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By:
stevo1
When: 07 Feb 12 20:29
Harry re Minsk was in trainer file in Weekender, re Punchestown.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 07 Feb 12 20:43
Thanks stevo...
By:
harry callaghan
When: 07 Feb 12 20:45
Dessie Hughes would not be afraid of starting off the hurdling career of Minsk in the highest company.

A high-profile recruit out of John Oxx's stable, Minsk won the Irish Cesarewitch in October in good fashion before having his attentions switched to the winter game.

Hughes decided to give him a break after his exertions on the level, but is keen to get him started soon, with the spring festivals fast approaching.

"We got him in October time and gave him a break as he'd been in training a long time and we started him back before Christmas," said Hughes.

"We schooled him before we gave him a break when he was fit and he took to the hurdles very well so we were happy with that.

"He's back in work now - he's doing strong canters and he should be ready to run in the first week of February.

"He might run in the Grade One, the Spring Hurdle at Leopardstown (February 12), or the Winning Fair (Fairyhouse, February 25).

"I'd love to get two runs into him, which will be tight, but he does jump well.

"It's not definite that he'll be aimed at the Triumph, but when he was bought that was what he (owner, Barry Connell) had in mind.

"It won't be the end of the world if he doesn't get there without a couple of runs under his belt.

"If we're happy when he runs that one run will be enough, then he'll go there," the County Kildare handler told At The Races.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 07 Feb 12 20:47
he said this 3 weeks ago the last 2 paragraphs is what drew my eye...didn't seem that concerned about cheltenham just the horses welfare...
By:
harry callaghan
When: 07 Feb 12 20:48
Ah I don't know maybe he'll still run cannot figure these trainers out
By:
strontium
When: 07 Feb 12 20:50
It would worry me if any horse had less than 2 hurdle runs before the Triumph. I know Zarkander won after a single hurlde but he's the only one in 40 odd years iirc.
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 07 Feb 12 20:51
didnt seemed concered at all imo ?? truimph it is then 1 run or 2 before dont matter wins this weeknd then its celts SIMPLES Laugh
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 07 Feb 12 20:52
SO WHY WUD IT WORRY YOU ? this horse cud be champion hurdle material Happy
By:
strontium
When: 07 Feb 12 21:15
Could be, might not be. It hasn't jumped a hurdle in public yet.

It would worry me because it's asking a lot for a horse who's run in one hurdle to got to Cheltenham and beat 30 others in a Festival Grade 1.
By:
shockster
When: 07 Feb 12 21:17
Whatever wins the Triumph will be considered a Champion Hurdle contender.
By:
strontium
When: 07 Feb 12 21:20
^Usually wrongly!
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 07 Feb 12 21:20
obvious shocker ? but a contender and a possible contender too different arguments is it not , dessie says this could be the best hes had his hands on thats a bold statement
By:
shockster
When: 07 Feb 12 21:21
Yes not many have managed it, but you can bet it will be short enough in the market for 2013.
By:
shockster
When: 07 Feb 12 21:24
Cammy, I think Dermot Weld said Rite of Passage was a cert before the bumper in 2009. He's been known to train a winner too.
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 07 Feb 12 21:26
ye he did m8 but means plums imo Silly
By:
shockster
When: 07 Feb 12 21:30
Anyone know about Shamar with W Mullins.  Has form lines in France that puts him just in front of Pearl Swan?
By:
stevo1
When: 07 Feb 12 22:07
Cammy mate Minsk is not running this weekend.
By:
Shakepseare's Sheriff
When: 09 Feb 12 16:22
Dildar's lay price has hit 180 on here....should we read anything into that???  anyone got any news on the horse?
By:
BJG
When: 09 Feb 12 17:37
Last price matched:      21.00


Nothin major imo - Minsk was friendless earlier too
By:
marychain1
When: 09 Feb 12 18:40
Think people are just a bit reluctant to back it ahead of the weekend, cos there is going to be a lot of movement in the market, and Dildar is one of the ones not running
By:
marychain1
When: 09 Feb 12 18:44
Dildar will stay roughly the same price until a couple of days before the Adonis, the race Zarkander won last year, when Nicholls will say how pleased he is and how much it has come on for its last run, and then, assuming it wins or comes damn close to winning that, it will go off as one of the favourites on the day, imo.
By:
sintonian
When: 10 Feb 12 15:02
It's when the back odds get big you need to worry imo, not the lay odds.
By:
Slabster
When: 10 Feb 12 22:40
Looks a good race at the weekend, would like to see a good performance from either Ut De Sivola or Shadow Catcher. Think they're both very exciting.
By:
da fallon factor
When: 11 Feb 12 00:21
Ruby will have a tough choice as what to ride in the race,personally i like Ut De Sivola!
By:
stevo1
When: 11 Feb 12 00:21
On Shadow Catcher at big odds for Triumph hoping for decent run, but Irish have poor recent record in race but saying thatace looks wide open this year. Also on Dildar approx 25s on here,would need to go close in Adonis to line up.Nicholls still got Dodging Bullets to run as well.
By:
marychain1
When: 11 Feb 12 12:37
Dodging Bullets now declared at Folkestone on Tuesday, along with Une Artiste of Henderson and a few other likely sorts.
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 11 Feb 12 18:23
Still plenty of time for a fresh face to show its hand (pardon the mixed metaphors); especially in what looks to be a sub-standard year. The Spring Hurdle at Leopardstown tomorrow might be informative, especially with Countrywide Flame providing a useful guide to the relative merits of English & Irish form. The Irish juvenile form doesn't look that strong to me and whilst I expect Countrywide Flame to run a good race, the one I'm really interested in is John Ferguson's Asaid. This Godolphin cast-off looked pretty green on the flat, but made a very good impression on his hurdling debut at Huntingdon last month, winning tidily in a race run at a decent gallop. The form of that race has worked out well (2nd, 4th, 5th all winners next time out). It looks encouraging that Ferguson has booked Cheltenham specialist Barry Geraghty for the ride tomorrow.

