts, they are generally one-off bettors, the industry has learned Cheltenham activates accounts that continue to bet throughout the year and thus further chipping in to the sport's levy return.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/coronavirus-and-racing-will-the-cheltenham-festival-be-affected/425227
Coronavirus and racing: will the Cheltenham Festival be affected?
You will have heard of coronavirus by now – or more specifically the Covid-19 variety of the virus that started in the Wuhan region of China and is spreading rapidly around the world.
As of 9am on Saturday 82,240 cases had been reported globally with 59 countries affected — resulting in 2,924 deaths worldwide.
The international nature of this potentially fatal virus means authorities worldwide are reacting rapidly and sporting events have been some of the first to be affected.
So could it affect racing in Britain?
In short, yes it could. In Italy, the worst-affected country in Europe with 821 cases, Serie A football matches are being played behind closed doors this weekend, while Italy's Six Nations rugby clash with Ireland in Dublin was postponed ten days in advance and there are question marks over the clash with England in Rome the day after the Cheltenham Gold Cup.
Formula One's Chinese Grand Prix, on April 19, has already been cancelled and Paddy Power on Friday made this summer's Olympics in Tokyo, Japan (July 24 to August 9) a 4-6 shot to be cancelled.
We are not there yet, but if the number of cases in Britain spikes from the current 20 then racing could well be hit. If things stay as they are, then everything would carry on as normal.
Could it impact Cheltenham — and could the festival be cancelled?
Well, the Betfair market – on which £545,198 has been matched so far – suggests the first day of the festival is 1.57 (4-7) to go ahead and 2.72 (13-8) to be off.
Now it does not specify this has to be due to coronavirus, so anything from snow or frost to high winds, waterlogging or acts of God like another equine flu outbreak are runners in the market, but it does give you a strong indication of how serious the threat is given 'no' traded as high as 4.4 shortly after the market opened on Tuesday evening.
Cheltenham officials have given every indication they expect the festival to go ahead as planned and the BHA on Friday said it saw no reason to "develop a policy regarding abandonment of any specific fixtures due to coronavirus at this time", but the decision will ultimately lie with the government.
Furthermore, while shutting down a sporting event is less effective as a prevention method than closing major airports and transport systems such as the London Underground, it is also vastly less disruptive to the general public and so often deemed the starting point.
The festival, with more than 260,000 visitors from all over the globe in just four days, would be a vastly greater concern in that sense than a midweek evening fixture at Kempton, and if the number of cases in Britain starts to rise and politicians become involved, then all bets are off.
Could the festival be held behind closed doors, or elsewhere?
In Japan (226 cases) and Hong Kong (93) spectators have been banned from racecourses as countries with a rising number of contaminated individuals look to minimise the potential for spreading the virus while keeping the show on the road, while the Swiss government have banned gatherings of more than a 1,000 people in a country with just 15 cases to date.
Running the festival behind closed doors instead of cancelling the meeting would be preferable for racing fans, the sport's participants and bookmakers alike, and for the sport too in terms of Levy-generation, but the balance sheets of Jockey Club Racecourses would take a hammering unless their insurance covers the commercial loss of the meeting technically going ahead, albeit behind closed doors. The course will not comment on the details of their insurance arrangements.
The problem with relocating is if a gathering of 260,000 in Cheltenham is problematic, the same is likely to apply were it moved to Ascot, Ayr, Doncaster, Haydock, Newbury or Sandown.
What happens if it's postponed?
Foot and mouth caused the 2001 Cheltenham Festival to be cancelled. The initial contingency plan was for a delayed festival to take place in April, with the then three-day event pencilled in for April 17-19. When that too had to be abandoned the governing body at the time, the British Horseracing Board (BHB), looked into trying to salvage the championship races at other venues – with attempts made to add the four championship races and Arkle to Sandown's season-ending meeting, but those plans failed.
The congested nature of the spring calendar, with major festivals at Aintree (April 2-4), Fairyhouse (April 11-13), Ayr (April 17-18), Sandown (April 25) and Punchestown (April 28-May 2), means even if the coronavirus epidemic is abated, finding a slot for the festival would not be straightforward.
