The Tullow Tank

Thats exactly how I see it tom. He might not have the tactical speed for the race and if gets behind in the Supreme its much harder to win, than it is in a 5 runner race in Ireland. Gues they will see what happens in the Deloitte as 2m2f on testing ground should shed some light on his stamina.

He's won on good ground in Ireland in a Grade 1 over two miles off a slowish pace.A fast run 2 miles on watered ground at Cheltenham should be perfect imo.Definitely should go for the supreme in my opinion.

There is a 5f difference between the Supreme & the Neptune CCM, quite a big difference particularly for a novice. Being strong at the end of his races is just what you want really and you know nothing will be finishing better.

Bally, it was no foregone conclusion Oscars Well would have won, but he would have placed.

Actually, given the subsequent form he has showed and the fact he is quite soft in a finish, i'd be pretty sure ROR & FL would have nailed him at the finish.

i think he's similar to champagne fever,He wasn't exactly blessed with a turn of foot,But at the business end of the supreme u need a horse that will grind it out and this fellow will certainly do that

Brave Inca MK II if you ask me.

It's gonna be the Supreme gents, and what's more he'll win. My advice is to geton the 10s available now before he runs Sunday

SO WE HAVE A FORTNIGHT THEN

Not at all sure his forms up to the price he is for both the novice hurdles,horses hes beaten aint up to much.
Not for me at this stage.

Can see this swept off its feet in a Supreme to be honest but power home in a Neptune.anyway...no one knows until the Deloitte.just guessing until then

Very little in Neptune also whereas Supreme will be way more competitive

Really surprised at these  thoughts. To me he's by far and away the standout for the supreme at the moment and I wouldn't back irvine at 20's with someone else's money. Horses who have raced on the flat don't place in the supreme let alone win it.

Bar the hype horses of Vautour and West Wizard I don't see what beats it at the moment

Their seems to be a few raving about him,to be honest I look at the formbook and have to wonder why.
Bally, you seem to like him,perhaps you could explain why??

Or you Tory??

Vautours form is full of horses that have won races,i don't see that with TTT.!!

Haven't done the form to any great extent but if you haven't go and watch his novice hurdle win. He gets trapped and shows a serious turn of foot to get out and win easily.

Just looked at the market. Already said why I don't like irvine, can't believe josses hill is really up to winning a supreme (if he is then what the hell is Faugheen!!), don't know much about valsuer lido to be honest, zamdy man needs a bog, both Vautour and Tullow tank hold western boy, never even heard of Aklan, first Mohican prob won't run, the liquidator has a serious question to answer now .....

Weak

Haven't done the form to any great extent but if you haven't go and watch his novice hurdle win. He gets trapped and shows a serious turn of foot to get out and win easily.

Just looked at the market. Already said why I don't like irvine, can't believe josses hill is really up to winning a supreme (if he is then what the hell is Faugheen!!), don't know much about valsuer lido to be honest, zamdy man needs a bog, both Vautour and Tullow tank hold western boy, never even heard of Aklan, first Mohican prob won't run, the liquidator has a serious question to answer now .....

Weak

Sorry about the double post.

Vautour beat Mr Fiftyone by 11 3/4 lengths - TTT beat him by 13

I can't believe people keeping taking the Bumper form of Faugheen and using it as a marker to gauge others horses. A flat race is totally different to a hurdle race. Josses Hill beat Communicator over hurdles the other week, who had previously finished 5th in the November Hamdicap and was 2nd in a class 2 conditions race at Lingfield the other day, but I wouldn't try to equate the form tbh, even if you could argue it is a boost.

Yeh I have seen his races,he looks ok and I aint ruling him out as such,just not that excited about him as you and a few others seem to be.
I think the race with Vautour and Western Boy shows the best Irish nov form over 2m.
Prefer Irving out of all of them so far, but its not a race I would be too confident about picking the winner right now!!

Mr Fiftyone was 6th when TTT beat him,not sure that's too reliable in comparing him to finishing 3rd to Vautour.
I would think a horse that finishes 6th would have had the jockey easing off a tad.
Still I guess literally it says their aint a lot between them,but it would not be form I would use to work out which is the best out the 2 of them.

Buddelia has a fairly valid point about some of TTT'S form not working out but it's hard not to be visually impressed by him and it doesn't look a vintage supreme.