In an open year, ther's plenty of scope for a horse such as Asaid to come to the fore, and I've backed him accordingly, both for tomorrow's race and for the Triumph itself.
By:
differentdrum
When: 11 Feb 12 19:09
I think Sportsmaster could well be the best of the Irish but on a surface far more akin to what he would face at Cheltenham. Strange that he is being pitched in tomorrow on ground that will see him at a big disadvantage. I can only imagine JP is plotting to give him a decent mark in the Fred Winter.
By:
Tascro
When: 11 Feb 12 23:29
Am on Shadow Catcher for this at big prices. hoping for a big run tomorrow. heres hoping
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Feb 12 15:06
Good win at Ltown there by Hisaabaat, few more bubbles burst. Its difficult to know exactly what that form means, but the first thing that caught my eye is that Nicholls' Dodging Bullets, who has had entries weathered off for Novice Hurdles at Taunton, Newbury and Exeter, beat Hisaabaat by half a length over 10f in its last flat outing.

Hoping Folkestone goes ahead on Tuesday, backed it at 40s and 40+ on here and keen to see if its any good over hurdles/2m.
By:
marychain1
When: 12 Feb 12 15:09
Hisaabaat is 16-1 from 33s with Sky Bet for the JCB Triumph Hurdle after winning at Leopardstown.

Dermot Weld's charge had been second on his previous three starts but was galvanised by first-time blinkers here.

Leading after jumping the final flight, Hisaabaat (15-2), ridden by Andrew Lynch, pulled away from the Gordon Elliott-trained Shadow Catcher, who had made a mess of that obstacle, to score by a length and a half with John Quinn's Countrywide Flame third.

Weld said: "He's been very consistent and got a lovely ride from Andrew. We won this race last year with Unaccompanied and the logical move would be to have a crack at the Triumph Hurdle with him.

"He's taken a little time to get his act together but he schooled well the other morning and got a lovely ride.

"He had to win today to be considered for (Cheltenham) and he has done it well."

Sky Bet also cut the runner-up to 16s from 25s for the Cheltenham showpiece but in contrast Ut De Sivola, who had beaten the winner at Punchestown last time, is out to 33s from 12s after failing to feature here.
By:
differentdrum
When: 12 Feb 12 15:14
I wouldn't read too much in to collateral form. After all Sportsmaster beat the winner last time but turned in a woeful performance today running much too freely and ballooning his hurdles. The market told the story with him (9/2-7/1) and I suspect on a quicker surface (and with blinkers) we will see a much better performance - presumably with JP's money down.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 12 Feb 12 15:24
Shadow Catcher would be the one I'd take from the race - got there too soon and fluffed the last.

Won't have a wager until the day (or at least until nrnb come in) but at about 20/1 he looks a fair bet to me in what looks a very open renewal.
By:
Tascro
When: 12 Feb 12 15:39
very happy with shadow catcher. got there too soon. needs holding on to till late as.(same on flat) got there travelling too well. carberry when back will be perfect at cheltenham. have backed him before today and will continue backing him after today
By:
Benkers
When: 12 Feb 12 16:52
agree with Tascro, Shadow Catcher, i thought was the best bet in the race beforehand, i said in another post somewhere that he could be Elliott's plot horse. Backed him at 35's and 40's a while ago. He's a strong traveller and thought the jock got him there too soon, not sure what he was doing at the second last, looked like he tried to run out and pulled his way to the front, had he tucked him away (and there will be plenty of places to tuck him in in the triumph) he may well have not fluffed the last as he looks like he doesnt do much in front. Would worry that the final 100 yards of cheltenham could see him vulnerable to a closer, but hes still a fair bet at the prices.

Interesting that the 3rd had close form with Grumeti and Hollow Tree and on lines through them, Shadow Catcher should be in the mix, but is still twice the price. Weld has done some job with the winner as he was beaten by Ut de Sivola, His Excellency and co, yet he and Shadow Catcher have finished miles in front of them.
By:
tomdeane
When: 12 Feb 12 21:17
Grumeti would like to pass on the news that he watched the race from the comfort of his stable and, with a pint of Guinness to hand, he can confirm that he is looking forward to galloping away from all and sundry in mid-March...
By:
harry callaghan
When: 12 Feb 12 21:23
lol tom...lets hope he is tucked up in the stable - with a cigar on the go I would of thought...sweet dreams grumeyGrin
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 12 Feb 12 22:09
yes a HAMLET cos MINSK will destroy them all in march Laugh
By:
tomdeane
When: 12 Feb 12 22:13
Grumeti would like to stress that he is not a smoker - wind operations are the fashionable thing at the moment but he'd sooner stay away from the vet if it's all the same to you.
By:
cammy glasgow
When: 12 Feb 12 22:14
no smoke without fire bud ? Cool
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