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Doesn't seem to have a clue which races are best for his horses?
Surely the owners must think twice before going to this hapless trainer to spend their hard earned. Fk me this guy comes across as totally clueless.
Surely the owners must think twice before going to this hapless trainer to spend their hard earned. Fk me this guy comes across as totally clueless.
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lol uncle,notice hows hes gone quiet all of a sudden,sad lien cnut 
The worst thing about Cheltenham is that none of the trainers seem to know what is their charge's best trip, or in many cases even if he is a hurdler or chaser. If it were just Mullins, it would not matter. Of course, as Ruby says, it is that each trainer is waiting to see how the races cut up, how each other trainer is playing his hand, before committing, but racing is not best served by the uncertainty continuing so close to the Festival. It does not happen at Royal Ascot.
The suggestion that Mullins is manipulating the situation to allow connections to hoover up the prices and lay non-runners is beneath contempt. Remarkably, it seems to have been intended as a defence of Mullins against the charge of cluelessness.
The suggestion that Mullins is manipulating the situation to allow connections to hoover up the prices and lay non-runners is beneath contempt. Remarkably, it seems to have been intended as a defence of Mullins against the charge of cluelessness.
Ramruna, I wouldn't suggest that Mullins is laying horses. As stated, there is nothing in the rulebook that says Mullins has to keep the public informed with regard to specific targets for horses. However, anyone that watches Irish racing on any kind of consistent basis knows that the Mullins stable likes a punt, (this is the case with most Irish stables btw) It goes as high up as Gigginstown, Joe Smooth in bumper early season for Meade as an example. It is the culture, his father Paddy 's stable wasn't a betting one, but like Willie he apparently kept his cards close to his chest. I think this is from where Willie has inherited this trait, but I would never say he was crooked or laying non runners
Ruby explained why mullins leaves decisions late. Because you can assess the opposition and place your horses in races where they have the best chance of winning. Day of a lifetime for example, I'm sure mullins has decided that he has a better chance of winning the supreme than he does of winning the neptune hence he's running him there. This must be because he knows how good so young is and will also have a good idea how good oscars well and first lieutenant are. Why should he commit his horses before he knows the opposition they will face? He duty is to his owners not the punters and he has always made it known he makes decisions late, he's warned you.
I agree and stated something to that effect earlier on the previous page, I was more addressing Ramrunas assertion that I was possibly inferring that Mullins was laying horses.
i'd say very far from incompetent,regarding targets for his horses if he wasnt one of the top trainers he wouldnt have so many good horses to make his placement of them a ballache for him hence the last minute decisions although the majority of trainers are all trying to place their horses in the race he'll have the best possible chance of winning.....doesnt make them incompetent.
this has to be a p1ss take from the op, willie mullins is a class trainer, end of story
Dumb thread, cba even reading it, but no surprise given who started it.
Could be a few more horses heading Willes way...looks like Mr Ricci landed the jackpot.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/07/bob-diamond-bonus-barclays
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/mar/07/bob-diamond-bonus-barclays
im surprsied the debate got this far. every post from eric morris is pocket talk. it's obvious.
Sint I heard about Benefit Night yesterday, fair play mate 
cheers CV. I've been in racind form most season, hoping to kick on now. was 100/1 on here 
Yeah 103 sp on here, though 33/1 sp. I've been in patchy form myself since Leopardstown, but with a couple of nice winners in Numide and then Via Galilie I'm hopefully turning the corner just at the right time 
Getting really excited now, never been on the Tuesday for the Champion Hurdle, only Moscow and Kauto have made me cross the Irish Sea. Fly has me making the trek this time.
Getting really excited now, never been on the Tuesday for the Champion Hurdle, only Moscow and Kauto have made me cross the Irish Sea. Fly has me making the trek this time.
yep looks an absolute belter, could be a three-way photo!
Keeping the faith with Bino here.
Keeping the faith with Bino here.
cvb - its funny how u say hf making u cross the waters like moscow and kauto made u, but surely theres other horses tha should of made u come over, wha bout hardy eustace??? 7 grade ones including 2 champ hurdles surely hardy more superior to hf???
I think buddeliea is right and he plays up to it now.
People above who are supposed fans suggesting he runs away from the opposition avoiding them to the last minute if correct emphasise he doesnt believe in or know his horses abilities enough. A trainer like Nicholls doesnt wait until his peers choose a race with their best horses and then tries to avoid it with his .. he takes the bull by the horns and puts his horses in the races that suit THEM best .. he doesnt run away from the opposition until the last minute. There are exceptions of course, Sam Winner avoiding Cue Card but only because his main rider thinks he cant be beat and the form is there to show it.
Bout time Mullins showed more confidence and knowledge in his horses instead of pansying around until the last minute.
The Quel Esprit after gallop indication he goes NH Chase to change virtually straight after to the RSA was taking the p1ss out of punters (I havent backed him any race but a lot of punters will have done a lot of money) and in turn racing if any have been put off racing because of it if they are new to racing and did their money virtually within 24 hours. I have as little respect for him as he has for punters.