TTT'S defeat of Turnandgo at Naas was very eyecatching and although Turnandgo didn't complete his only start since,there is little doubting he has plenty of ability (you can't directly compare bumper form but he did beat Captain Cutter off levels by 9 lengths at Punchestown).The third horse at Naas-O maonli has subsequently failed to frank the form.

TTT's Fairyhouse form has also not really being franked with Renetti (unlucky fell when going to win),arctic fire and Mr.Fiftyone all beaten since.

The merit of his leopardstown form is questionable beating King of the Picts (had previously been beaten in moderate contests),Moyle park (not sure if that was his running)and arctic fire.

Is TTT still set to clash with Faugheen on February 9th over 2m 2f??

I am not sure what to make of him (but probably prefer to have him onside still) and feel there is a fair chance that he could be outpaced in a supreme on genuinely good ground (probably unlikely on the opening day imo)

Budd he's won two Grade Ones  for starters.

Don't get me wrong Budd, I'm not in any way at all raving about him in the same way as I am Faugeen in the Neptune for example. I'm simply at this stage saying that he's probably the best of a non exceptional bunch. I have backed him now for the supreme at 10/1 NRFB  simply because I think it's the best value in the race at the moment - how many other dual grade one winners are in the betting? The only two I'm eagerly waiting to see run again are Vautour and west wizard.

Sint - entirely agree that it's not comparing apples for apples however, it is a decent guide to a horse's inherent ability and he didn't just beat him, he smashed him by 22 lengths.

Danny Mullins is a major negative in a race that takes a bit of riding like the supreme.

Agreed. How many times has he actually ever ridden at chelt?

Not just any race either - it's the first race on the first day!

Ok Bally,hes won 2 grade 1's has he. All well and good, but the form aint working out.
Look at the form of Vautour.
I know which one I prefer.
Still,come March TTT might be the one, just his form dont say so.

I've backed him for the Neptune, so looks like I'll be getting my money back as a free bet.

It would concern me though how Moyle Park got him off the bridle so easily lto. Ok, he did pick up and the Supreme will be a furious pace, but I feel he may lack the tactical speed within his race if he needs to get out of a hole, similar to Jezki lto.

Vautour??whos he beat?usual "cos he's Mullins he must be good" for me

It would be a mistake for The Tullow Tank to run in Supreme.would be off bridle a lot sooner than most whereas in Neptune what we got?Faugheen?Anything else?

Bally,im looking at form,not the trainer!!   Jesus!!!!

Hes beaten better horses than TTT has,and they have franked the form.

Vautour has better form than The Tullow Tank who has won 2 Grade Ones? Who has Vautour beat? Haven't really looked to be honest.All I saw lto was that he took forever to get home and I thought Supreme favourite???

well take a look then mate.
grade 1's are only as good as the horses taking part in them.

Name the better horses that Vautour has beat....

Just have a look for yourself,all the forms available.
Look at what Lieutenant Colenel,Western Boy and Kylestyle have done in their races.

Then look at what horses that TTT has run against,you will then see why I have the opinion that Vautour form is better.

Western Boy - won a maiden hurdle

Mr Fiftyone - beat him 11 lengths but The Tank beat him 13

Lieutenant Colonel - won a maiden hurdle

Kylestyle - hasn't ran against Vautour has he? Or do I need to put my specs on. But he's 1/4 in hurdles.

You not very good at reading form it appears.

Each to their own to be honest mate but I've just pointed out who Vautour has beat and what they have done. You're not exactly making any points to back up why you think the horses Vautour has beat are superior to what The Tullow Tank has. You've even quoted a nag Vautour hasn't even raced against.

All my points are backed up by looking at the form, I aint listing all of it when all you have to do is look on the RP site.
For example,yes,Kylestyle has not run against Vautour,but he did get beat by Western Boy,and then was impressive in winning next time out. Theres a fair bit of winning form all over Vautour if you look, very little surrounding TTT.

Yes, each to their own mate.

Plenty that TTT has beat have nt been out since so hard to say he has beat nothin - threw a few bits up on him and the race yesterday.



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Just quoting the formbook BJG,whats there is there.
Im not saying Vautour is a better horse than TTT.
Just talking about the form that's in the book thus far.

I said that if u read it

yeh,good bit of writing that.

Fenton states today that Supreme is favoured, but will step up in trip for the Deloitte, and the ground will decide his festival target.