But with Cheltenham already scheduled to race on April 15 and 16 (a Wednesday and a Thursday) adding a Tuesday to that fixture, as they did in 2001, would look the most obvious solution.
How much would it cost the industry?
In 2001 when the festival was a three-day event, the loss of Cheltenham was estimated to have cost the betting industry alone £100 million, while local tourism reportedly suffered an estimated £10 million hit. The course itself will not comment on the financial impact suffered.
These days the festival is an altogether bigger beast and those numbers can be inflated. Bookmakers do roughly £450-£500 million in turnover which, with an even run of results, returns around £50 million in profit and with the levy at ten per cent that is roughly a £5 million hit for the sport as a whole if those four days are lost.
And it is not just those four days. The reason bookmaker offers are so enticing around Cheltenham is because it is a major account recruiting event. While the Grand National may open more accounts, they are generally one-off bettors, the industry has learned Cheltenham activates accounts that continue to bet throughout the year and thus further chipping in to the sport's levy return.
Bottom line is racing will do what the Government tells them to do. At the moment there's no sign that the Government will ban events where people gather in large numbers but that might change after Monday's Cobra meeting. If the number of new infections in UK remains low then hopefully Cheltenham will be allowed to go ahead.
SUSPENDING M****y moley!
The chances of it being cancelled have risen from 28% to 42%..... Odds have been further shortened on the Festival not going ahead. The market ‘Will racing go ahead?’ has seen a hive of activity since it went live, with over £283,000 already matched.
‘No’ is now 11/8, which is an implied probability of 41.7%. This is a 14% rise since yesterday and is a vast cause for concern for racing fans over the world.
On the flip side, 'yes' for the Festival to go ahead has drifted out to just 8/13.
England’s Chief Medical officer has warned drastic measures may have to be taken if a pandemic hits the UK. This would include suspending mass gatherings.
The chances of it being cancelled have risen from 28% to 42%..... Odds have been further shortened on the Festival not going ahead. The market ‘Will racing go ahead?’ has seen a hive of activity since it went live, with over £283,000 already matched.
‘No’ is now 11/8, which is an implied probability of 41.7%. This is a 14% rise since yesterday and is a vast cause for concern for racing fans over the world.
On the flip side, 'yes' for the Festival to go ahead has drifted out to just 8/13.
England’s Chief Medical officer has warned drastic measures may have to be taken if a pandemic hits the UK. This would include suspending mass gatherings.
French ban is large gatherings in confined spaces?
Been a while since my legs could get me down there, but last time I went it wasn't too confined.
Been a while since my legs could get me down there, but last time I went it wasn't too confined.
There is only one way this is going at the moment .... Takes 14 days quarentine...thats up to 14 days it can be incubating without people knowing they have it .... Back NO CHELTENHAM on here, today, lay it off tomorrow, might help pay for cancelled hotel and flights
If the Premiership is on next weekend so is Cheltenham. Can't be one rule for football another fir racing.
Uk government wont rule out banning large gatherings ..
Good. Start with the Airports, train stations, the underground and the ferry ports. See how we go from there.
Three meetings in france this week going ahead behind closed doors
I watched the health secretary on the Andrew marr show this morning obviously he couldn’t give to much away before tomorrow’s cobra meeting but he did indicate nobody wants to spoil any social events at this stage.
suppose it hinges on rest of this week on whether its being contained here or not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51693195
"Nothing ruled out"... including "banning big events".
"Nothing ruled out"... including "banning big events".
IF they ban anything without FIRSTLY shutting down the undergrounds, the stations, the airports, the ferry ports, coaches etc etc you will have 100% confirmation that it is nothing more than scaremongering.
DO NOT FALL FOR THE CRAP
DO NOT FALL FOR THE CRAP
I think it does Geoff I thought we would know tomorrow yes or no now I think it will depend on the next 6 or 7 days.