People above who are supposed fans suggesting he runs away from the opposition avoiding them to the last minute if correct emphasise he doesnt believe in or know his horses abilities enough. A trainer like Nicholls doesnt wait until his peers choose a race with their best horses and then tries to avoid it with his .. he takes the bull by the horns and puts his horses in the races that suit THEM best .. he doesnt run away from the opposition until the last minute. There are exceptions of course, Sam Winner avoiding Cue Card but only because his main rider thinks he cant be beat and the form is there to show it.
Bout time Mullins showed more confidence and knowledge in his horses instead of pansying around until the last minute.
The Quel Esprit after gallop indication he goes NH Chase to change virtually straight after to the RSA was taking the p1ss out of punters (I havent backed him any race but a lot of punters will have done a lot of money) and in turn racing if any have been put off racing because of it if they are new to racing and did their money virtually within 24 hours. I have as little respect for him as he has for punters.
eric_morris has been exposed as a LIAR as well as a bullsh1tter
I am not a liar clown .. the funny thing is I have caught a lot of the posters on this thread out before.
Good luck with your pound yankee.
Good luck with your pound yankee.
I explained my positions were in both races to cover now go and buy some reading glasses ... my mistake you probably have a 50p Yankee judging by the basic lack of knowledge you show on here. The only thing you excel at is hitting the smiley button fkwit.
YBM is lots of things, including a liar, but most of them far worse.
I've heard it said that the greatest of gifts is to be able to see yourself as others see you. Unfortunately Eric is virtually the polar opposite of this and so it could be said that he is afflicted with the greatest of curses. He sees himself as almost divine when it comes to the business of antepost punting and like most deities is therefore incapable of error and it follows that his pronunciations must not be challenged. Any questioning of his methods is, at best, feeble-minded, but more likely heresey.
This differs greatly from what we see, a deluded fantasist, punting his pocket money, whose only pleasure in life is to ridicule others views in the hope that we will see the truth (that he is infallible). I assume that this desperate need for approval/god complex has its root in some kind of sexual inadequacy or perhaps mere frustration at still having to live at home with his long-suffering parents. His anger stems from our refusal to accept that aftertiming heroic last second trades (completely at odds with earlier vigorously argued stances), does not a guru make.
Bless him.
This differs greatly from what we see, a deluded fantasist, punting his pocket money, whose only pleasure in life is to ridicule others views in the hope that we will see the truth (that he is infallible). I assume that this desperate need for approval/god complex has its root in some kind of sexual inadequacy or perhaps mere frustration at still having to live at home with his long-suffering parents. His anger stems from our refusal to accept that aftertiming heroic last second trades (completely at odds with earlier vigorously argued stances), does not a guru make.
Bless him.
Desmond...genius but the funny thing is only we will understand as you need more basic language for dear old Eric! Swatted away like a fly
If he is incontinent that has nothing to do with me I am only commenting on his pansying around with targets re his horses. I have no expertise in medical matters other than to say Desmond Orchard lost his apples when i put him right on Celestial Halos chasing career (or lack of) which Desmond left the forum never to return after arguing his head off with me only for me to be proven right and him wrong... until he saw this thread and had to have a dig.
Says it all about the posters on here total bunch of weird blustering pound yankee placing bullsh1tters ... oh and arbers like uncle carbuncle.
Says it all about the posters on here total bunch of weird blustering pound yankee placing bullsh1tters ... oh and arbers like uncle carbuncle.
Feel free to ttt that thread Eric, if you can read it dispassionately, you might understand my point regarding you being a deluded fantasist. At no point did I suggest that Celestial Halo would have a good chasing career, in fact I was of the view that I didn't think he would jump well enough - prior to his seasonal bow. You dismissed him for the Arkle on the grounds that he was too classy over hurdles (Uber-LOL) and was too much of a grinder (to then tell anyone who would listen that Captain Chris, last seen staying on dourly over 2m4f would win the race)!! If anything, whisper it quietly, I was more right than you [smiley:crazy]
I've C&P (I know how you love that) a few of the salient posts as a reminder.
P.S. Nice work on dismissing 4/1 Arkle favourite Medmermits chances in the same post, a poor investment indeed!! But of course you wouldn't have remembered that, blanked from your memory along with every other wrong call you've made. It's OK to be wrong you know kidda, we all make mistakes, it's not an exact science.
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Right lets start with the Arkle Chase:
You are looking for a young horse who wasnt necessarily exceptional over hurdles but who has a flair for fencing. In that respect it is always worth taking a look at your horse over the larger obstacles before moving in for a position. Look for a good turn of pace mainly as when they kick 2 out it doesnt matter what they did over hurdles without this kick they are left dead in the water in an Arkle.
That makes an early investment in the one-paced Celestial Halo and Medermit very poor value at 10/1. Particularly in the case of Celestial Halo he wont be able to grind it over fences as he did over hurdles you ideally want a horse who can cruise in behind then go for it late.