Nothing really that we didn't already know, but Fenton is sounding pretty bullish.

I've backed him for the Neptune NRFB, but won't be going in for the Supreme, but good luck to those who have.

Hope there is enough pace in the race today.

Great ride from Ruby. Could well have seen the Supreme first and second there. Think the tank could struggle to reverse placings though.

do you think they will step tullow tank up in trip can't catch??

Trainer originally talked about the neptune for TTT, he was spot on based on that run today, needs further.

I've said plenty of times on here that I don't think he's quite quick enough over 2m, but obviously a stronger run race will help him.

I'd still like him to go to the Neptune (from a racing and pocket point of view), but I agree CCM, Vautour looked very impressive and looked to have a lot more in hand if he needed it.

Had the better form,and has now proved the better horse.
TTT had a fair bit of effort form his jockey just to get close,and did not really do that anyway.
Ruby hands and heels.
Very impressive from Vautour.

I am not sure that conclusively proved he wants further. A scorching pace in the Supreme will help massively IMO. Vautour very much had the race run to suit him.

They'd be taking a chance on there being a strong pace, whereas in the longer race they've got a more guaranteed stamina required race.

especially with walsh up front.

Very surprised at Mullins seemingly throwing the towel in on beating Vautour on a rematch

If the Tullow tank goes for the supreme rather than the Neptune ill pish myself laughin.serious chance in Neptune

Fenton hinted strongly post race ( interviewed on Irish TV ) that TTT would go for the Neptune

He said he was goin Neptune - sadly for me him and Faugheen gonna av to meet but alas

https://soundcloud.com/sportinglife/philip-fenton

Last min of the interview

Right decision IMO, be tough beating faugheen though

Trainer is hinting he did not have him fit yesterday fwiw, Supreme still an option.

Hinting he didn't have him fit?? I know some trainers like to put us away but Fenton in yesterdays RP, He looks the one to beat. he's in top form and leaping out of his skin.

Wonder if the ATR boys have got over his defeat yet?? they must have clubbed together and had all their savings on TTT by the way they were talking yesterday,before and after the race.
Even interviewed the jockey before Walsh after the race!!...don't see that very often.

Agree Budd they had plenty of excuses. Dont believe he would beat Vautour in a month of Sundays.

Feb 10, 2014 -- 11:20AM, buddeliea wrote:

Wonder if the ATR boys have got over his defeat yet?? they must have clubbed together and had all their savings on TTT by the way they were talking yesterday,before and after the race.Even interviewed the jockey before Walsh after the race!!...don't see that very often.

It was shocking pocket talking of the highest order. To suggest Ruby stole the race is an insult. As for Fenton he wants to speak to his jockey who got it spot on in the post race interview "beaten by the better horse"

Ruby hardly used the whip. The did all go on about TTT. They couldn't see past Don Cossack either.

They were all saying that Danny M let Ruby have too much of a lead.. At most it was about three or four lengths and the way they all went on it sounded like he nicked a ten length lead! I hope Mick Mitz and the boy next to him steamed in and done there cobs

Not sure on what basis TTT can beat Vautour. DM did lay a bit far out of his ground and made a mistake at a crucial stage but Vautour travelled and jumped really well. Who knows though....they're not machines and maybe TTT just had an off day. If the form booked always worked out, there would be no bookmakers.

I have backed him for the Supreme so obvs want him to go there, but didnt Fenton say the Supreme was the target a few weeks ago, another one putting punters away. Still genuinely think TTT is high class.

Was shockingly embarrassing stuff.
Before the race TTT was the best since sliced bread,and after the race when they did the replay all they talked about was TTT,and how he got beat,jockey let him go off too far ahead,made a couple of mistakes etc etc,yet hardly a mention of Vautour doing it from the front pretty much with comfort really.
Then they interview TTT's jockey as they are being led in after the race.

They really did not like their horse being well beaten,and it seemed to me they just could not handle it.
TV pundits??

TTT  was the first horse off the track, which is why he was interviewed first. although I suppose chapman could have sprinted past TTT and jockey interviewed ruby then hotfooted it back to speak to mullins, yeah that makes perfect sense....