It would reduce the risk if flights in and out of Italy, China and Middle East until passengers have been cleared the other end like what they are doing in Tenerife.
If it would then reduce the risk to the UK. It’s simple. All cases have been imported except one.
Forty
If it would then reduce the risk to the UK. It’s simple. All cases have been imported except one.
Forty
Are any bookies betting on this? I can only find the BF market.
One case has come to my town today. I think they are going to cancel all major sporting events.
Just to add a bit of perspective here. As of yesterday I think, Italy had 1,100 case and 29 deaths. Yesterday in Italy Lazio and Napoli both had home games watched by crowds of 45,000 in Rome and 23,000 in Naples. France has 100 cases and 47,000 watched PSG play on Saturday, all other big games had spectators. Both those countries are ahead of us with regards to known cases but haven't banned or stopped people at these events. Given our Govt noises about taking into account the social and ECONOMIC ramifications of cancelling big events you'd think it would have to get MUCH worse in the next 8 days for a cancellation to be ordered. The Festival is an 'outdoors' event too which helps.
...and just to add. If you stop the 68,000 daily gathering for the festival. What about similar amounts at every Premiership and football league matches ?, every airport ?. Heathrow has a daily footfall of 213,000 people for example. You can see that becomes a HUGE step with massive economic damage. I'm not saying it wont happen but at say, a dozen or so cases a day, even 20...we'd be at about 100 -120 by next Tuesday....cant see that being enough to tip the decision to cancel. It hasnt in Italy or France so far. Just my opinion though. Fingers crossed.
Agree with Scobster but I still think they will take drastic action
Think Jockey Club Racecourses have already said that is a non starter financially Harry although I would have thought bookmakers might well be willing to make some sort of contribution as running at all makes them a fortune most likely. My issue with closed doors is it would spread the virus more quickly. Everyone who would have attended one location in the open air all spread out in pubs, clubs and bookies the length and breadth of Britain and Ireland, surely that's lunacy ?
Don't come in here with common sense and logic, Scobster
If the US bans us, I'll be a bit more annoyed than if Chelters gets scuppered.
If the US bans us, I'll be a bit more annoyed than if Chelters gets scuppered.
Can't possibly go ahead in the current climate.
Betfair - can we have a 'Day of Cheltenham Postponement' market please?
Betfair - can we have a 'Day of Cheltenham Postponement' market please?
The key point in the statement earlier is
Mr Hancock said an emergency "battle plan", drawn up if the virus spreads further, includes banning big events, closing schools and dissuading people from using public transport.
Well it has increased by 50% from 23 cases to 35 y'day so it has spread.
By saying 'banning' big events is worrying, could have at least said 'limiting' big events which would have opened the door to limited attendance ie no new tickets sold on the door or limiting number of big events which could have left Chelt okay.
This thing could be off as much as it pains me to even think about.
And as stated earlier on the thread, the problem is coming in through the airports. Surely a no brainer so start looking there.
Mr Hancock said an emergency "battle plan", drawn up if the virus spreads further, includes banning big events, closing schools and dissuading people from using public transport.
Well it has increased by 50% from 23 cases to 35 y'day so it has spread.
By saying 'banning' big events is worrying, could have at least said 'limiting' big events which would have opened the door to limited attendance ie no new tickets sold on the door or limiting number of big events which could have left Chelt okay.
This thing could be off as much as it pains me to even think about.
And as stated earlier on the thread, the problem is coming in through the airports. Surely a no brainer so start looking there.
BBC guy on breakfast news says they're not at the stage to cancel events etc yet.
Another cobra meeting next Monday to decide on the Cheltenham Festival 
A case in the east of Ireland at a school person in quarantine family told to go about there business but be sensible.
