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27 Nov 19 18:30
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just a brief write up not going through all the runners but one who sticks to me  out and is a price and with the right connections is BURROWS SAINT a good  winner of the irish grand national and on an upward curve last season . a decent hurdler  it wasnt untill sent over fences that  he started to show a lot of improvement and after a decent 4th 20l behind arkle winner duc de generes over a trip to short he was stepped up and won his next 2 races and went off a well backed fav for the irish gn at fairyhouse, travelling and jumping well he ran out a good winner ,soft ground will suit and a staying trip obv suits rated 156 if he can continue on the upward curve he could be a bit of value for the gold cup at 50/1 with billys .
selection gold cup ......burrows saint 50/1 1 point each way ..............opinions welcome !
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Report buddeliea January 3, 2020 1:35 PM GMT
Should probably include LIT as well that weren't his true running last time.
Report impossible123 January 3, 2020 2:14 PM GMT
This year's renewal will be significantly more taxing to ABP given the presence of Lost and Santini assuming Santini recaptures the form of last season similarly, Lost in the Betfair Chase; Kemboy, if he runs to potential, and Cheltenham is not a bogey venue.

The others can stay at home, all things being equal. They had their chances, and exposed eg Presenting Percy.
Report FOYLESWAR January 3, 2020 2:29 PM GMT
wish it was as simple as that ^^^^
Report impossible123 January 3, 2020 2:40 PM GMT
Nothing in horse racing is simple, and it's only simple post a race when the form has been vindicated. Just look back at the run of Champ in The Dipper; the wayward horse was let down by his "experienced" jockey not on-top of the task-at-hand. Fir instance, his jockey was looking around rather focusing and trying to minimise or prevent the waywardness of Champ . I think his previous race behaviour would have been alarm-bell for any other jockey!

Thank-goodness, nothing untoward came from that unfortunate/unnecessary spill.
Report buddeliea January 3, 2020 3:31 PM GMT
Indeed Foyles,and in truth its far from simple.

Has ABP improved now hes 8 with more experience?,likely I would think.
Have DW and Santini improved from their novice season? Certainly Looks like DW has given hes just beat proven Grade 1 performers.
Make your own mind up re Santinis performance at Sandown, but I think hes entitled to have improved.
Just a few questions that I think have the answer to,but by no means definite.
That's without LIT who at his form with BDM puts him bang in the picture,and Kemboy with his form in beating ABP last season.
Report duffy January 4, 2020 6:37 PM GMT
I'd be fascinated to see Santini in headgear, he has loads of ability but he is very awkward, his head carriage wasn't great in the RSA but in his debut this season it was very clear. As he hit the front he stuck his head in the air and pulled himself up, but close to home with a horse next to him he bowed his head and stuck on.

Some form of headgear is essential for him to realize his potential, with it and provided it works he'd be interesting.
Report buddeliea January 8, 2020 5:07 PM GMT
31 entries.
No notable withdrawals.........let's hope it stays that way!!
Report buddeliea January 25, 2020 8:01 AM GMT
Bristol de mai,maybe a bit of an overlook?
Good run last year finishing 3rd,could place again,would not be a total shock as he's pretty consistent.
50/1 currently available.
That may not be later today.
Small e/w bet for me.
Report buddeliea January 25, 2020 8:05 AM GMT
And he's a lot bigger  price than some he beat last year,and being a nine year old is fine.
Report buddeliea January 25, 2020 2:58 PM GMT
Ran well again today,had he not made that error 3rd last would have been very close.
Santini now 7/1.
I would expect Santini to beat him again over the Gold Cup conditions,but still feel at the prices hes value for a place.
Report shlotter January 28, 2020 1:29 AM GMT
1. Chris's Dream
2. Delta Work
3. Santini
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 January 28, 2020 8:32 AM GMT
Twiston Davies apparently has had a rare bet on BDM at 33/1.
Surely it’s a better Gold Cup this year with the 2019 Gold Cup and JLT horses all looking smart.
Report FOYLESWAR January 29, 2020 4:17 PM GMT
sizing john out for the season
Report impossible123 January 29, 2020 7:24 PM GMT
A bit of money for the quirky chappie probably trainer comments induced after his triumph at the weekend. The price of Lostintranslation is bigger than quirky chappie despite beating the same horse over that horse's fav track, and more convincing too.