So how many times have you seen the jockey of the 2nd home interviewed straight after the race??
One for me as far as I can recall...that was Sunday.

im not disagreeing with you matey, its just how it played out on the day is all im saying it is live after all

Vautour won in identical front running style to how Pont Alexandre won his races last year - he then went off a silly price favourite for Cheltenham and got stuffed. Just saying like.

And Faugheen could go likewise also when The Tullow Tank looms up. Grade 3 winner who's never had to battle v double Grade One winner who knows how to fight

Possible,if TTT is good enough,though I have my doubts.

If the Tank was trained by Mullins and Faugheen trained by Fenton the sheep would be saying "Faugheen hasn't beat anyone over hurdles and winning a Grade 3 at Limerick?big deal"...

I'm on both but odds on that's what would be said.

Still think he would be better in the Supreme myself.

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TTT  was the first horse off the track, which is why he was interviewed first. although I suppose chapman could have sprinted past TTT and jockey interviewed ruby then hotfooted it back to speak to mullins, yeah that makes perfect sense....

Spot on. I thought Chapman did the right thing tbh. It's not Channel 4 where they have to interview the winner straight away.

BTW, I would say Vautour was more at home on the Heavy ground than TTT was looking at how each horse travelled.

Well Sint, its the first time ive seen the 2nd interviewed straight after the race,as far as I remember.

Thought it was quiet pathetic coverage to be honest.

Agree cant remember ever seeing it before. I nearly got sick listening to them before the race.

Why would you not interview TTT's jockey when he walks right past you?

Agreed, and in this case it is far more informative finding out why TTT didn't win as opposed to hearing from a winning jock just how dandy everything was.

Who cares ? they provide very good coverage whenever i listen to them, and some folks are sweating their reaction to TTT ? get over it. Too many folk in the online racing 'community' are pedantic, and get flustered over the insignificant things. If you want to be offended, go and watch bbc news 24.

well said the more jockeys get interviewed the better,half the racing people whether jockeys,trainers or owners dont want 'us lot' to know anything !

Just don't think its very professional for pundits to be so biased to a horse just cos they have money on it,and virtually ignore a good performance from the one they aint backed. that's all really.

End of the day, I wont be losing sleep, but thought it worth pointing out, and appears i aint alone..

Anyway, Vautour put him in his place, and hes now in the Neptune.

So has it been confirmed?

Don't think it has sint and frankly, Fenton would be stupid making a commitment either way at this stage.

Sorry, thought he had said something.

Fenton mentioned he was leaning towards the Neptune in his post race comments budd but that may just have been a 'disappointed' reaction. Suspect they will leave it till much nearer racetime in order that they can assess the state of the ground and strength of the opposition.

Ok mate,apologies,thought it was a tad more certain.

Owner today is now saying Neptune.

Bollocks

"I'd say we're probably looking more towards the Neptune given the way he finishes his races - in all of his races he's been going strongest at the finish."

Still not conclusive is it!

trainers change their mind quicker than the mother in law, had this on another thread, could, should, would, probably, might, possibly, we think, is not a definitive answer imo

With the softest ground probably on day one and the horses preference for cut he could easily line up in the supreme

just don't see how he reverses with vautour to be honest.
vautour won comfortably and looked to have plenty left,whereas ttt was all out.
still different day,different venue...who knows!!

Will run in the Neptune.

yeh,does seem that way,and right thing to do imo.

Nice for you Bally.

I think the reason Chapman interviewed the second first was because RTE were already interviewing the winner

Tullow Tank rolls on to JLT test

The Tullow Tank is set to be prepared for the Cheltenham Festival following a much improved effort at Leopardstown.

A dual Grade One-winning hurdler last season for Philip Fenton, the seven-year-old sidestepped Cheltenham due to the controversy surrounding his now-suspended trainer, but has been given the green light to cross the water this year by current handler Sandra Hughes.

After getting his chasing career off to a flyer at Fairyhouse in November, he disappointed in both the Drinmore and Topaz Novice Chases, but fared better to finish fourth in the Flogas Novice Chase behind Apache Stronghold.

A potential rematch with the winner is on the cards in Cheltenham's JLT Novices' Chase on day three of the Festival.

Hughes said: "We were really pleased with him as he jumped exceptionally well, which is what we wanted to see.

"I don't think we'll get another run into him now, so the plan is to go straight to Cheltenham for the JLT."


Could it be that he has been raced undercooked all season and shown that he still retains ability. Might bring him on and could he? Just could he?