Full steam ahead. Just keep washing your hands says Boris. Market on here way back out to 3.2 for off
It appears to be emerging that Govt does not have the legislative power to force any event to cancel. Part of the "battle plan" being announced tomorrow is emergency primary legislation granting such powers. That will not go before Parliament until next week and won't be statute for several weeks. Accordingly 5.7 now for cancelled on the market here. Unless the BHA shoot themselves in the foot this is on no matter what happens in the next week.
dont go taking too short a price,i'm sure the government would gently persuade them to cancel if they wanted
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It appears to be emerging that Govt does not have the legislative power to force any event to cancel. Part of the "battle plan" being announced tomorrow is emergency primary legislation granting such powers. That will not go before Parliament until next week and won't be statute for several weeks. Accordingly 5.7 now for cancelled on the market here. Unless the BHA shoot themselves in the foot this is on no matter what happens in the next week.
Rubbish , if the situation gets serious enough the government can do what it likes
It appears to be emerging that Govt does not have the legislative power to force any event to cancel. Part of the "battle plan" being announced tomorrow is emergency primary legislation granting such powers. That will not go before Parliament until next week and won't be statute for several weeks. Accordingly 5.7 now for cancelled on the market here. Unless the BHA shoot themselves in the foot this is on no matter what happens in the next week.
Rubbish , if the situation gets serious enough the government can do what it likes
Biffo seems to be under the impression we reside in N Korea / China / Russia. Thankfully we don't and they can't as you will see tomorrow in the announcement.
Mmmm not out of the woods yet.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/coronavirus-and-racing-health-chief-warns-plan-is-nearing-delay-stage/426080
Coronavirus and racing: health chief warns plan is nearing 'delay stage'
The UK's action plan against the coronavirus outbreak is on the cusp of moving to the 'delay stage', during which restrictions could be imposed on public gatherings, according to the government's chief medical officer Chris Whitty.
Whitty was speaking on Wednesday morning when he said he feared that the virus could be spreading undetected in Britain, but stated that an epidemic of the illness in Britain was "likely, not definite".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4, Whitty suggested the second phase of the government's action plan was imminent.
"When I was here previously, we were firmly in contain stage," he said. "Now I think we are on the borderline between containing and delaying. But many of the things you do to contain it can also delay it."
On Tuesday, the government unveiled its coronavirus action plan, which contains four phases: contain, delay, research and mitigate.
Currently, the government is in the contain phase, during which the focus is on detecting early cases and preventing an outbreak of the disease.
The delay phase begins when the virus begins spreading and seeks to postpone its peak until nearer the summer. This phase could include restrictions on public gatherings like sporting events for up to 12 weeks.
However, prime minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday there were no immediate plans to introduce such measures, heightening confidence that the Cheltenham Festival, which begins on Tuesday, will go ahead as scheduled.
On Wednesday the number of people in Britain diagnosed with coronavirus rose to 53, while new deaths in Iran and Italy took the fatalities there to 92 and 79.
The World Bank has announced a $12 billion aid package and Chile and Argentina have also reported their first cases of the disease, which could put sport at risk and on hold.
The Coppa Italia clash between Juventus and AC Milan in Turin on Wednesday night has been postponed, although racing was 1.2 to go ahead at Cheltenham on Tuesday on Betfair's exchange market in which nearly £2 million has been traded. At 12.30pm on Wednesday, it was 5.8 racing would not take place.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/coronavirus-and-racing-health-chief-warns-plan-is-nearing-delay-stage/426080
Coronavirus and racing: health chief warns plan is nearing 'delay stage'
The UK's action plan against the coronavirus outbreak is on the cusp of moving to the 'delay stage', during which restrictions could be imposed on public gatherings, according to the government's chief medical officer Chris Whitty.
Whitty was speaking on Wednesday morning when he said he feared that the virus could be spreading undetected in Britain, but stated that an epidemic of the illness in Britain was "likely, not definite".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4, Whitty suggested the second phase of the government's action plan was imminent.
"When I was here previously, we were firmly in contain stage," he said. "Now I think we are on the borderline between containing and delaying. But many of the things you do to contain it can also delay it."
On Tuesday, the government unveiled its coronavirus action plan, which contains four phases: contain, delay, research and mitigate.
Currently, the government is in the contain phase, during which the focus is on detecting early cases and preventing an outbreak of the disease.