I hope (and expect) Kemboy to do the business in Ireland this weekend.
Report miltons sophie January 29, 2020 7:56 PM GMT
Duffy .... you have created a monster
Report buddeliea February 1, 2020 8:06 AM GMT
Quiet important race tomorrow in terms of the Gold Cup.
To be honest I am not expecting too much difference in prices after the race.
Kemboy should have improved for his run fto,and DW should have improved for experience,probable improvement from PP as well.
Hard race to call tomorrow, and we also have Chris's Dream and Bellshill who both could upset the more fancied runners in the betting.Its possible some could be more forward than others, and possible some have this race as their big one as opposed to Cheltenham.
Whatever happens none of them will have proved without doubt they could suit a Gold Cup with the extra distance and the uphill finish.
I think one will have to win very well for a price to differ that much for March, probably Kemboy the only chance of that happening imo.
Personally I hope to see DW run a nice race for my pocket,and I wish him well!!
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 3:44 PM GMT
proper race that.
DW winning today was a bonus,dont see any behind beating him at Cheltenham.
Think the RSA needs recognising now.
Report Hibore February 2, 2020 3:47 PM GMT
Delta and Santini rematch. Best form this year so far
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 3:51 PM GMT
ABP is the big threat. Native River will ensure a proper race.
The way DW and Kemboy finished today suggests DW is the stronger stayer out of those two.
Report Hibore February 2, 2020 3:53 PM GMT
ABP was beaten by Kemboy. Kemboy was beaten by Delta. Santini beat Delta.

Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 3:59 PM GMT
Yeh but different distances and a different year.
ABP is proven at the GC distance, Kemboy aint.
DW looks to me a horse that's improved a fair bit,i am not so sure Santini has as much.
But one thing for sure,the RSA is proving THE race.
Report impossible123 February 2, 2020 4:09 PM GMT
I'm slightly disappointed Kemboy could not beat Delta Work; he was a bit sticky at a few of his fences. Delta Work deserved to win, but I've not lost hope on Kemboy (yet) as it could be the sticky ground which was not to his liking. Maybe he'd make the running on good ground in the Gold Cup. But, Presenting Percy had every chance, but was not good enough.

Let's hope Lostintranslation brings his A-game next month, and gives us a thriller!
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 4:13 PM GMT
So excuses for Kemboy and none for PP. my dad used to say if you haven’t got anything kind to say don’t say anything at all so I won’t but try and read my mind
Report impossible123 February 2, 2020 5:17 PM GMT
Your dad was sensible and diplomatic, but diplomacy does not always apply to horse racing where differing opinions are aplenty, and just as valid given the right provisos; the sticky ground could be the decider with Kemboy today, I believe, as he seemed not able to jump fluently like he did at Aintree and Punchestown.

I've not given up on him, if anything, will wait a few days before backing him at 10.5 here. If Cheltenham Gold Cup is on good going he's the one for me; distance is less relevant as I believe he did not lose further ground to Delta Work today despite the ground.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 5:24 PM GMT
DW finished the race stronger than Kemboy,and did extend the lead last 100 yards or so.
It points to one staying the extra distance better than the other.
I think it best to know when to cease a belief you had.
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 5:30 PM GMT
People have questioned the prices of a number of the GC runners. Duffy i am not picking on you but remember your comment as it made me chuckle I think you described santini price as filth. Perhaps somebody/ some people take a stab at a book and maybe I can get a bet on as vast majority of the bookmakers won’t let me
Report impossible123 February 2, 2020 5:36 PM GMT
Maybe, but I'm not totally convinced that was the case today; Kemboy found jumping out of today's ground taxing, I believe. Maybe the watering (why?) did him a dis-service today, and helped Delta Work who'd prefer soft underfoot.

