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buddeliea
27 Jan 19 14:10
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My feeling  at this early stage of his career is Champ is going to be a top top horse, and hes a worthy favourite.
Sadly I have missed the boat and have no nice antepost voucher.
I do have a nice price for Brewinupastorm however, and was impressed with him yesterday, until the last.
Will stick with that, and add Champ at some stage.
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Report impossible123 January 27, 2019 3:43 PM GMT
I'm still open-minded on this race, and sheer luck taken 20/1 on Battleoverdoyen after his 1st win in Ireland; Champ is a good horse but pacy - missed the price. Nevertheless, insurance in doubles and trebles only given his short price.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 January 27, 2019 5:01 PM GMT
Where do we think Birchdale will go? Having backed him at 25s for this i have a feeling that after yesterday the logical race is the potato Shocked
Report buddeliea January 27, 2019 5:22 PM GMT
Guess it depends if they want to split him and Champ.
Hes similar price for both races and has shortened for both races.
Bigger prices for Supreme available.
Watching him yesterday he looks to me like both the longer races would suit him ok.
Report buddeliea January 27, 2019 5:29 PM GMT
Considering plans for his strong team of novice hurdlers, Henderson said: "They'll all be in all the novice hurdles, which close next week. We've just got to sort out where they go. I'm not sure this horse wants three miles yet.

You may be ok STS.
Report impossible123 January 27, 2019 5:35 PM GMT
I understand Hendo is well represented in the Supreme. Nevertheless, could Champ go the Supreme route? He's pacy, and with stamina too.
Report buddeliea January 27, 2019 5:52 PM GMT
Possible he could go Supreme.
Don't think he will,think the Ballymore will be his race.
But ground and how his other horses are near the time may play a part in decisions.

Have backed him in a double with Angels Breath,but if he aint in the Ballymore it would give Brewinupastorm more chance ,so I have mixed feelings personally.
Report impossible123 January 27, 2019 6:01 PM GMT
All being well I'll lay off some on Battleoverdoyen in the next couple of weeks; just 45 days to the race.
Report the bloob January 27, 2019 9:17 PM GMT
I think Brewingupastorm gave a boost the the form of Champ yesterday, and would have won the race had he stood up
Report buddeliea January 27, 2019 9:22 PM GMT
Yeh my gut feeling was he would have won as well,but certainly not definite.

Have a feeling the Ballymore this year could produce some good ones.
Report irishone January 27, 2019 10:39 PM GMT
Willie has one , im all over it, ruby luvs it
EASY GAME
Report duffy January 28, 2019 2:40 AM GMT
I like another one of JP's in Rhinestone who's star has slipped a little but ran a lot better last time than the bare form suggests, I be backing him for this race or preferably the AB, he yet end up in the MP if his mark is favourable, but quite like him.
Report buddeliea January 28, 2019 7:55 AM GMT
33/1 Irish
Big price for a mullins novice
Worth a tenner??
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 5, 2019 1:27 PM GMT
CAREFULLY SELECTED - 22/1 - with WPM - out 2.45 P/stown Sunday in 2m4f Maiden hdl - get on imho Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 5, 2019 1:29 PM GMT
75's here Excited
Report Somerset Sam February 5, 2019 2:09 PM GMT

Feb 5, 2019 -- 1:27PM, Catch Me ifyoucan wrote:


CAREFULLY SELECTED - 22/1 - with WPM - out 2.45 P/stown Sunday in 2m4f Maiden hdl - get on imho


I'm always against horses who've ran in the Bumper coming back to the Festival.

Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 5, 2019 10:00 PM GMT
Only they have been very careful with this lad - with very few runs.
Report irishone February 5, 2019 10:46 PM GMT
CHAMPAGNE FEVER .....
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 5, 2019 10:56 PM GMT
Spot on
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 5, 2019 11:05 PM GMT
13Mar19 Che 2m. 5f. 4y+ H (125K)(Grd 1)……..WILLIE's other entries......
Allaho
Annamix
Aramon
Blackbow
Breaken
Carefully Selected
Castlebawn West
Come To Me
Concertista
Dorrells Pierji
Earth Day
Easy Game
Eglantine Du Seuil
Elfile
Elite Charboniere
Face The Facts
Fast Buck
Francin
Getareason
Harrie
Ifyoucatchmenow
Karl Der Grosse
Klassical Dream
Mister Blue Sky
My Sister Sarah
Prince D'Aubrelle
Relegate
Robin De Carlow
Salsaretta
Tornado Flyer
Vent D'automne
Voix Des Tiep
Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 6:00 AM GMT

Feb 5, 2019 -- 10:46PM, irishone wrote:


CHAMPAGNE FEVER .....


I'll give you 15 that flop for everyone you name. Gigginstown seem to agree as well.

Report buddeliea February 6, 2019 7:05 AM GMT
Cue Card werent bad!!!