The delay phase begins when the virus begins spreading and seeks to postpone its peak until nearer the summer. This phase could include restrictions on public gatherings like sporting events for up to 12 weeks.
However, prime minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday there were no immediate plans to introduce such measures, heightening confidence that the Cheltenham Festival, which begins on Tuesday, will go ahead as scheduled.
On Wednesday the number of people in Britain diagnosed with coronavirus rose to 53, while new deaths in Iran and Italy took the fatalities there to 92 and 79.
The World Bank has announced a $12 billion aid package and Chile and Argentina have also reported their first cases of the disease, which could put sport at risk and on hold.
The Coppa Italia clash between Juventus and AC Milan in Turin on Wednesday night has been postponed, although racing was 1.2 to go ahead at Cheltenham on Tuesday on Betfair's exchange market in which nearly £2 million has been traded. At 12.30pm on Wednesday, it was 5.8 racing would not take place.
number of coronavirus cases now at 85, 34 new today the biggest daily increase so far.
I’m really worried that they will call it off. Racing fans come from all over the country, and could therefore carry the disease back to every part of the country if picking it up.
In football, a massive part of a crowd are from only one area- the home area, obviously not everyone lives near the team they support, but many more so than us racing fans living near Cheltenham.
It’s much more easy to call our beloved sport off that so many hate, in comparison to the over paid footballers. Money talks.
In football, a massive part of a crowd are from only one area- the home area, obviously not everyone lives near the team they support, but many more so than us racing fans living near Cheltenham.
It’s much more easy to call our beloved sport off that so many hate, in comparison to the over paid footballers. Money talks.
Yes im not so sure now .....
I booked with flybe ....said to be about to collapse
This year we are booked into gloucester.....home of the first west country corona victim
Could be my first cheltenham treble if they call it off now
I booked with flybe ....said to be about to collapse
This year we are booked into gloucester.....home of the first west country corona victim
Could be my first cheltenham treble if they call it off now
One of the top medical bods on the radio said that calling off large gathering sport events etc would be a waste of time as it is not spread easily that way, it's passed on among family members rather than as easily as brushing past people.
calling sporting events off a waste of time? what utter cobblers
So whats the difference in transmission rates next week at Chelt to Aintree in April. Aintree already is 4/7 to be called off!
so how the hell are we 'safer ' at Chelt than Aintree!!??..Government and advisers all complicit in this.
Health Govt minister states cockily there is 'no evidence' of community transmission...well there wouldn't be would there thicko!!!!
Of course community transmission is happening. And they know it and don't GAF for the prols...But well close the H O Parliament!!! Really! Fecking! Shameful!
So whats the difference in transmission rates next week at Chelt to Aintree in April. Aintree already is 4/7 to be called off!
so how the hell are we 'safer ' at Chelt than Aintree!!??..Government and advisers all complicit in this.
Health Govt minister states cockily there is 'no evidence' of community transmission...well there wouldn't be would there thicko!!!!
Of course community transmission is happening. And they know it and don't GAF for the prols...But well close the H O Parliament!!! Really! Fecking! Shameful!
The biggest problem we have is so many can’t be arsed washing there hands
Very interesting I the impression I got was the festival was safe baring a massive upsurge.
Yeh,fingers crossed that's the case, but this could change at any time.
To be honest I am trying to carry on as normal,but inot knowing for sure is bl00dy annoying!!
To be honest I am trying to carry on as normal,but inot knowing for sure is bl00dy annoying!!
It is mate.
I am looking at a good 2 days studying today and tmrw,form, videos etc,and right now I find myself watching BBC Parliament and Sky News!!
I will get down to it soon, but yes very distracting.
I am looking at a good 2 days studying today and tmrw,form, videos etc,and right now I find myself watching BBC Parliament and Sky News!!
I will get down to it soon, but yes very distracting.
The news is the biggest problem. How do we know for sure that the reported deaths are due to the virus ? Its all nonsense
they could say there have been 10 000 more reported cases !!! How do we know that is true ??? Could some be flu ? Are some pneumonia ??? etc etc etc
I suspect there is a massive problem in China with something but we are never going to know exactly what it is are we ?? We may be told something but it will only be what they want to tell us via usual media channels ...