Santini beating BDM in that manner eg had to be rousted-up to be with the pace, BDM more effective at Haydock, and is now priced 5/1 I'd describe the price extremely skinny despite holding a 12/1 antepost ticket for him with 'sly'; only consolation is his juvenile form last season was slightly more superior than that of Delta Work.

Lostintranslation (if soft) and Kemboy (if good) are the ones for me along with Santini; ABP only in small trebles; no bet on Delta Work.
Report penzance February 2, 2020 5:46 PM GMT
the way Kemboy won his races last year and the
way he finished today,I believe he will get
the Gold Cup trip.Who's to say Delta Work will
get it,until they run no one knows.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 5:50 PM GMT
Well we wont know for sure till March,thats correct.
But do you think Kemboy looked more likely to appreciate the Gold Cup trip than DW?
Report FOYLESWAR February 2, 2020 5:55 PM GMT
such a shame topofthegame had a setback would have been great to see how he went this season
Report penzance February 2, 2020 5:58 PM GMT
last years wins for Kemboy says he'll stay.
Report Hibore February 2, 2020 6:05 PM GMT
Which races were those ?
Report penzance February 2, 2020 6:09 PM GMT
the ones he beat a King George winner 9L
and a Gold Cup wnr 2L and other 3m chases
finishing strongly.
Report Hibore February 2, 2020 6:15 PM GMT
Both 6min 30 sec flat track good/soft ground. Frodon could stay one of those Laugh
Report penzance February 2, 2020 6:17 PM GMT
worry about time when your inside.
You've your opinion,I've got mine.
Report Hibore February 2, 2020 6:19 PM GMT
Report penzance February 2, 2020 6:20 PM GMT
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 6:37 PM GMT
Have you an answer to my question?
Report penzance February 2, 2020 6:47 PM GMT
he was beat today by a better horse on the day.
I believe if they both stand up in the GC,Kemboy
will finish in front of Delta Work.Last years winner
the only horse I'm worried about.
Report impossible123 February 2, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
Kemboy ran and won going away over 3m 1f on good to soft (not sticky) which gave me more than hope he'd stay the Gold Cup trip. He was entered in a 3m 5f race which he fell at the 1st fence. Personally, the main concern is the ground. I think he found jumping out of the sticky ground tough.

On an easy sticky surface I'll have Lostintanslation and Santini over Delta Work; good, only Kemboy; Native River has had his Gold Cup.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 6:54 PM GMT
Ok,you don't have a direct answer to the question.

You think Kemboy will finish in front of DW at Chelt…..may I ask why,cos I may have missed something.
Report penzance February 2, 2020 6:56 PM GMT
because I think he'll win the Gold Cup,
can't make it any clearer.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 6:59 PM GMT
Again that's not an answer to the question.

You just think Kemboy will win the Gold Cup....ok.
Report penzance February 2, 2020 7:02 PM GMT
do you think Clan Des Obeaux will appreciate
the Gold Cup trip more than Delta Work,he did trounce
him earlier in the season?
Report impossible123 February 2, 2020 7:20 PM GMT
'penzance', no worries. I believe the sticky ground was a disadvantage to Kemboy, but not Delta Work.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 7:30 PM GMT
At the time I was confident that was not DW true running,and subsequent runs have confirmed that for me.
No I do not think CDO will appreciate the Gold Cup trip more than DW,hes tried and failed in the race.
I don't think DW will fail to appreciate the Gold Cup trip from what I have seen last two runs.
I also think Kemboy ran his race today,and was primed for it.