You do have a fair point though Sam,Race been going since 1992,and off top of my head can only think of 2 others that went on to win another festival race.Florida Pearl and Monsignor.
Report johnslad February 6, 2019 11:35 AM GMT
Pissaro
Report johnslad February 6, 2019 11:36 AM GMT
1st 1 Montelado
Report irishone February 6, 2019 12:06 PM GMT
I'll give you twenty that flop when they go back !
30 runners in the bumper
26/28 Cheltenham festival races per year
Even if the first three came back and won each year
you would have 25+ that didnt
Report buddeliea February 6, 2019 12:11 PM GMT
I thought maybe he meant bumper winners?
Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 12:23 PM GMT

Feb 6, 2019 -- 12:06PM, irishone wrote:


I'll give you twenty that flop when they go back !30 runners in the bumper26/28 Cheltenham festival races per yearEven if the first three came back and won each year you would have 25+ that didnt


When was the last time there were 30 runners in the Bumper?!

It's all about opinions but I firmly believe that young horses who run / win the festival Bumper rarely develop into top notch G1 performers. Since 1992, only 2 winners of the Champion Hurdle, Gold Cup, Stayers Hurdle or Champion Chase had previously ran in the Bumper. Surely you can concede that you'd expect that figure to be higher?

Is that down to the stresses of the race at such an early stage of their career? Perhaps
Would they have been the same animal regardless? Perhaps.

On this occasion I'm inclined to side with Gigginstown. If that helps me rule out the sexier types year on year then I'm happy to go with it. You have your opinions, I'll have mine.

Report duffy February 6, 2019 3:45 PM GMT
Cue Card
On His Own
Cinders and Ashes
Felix Yonger
The New One
Jezki
Many Clouds
Sizing Tennessee
Black Hercules
Killultagh Vic
Definitely Red
Yanworth
Supasundae
Bellshill
Bacardy's
Augusta Kate


That's just the last 10 years of Bumper "also rans"

If someone gave me that lot I'd take it.
Report duffy February 6, 2019 3:46 PM GMT
cue card won, don't include him, aside from the winners that list is of course.
Report duffy February 6, 2019 3:49 PM GMT
You have had a National winner, Champion hurdler, Ballymore winner, a Gold cup placed horse, Supreme winner, Hennessy winner, JLT winner, Stayers hurdle winner, from just the also rans.
Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 4:20 PM GMT

Feb 6, 2019 -- 3:45PM, duffy wrote:


Cue CardOn His OwnCinders and AshesFelix YongerThe New OneJezkiMany CloudsSizing TennesseeBlack HerculesKillultagh VicDefinitely RedYanworth SupasundaeBellshillBacardy'sAugusta KateThat's just the last 10 years of Bumper "also rans"If someone gave me that lot I'd take it.


I can play this game too. You take your list and I'll have all of Gigginstown and

Denman
Kauto Star
Bobs Worth
Long Run
Coneygree
Djakadam
Buveur Dair
Faugheen
Hurricane Fly
Big Bucks
Altior
Sprinter Sacre
Master Minded

to name but a few. And if you want to go further back I'll have Arkle, One Man and Dessie too!

Its all about opinions.

Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 4:34 PM GMT
Ps Felix Yonger and quite a few others?!
Would be nowhere near a list of noteworthy NH horses by anybody other than the lass who wiped their @rse's in the mornings (even then perhaps!).
Report duffy February 6, 2019 4:39 PM GMT
Your list is pointless, if you want to hand pick some of the greatest horses of all time against horses that come out of a single race I will happily concede that you will always have the better listCrazyCrazy

The point that you were making originally was that it was a practical graveyard for horses going forward, It clearly isn't.
Report duffy February 6, 2019 4:47 PM GMT
I'll retract the Stayer's hurdle claimBlush
Report Somerset Sam February 6, 2019 4:49 PM GMT
No my point was that I avoid horses who've ran in the Cheltenham Bumper at future Cheltenham Festivals. Why you're quoting Hennessys and Grand Nationals only you know.

If it means I miss a Ballymore winner every 10 years I'll take it. GL.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 6, 2019 10:32 PM GMT
Would they have been the same animal regardless? Perhaps.
Report Catch Me ifyoucan February 13, 2019 9:36 PM GMT
Allaho runs tomoro Wink
Report irishone March 11, 2019 3:59 PM GMT
Ruby ruby ruby ruby
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 13, 2019 11:33 AM GMT
buddeliea 27 Jan 19 13:10 My feeling  at this early stage of his career is Champ is going to be a top top horse, and hes a worthy favourite.

7/2 fav - see no reason to change your mind Devil
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 13, 2019 11:35 AM GMT
btw Allaho is in the ALbert B on Friday Wink
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 13, 2019 12:16 PM GMT
Anyone talk up Galway winner CITY ISLAND on here ?
Report Catch Me ifyoucan March 13, 2019 1:48 PM GMT
YepDevil
Report FOYLESWAR March 13, 2019 2:25 PM GMT
well done good call
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