The simple fact that they locked down the reporting on this tells us all we need to know ... Everything that follows is propaganda and most probably lies
Anyway , I will not be buying a face mask. I will not stop going anywhere that planned to visit and i will refuse the 4thcoming vaccine. NAP.
I suspect there is a massive problem in China with something but we are never going to know exactly what it is are we ?? We may be told something but it will only be what they want to tell us via usual media channels ...
The simple fact that they locked down the reporting on this tells us all we need to know ... Everything that follows is propaganda and most probably lies
Anyway , I will not be buying a face mask. I will not stop going anywhere that planned to visit and i will refuse the 4thcoming vaccine. NAP.
Well said JWH...Chelt should now be behind closed doors. Because there are greedy corrupted capitilasts involved at BHA , that not likely to happen. It now has to be a sensible option
Those who go don’t want it behind closed doors just those who put nothing into the game.
To get a handle on this, I think you have to ignore the science; it's like the Gymnastics at the Olympics - every four years we become instant experts. We're probably not being fed correct data (as has been said, teasing out how many deaths have been due solely to this virus versus other forms of flu, for example).
Something much more readily assimilated is the politics behind this.
Politicians are a) venal and b) scared stiff of not being seen to be doing something even if that something is counterproductive and questionable.
Nowhere have I heard about any modelling of the effects of a worldwide depression (forget 'recession') on human mortality. Flybe goes bust in the UK and there's a few seconds of analysis on the effect of this on its employees and supply chain....in a first world country.....with various support mechanisms.
Take that and apply it to factories in China and other parts of the Third World that are closing down and try and imagine the effects on life expectancy for people who have very little to begin with, in countries where there is rudimentary healthcare, sanitation and income support.
The point is - cancelling Cheltenaham and other public gatherings....airports....transprt hubs plays out well with politicians because thay get to look like they're in control and doing something that looks like they're saving lives.
I'd argue they're doing the exact opposite
Something much more readily assimilated is the politics behind this.
Politicians are a) venal and b) scared stiff of not being seen to be doing something even if that something is counterproductive and questionable.
Nowhere have I heard about any modelling of the effects of a worldwide depression (forget 'recession') on human mortality. Flybe goes bust in the UK and there's a few seconds of analysis on the effect of this on its employees and supply chain....in a first world country.....with various support mechanisms.
Take that and apply it to factories in China and other parts of the Third World that are closing down and try and imagine the effects on life expectancy for people who have very little to begin with, in countries where there is rudimentary healthcare, sanitation and income support.
The point is - cancelling Cheltenaham and other public gatherings....airports....transprt hubs plays out well with politicians because thay get to look like they're in control and doing something that looks like they're saving lives.
I'd argue they're doing the exact opposite
If you hold Cheltenham for 4 days next week. Out of a projected crowd of say 250,000. How many extra transmission will be picked up?
And you're saying that is worth it. Increasing greatly the exponential spread and beyond. So cancelling Aintree (1.6 to be off) is responsible and Chelt is OK?
The difference is what exactly?
And you're saying that is worth it. Increasing greatly the exponential spread and beyond. So cancelling Aintree (1.6 to be off) is responsible and Chelt is OK?
The difference is what exactly?
I have a dampened down immune system and am resigned to catching this and am at peace with that. I have no need nor expectation for any powers that be to protect me. I have no need for transparency from health experts or governments. I am not naive I can process data which is why I expect to catch this. I will eat lots of fruit and veg to give myself the best chance of fighting it off. I am good with all of this. What I am not good with is being told what to think and what to feel by everybody with an agenda
I will get this whether Cheltenham is on or off and there is not yet one piece of evidence to tell me what difference stopping Cheltenham will make and until there is then I do not want my
freedom to chose taken away from me. My post is how I feel not right or wrong and I am not going to debate with anyone. Gl everyone
I will get this whether Cheltenham is on or off and there is not yet one piece of evidence to tell me what difference stopping Cheltenham will make and until there is then I do not want my
freedom to chose taken away from me. My post is how I feel not right or wrong and I am not going to debate with anyone. Gl everyone
How many " extra " transmissions would you potentailly save if you shut the London underground network for 4 weekdays ?