There yer go a proper answer.
Report penzance February 2, 2020 7:38 PM GMT
and I believe come Cheltenham,Kemboy will
be in front of Delta Work,as already said.
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 7:53 PM GMT
Forget it Budd it’s like arguing with my teenage daughter. Actually rowing, she,d put up a much better case. Pathetic
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 7:53 PM GMT
Report FOYLESWAR February 2, 2020 7:53 PM GMT
all about opinions and what makes a forum,be boring if everyone thought the same.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 7:54 PM GMT
Yeh,you said.
I was hoping for some help,some reasoning in case I have missed something.
Good luck Pen.
Report buddeliea February 2, 2020 7:59 PM GMT
Its an interesting and fascinating race Foyles,opinions are fine of course,but its good to have a discussion with reasoned thoughts on why those opinions exist.
None of us know whats going to win races at the festival,but its good if people share their thoughts in our quest to beat the bookie,can only help imo.
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 8:01 PM GMT
Foyles .... are you seriously saying that’s ok
Report penzance February 2, 2020 8:02 PM GMT
watch the races he won last year,as already posted.
He'll stay,wasn't stopping at he end of those races.
Report GAZO February 2, 2020 8:04 PM GMT
the way he jumped today he will be stopped at the first fence again
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 8:07 PM GMT
After he has clattered into everything to his right
Report penzance February 2, 2020 8:40 PM GMT
Delta Work may have a new jockey,
Kennedy's broke his leg,good jock aswell.
horse forum.
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2020 8:50 PM GMT
Christ the lad gets no luck
Report duffy February 3, 2020 12:01 AM GMT

What price you think Santini should be then? filth might have been pushing it a bit but he's a couple points too short as he has a big enough question to answer, nice to hear I made you "chuckle", I'm just returning the complimentGrin
Report buddeliea February 9, 2020 7:33 AM GMT
Native River looks in good form.
If conditions suit on the day I can see him running a big race.
Report impossible123 February 9, 2020 11:57 AM GMT
Native River will run his usual big race, but he's definitely not as good as he was when winning this in 2018. Also, there's that small predicament about the 5 "pretenders" eg ABP, Santini, Lostintranslation, Delta Work and Kemboy. I think a place at best for native River.
Report buddeliea February 9, 2020 12:21 PM GMT
Well he is priced to place at best, but if conditions on the day are suited to the horse,and maybe not so much for others,then the form he seems to be in would give him a chance of another Gold Cup.
He will certainly make it an honest race.
Report Callisto-moon February 9, 2020 7:03 PM GMT
none of you have mentioned the actual winner yet!!!
Report irishone February 9, 2020 7:56 PM GMT
I think in all the chat last year al boum photo was only mentioned once !
Report duffy February 10, 2020 5:11 PM GMT
That's one more mention than the Arkle winner got.!!
Report Callisto-moon February 10, 2020 6:10 PM GMT
I will give the winner one mention, Santini.
Report Callisto-moon February 10, 2020 6:11 PM GMT
You would have to be off your face to be backing anyone else!
Report Hibore February 10, 2020 7:31 PM GMT
Which race is Santini running in ? Never heard of it.

Maybe we should start a thread Laugh
Report Callisto-moon February 10, 2020 7:51 PM GMT
just seen that Cool

cert of a bet.
Report duffy February 18, 2020 4:20 PM GMT
Mark Walsh rides Delta Work.
Report FOYLESWAR February 18, 2020 4:26 PM GMT
happy with that^^
Report buddeliea February 18, 2020 4:49 PM GMT
yep, me too.
Report FOYLESWAR February 18, 2020 4:53 PM GMT
budd did ya cover yourself with cilaos emery champ hurdle
Report buddeliea February 18, 2020 4:58 PM GMT
Nope,not sure about him to be honest Foyles,but may back on the day if price suits.
Ive made me mind up on the one I really fancy mate.
Report FOYLESWAR February 18, 2020 5:03 PM GMT
me neither budd but i took some 26 on here as i had done my dough on him in the champion chase so more hopefull than confident .
Report buddeliea February 18, 2020 5:05 PM GMT
26 not to be sneezed at mate,i should have done that.
Report duffy February 18, 2020 5:52 PM GMT
Why don't they just supplement the bloody mare and win the race !!!Grin
Report buddeliea February 18, 2020 6:50 PM GMT
Cos they know she aint good enough would be my guess
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 18, 2020 7:14 PM GMT
Those extra 4 furlongs in the mares will make all the difference for Benie
Report penzance February 19, 2020 11:41 AM GMT
Native River a n/r.
Report impossible123 February 19, 2020 12:01 PM GMT
Yep, out for the season thro' an injury. Commiseration backers.
Report buddeliea February 19, 2020 12:55 PM GMT
Report Hibore February 19, 2020 1:21 PM GMT
Real shame...but B365 money back to put on Santini Cool
Report FOYLESWAR February 19, 2020 1:42 PM GMT
bad luck backers .
Report woodham February 19, 2020 10:17 PM GMT
AlBoum to repeat for me. Not original I know but.... am on ante post and will stay with it i think
Report muse February 19, 2020 11:05 PM GMT
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Real shame...but B365 money back to put on Santini Cool

LOL Hibore.  That's the spirit.

I did my prawns on NR to win the National.  Thought it was a terrific bet.  I just hope the horse is OK.
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 February 21, 2020 11:03 AM GMT
So Kemboy and Monalee will now have things easier upfront without NR.
Report shlotter February 21, 2020 11:04 PM GMT
1. chris's dream
2. delta work
3. santini
Report impossible123 February 26, 2020 5:06 PM GMT
Can anyone seriously believe CDO will stay the trip? I fully understand he won the King George (KG) doing handstand (against two non-stayers), and his price seems generous. But, he did not last year after a similar KG performance.

Silviniaco Conti won the KG 2x, and 2x did not stay the trip here; Presenting Percy is exposed, and as ran to merit in the Irish Gold Cup; BDM will again finish behind Santini or Lostintraslation (all things being equal).

The Irish are enigmas as no form to link them with English horses.
Report impossible123 February 26, 2020 5:07 PM GMT
except Delta Work with Santini.
Report nocturnal February 26, 2020 7:59 PM GMT

More complete bollax

Try comparing CDO with Kauto Star,as his trainer did last week.

Theres a village out there missing somebody.
Report irishone February 26, 2020 8:08 PM GMT
He is totally clueless on horse racing and a proper racist to boot
Report Tiger Tiger February 26, 2020 8:36 PM GMT
I'm happy with my 5/1 about Al Boum to repeat last years feat. Same route as last year, a year older and wiser and in his prime. Bring it on.
Report impossible123 February 27, 2020 9:18 AM GMT
Trainer said Politologue would stay the King George trip. Similarly, Silviniaco Conti (Gold Cup). This year there is more depth too with a few unexposed runners eg Santini, Delta Work and Lostintranslation.

If CDO had not run last year he'd be no more than 3/1 as there would be little stamina doubt; 8/1 presently says a lot.
Report irishone February 27, 2020 11:09 AM GMT
Absolute bow lux ...

Delta work just won two grade ones

How much further do you want him exposed ?
Report irishone February 27, 2020 11:11 AM GMT
Oh sorry....

Forgot you dont watch irish racing do you? Too far beneath you ?
Report impossible123 March 12, 2020 8:02 PM GMT
Lostintranslation is friendless. And, according to connections he's had a wind-op and a low profile prep just like Samcro post his dismal King George run. This worked the oracle with Samcro thus I hope it works for Lostintranslation too.
Report irishone March 12, 2020 8:41 PM GMT
Rain tonight , going to be mega sticky tomorrow, as it was today
Report irishone March 13, 2020 6:13 PM GMT
Well done tiger
Report impossible123 March 14, 2020 5:27 PM GMT
If Santini or Lostintranslation had prevailed I'd have a small bundle going on Pinatubo to look forward to in May, assuming the event will take place. So close yet so far that's the name of the game; Messrs Mullins and Elliot.
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