Yep I don't disagree with you either Miltons. I just would like to know, what the rationale is closing sporting events in future and not now is.
Think they no for sure this is not containable, so even out the spread of infection. That said it still shows a wilful disregard for public in general
And in terms of the Govts only advice..wash your hands. I don't see that many lads have ever done that at these events or frankly anywhere. Infection will spread
Think they no for sure this is not containable, so even out the spread of infection. That said it still shows a wilful disregard for public in general
And in terms of the Govts only advice..wash your hands. I don't see that many lads have ever done that at these events or frankly anywhere. Infection will spread
if you are going to get this,you will.
It is called fate.
It is called fate.
Nightfly
I do agree with you about getting people to wash there hands an amazingly simple request but one I am afraid to few will take any notice of.
As posy said on another thread let us just enjoy the time we have.
I do agree with you about getting people to wash there hands an amazingly simple request but one I am afraid to few will take any notice of.
As posy said on another thread let us just enjoy the time we have.
I am struggling to understand the exchange market reaction to the latest information.
The government has been told that banning large gatherings is surprisingly ineffective as a measure.
They have been given no scientific rationale for doing so and have maintained that any decision will be based on science
The only significant benefits of ‘delay’ over contain appears to be 1) smoothing out the impact to NHS and 2) the hope that warmer weather will work in the same way as it did with SARS. This is hope not knowledge.
So from what I can gather the decision faced by government is introduce massive draconian measures that are known to be ineffective and put the country into a semi coma in order to smooth out the impact to the NHS mmmmmm
The government has been told that banning large gatherings is surprisingly ineffective as a measure.
They have been given no scientific rationale for doing so and have maintained that any decision will be based on science
The only significant benefits of ‘delay’ over contain appears to be 1) smoothing out the impact to NHS and 2) the hope that warmer weather will work in the same way as it did with SARS. This is hope not knowledge.
So from what I can gather the decision faced by government is introduce massive draconian measures that are known to be ineffective and put the country into a semi coma in order to smooth out the impact to the NHS mmmmmm
miltons sophie 05 Mar 20 10:57
I have a dampened down immune system and am resigned to catching this and am at peace with that. I have no need nor expectation for any powers that be to protect me. I have no need for transparency from health experts or governments. I am not naive I can process data which is why I expect to catch this. I will eat lots of fruit and veg to give myself the best chance of fighting it off.
Me too, although I won't be eating fruit as I never get round to it and I won't be eating veg as I can't stand the stuff, the thought of catching Coronavirus is far more appetizing to me than facing a plateful of sprouts or broccoli, so that's me fooked.
I have a dampened down immune system and am resigned to catching this and am at peace with that. I have no need nor expectation for any powers that be to protect me. I have no need for transparency from health experts or governments. I am not naive I can process data which is why I expect to catch this. I will eat lots of fruit and veg to give myself the best chance of fighting it off.
Me too, although I won't be eating fruit as I never get round to it and I won't be eating veg as I can't stand the stuff, the thought of catching Coronavirus is far more appetizing to me than facing a plateful of sprouts or broccoli, so that's me fooked.
My immune system is **** too, Miltons.
I just hope I can hold off getting it until after the summer, as I want to go watch the UFC/Fury in Vegas
I just hope I can hold off getting it until after the summer, as I want to go watch the UFC/Fury in Vegas
The lies parents tell. I once told my 6 year old daughter that Michael Jackson died coz he didn’t eat enough carrots. She started shovelling them down. She is a teenager now and won’t touch them but she’s the only one in the team that doesn’t need floodlights.
What really upsets me about this is the British government, firstly they shouldnt have told people there was alcohol in hand cleansers, the alkies have cleared the shelves over there havent they !
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