My reply....
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How many horses not rated 140+ over hurdles have won the Arkle in the last 15/20 years? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. The Arkle tends to be won by a classy type who has demonstrated said class over the smaller obstacles, preferably at the Festival. For this reason Celestial Halo and Medermit should not be dismissed at this stage and if proving a liking for jumping fences should be under consideration come March.
I then go on to say......
As it goes, the highest rated Arkle winning hurdler of recent years was MWDS, who had previously won a stayers. I think class and stamina are both important, outright blinding speed less so. Am not CHs biggest fan by any means, but if he takes to jumping he has the right profile. My own hope is that MDH is aimed at the race.
Then......
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Like I said, I ain't the horses biggest fan, for a start I think his way of taking a hurdle will not lend itself to larger obstacles. But your opening gambit was that it didn't matter what they did over hurdles, I hope I've managed to demonstrate that it does and that horses that win the race tend to have CHs class and stamina over hurdles. Would you lay evens that the winner is hurdles rated top class, lets say 150 or above?
would win the race)!! If anything, whisper it quietly, I was more right than you [smiley:crazy]I've C&P (I know how you love that) a few of the salient posts as a reminder.
P.S. Nice work on dismissing 4/1 Arkle favourite Medmermits chances in the same post, a poor investment indeed!! But of course you wouldn't have remembered that, blanked from your memory along with every other wrong call you've made. It's OK to be wrong you know kidda, we all make mistakes, it's not an exact science.
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Right lets start with the Arkle Chase:
You are looking for a young horse who wasnt necessarily exceptional over hurdles but who has a flair for fencing. In that respect it is always worth taking a look at your horse over the larger obstacles before moving in for a position. Look for a good turn of pace mainly as when they kick 2 out it doesnt matter what they did over hurdles without this kick they are left dead in the water in an Arkle.
That makes an early investment in the one-paced Celestial Halo and Medermit very poor value at 10/1. Particularly in the case of Celestial Halo he wont be able to grind it over fences as he did over hurdles you ideally want a horse who can cruise in behind then go for it late.
My reply....
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How many horses not rated 140+ over hurdles have won the Arkle in the last 15/20 years? Off the top of my head, I can't think of any. The Arkle tends to be won by a classy type who has demonstrated said class over the smaller obstacles, preferably at the Festival. For this reason Celestial Halo and Medermit should not be dismissed at this stage and if proving a liking for jumping fences should be under consideration come March.
I then go on to say......
As it goes, the highest rated Arkle winning hurdler of recent years was MWDS, who had previously won a stayers. I think class and stamina are both important, outright blinding speed less so. Am not CHs biggest fan by any means, but if he takes to jumping he has the right profile. My own hope is that MDH is aimed at the race.
Then......
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Like I said, I ain't the horses biggest fan, for a start I think his way of taking a hurdle will not lend itself to larger obstacles. But your opening gambit was that it didn't matter what they did over hurdles, I hope I've managed to demonstrate that it does and that horses that win the race tend to have CHs class and stamina over hurdles. Would you lay evens that the winner is hurdles rated top class, lets say 150 or above?
Desmond...block him...it is a case of can the last man pleaseturn the lights out!!! noone else can read him
You were proven miserably wrong Desmond and disappeared from the forum I can paste the relevant parts but cant be bothered I would be wasting more time with you.
Take dimwits advice and block me.
Take dimwits advice and block me.
I've no reason to chelts, I have a ghouls interest in watching him repeatedly contradict himself, tie himself in knots and then when finally even he realises that facade has crumbled, reappear under yet another unconvincing nom de plume , imagining (again) that the slate has been wiped clean. I used to have dog that covered its eyes after it misbehaved, it thought that because it couldn't see me, I couldn't see it. YBM/Kirk/Eric reminds me of the little rogue.
Desmord I have no time for wafflers like you. You are now blocked.
'can't be bothered' ....... the emoticon has not been invented!!!!!!!
TTT it Eric, I'll take the pepsi challenge. Prove your point.
TTT it Eric, I'll take the pepsi challenge. Prove your point.
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Desmord I have no time for wafflers like you. You are now blocked.
Evidently he tired of proving me wrong, has this ever happened before?
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Desmord I have no time for wafflers like you. You are now blocked.
Evidently he tired of proving me wrong, has this ever happened before?
Desmond...i am starting to feel cruel as fear he may be ill?
eric_morris 1.01 to be on the missing list for a few days,
MUG
MUG
About time it took years to get a winner of one of the big 4 at Cheltenham. As I said on another thread I had backed Hurricane Run, brilliant horse, my aunty could have trained him to win that.
He needs to sort how he p1sses punters around and deserved the 'monstering' on here.
I have had a tremendous day would have been better with Peddlars winning.
He needs to sort how he p1sses punters around and deserved the 'monstering' on here.
I have had a tremendous day would have been better with Peddlars winning.
hurricane run,did he come out of retirement to run over hurdles
clueless cnut
clueless cnut
Oh dear Eric . If mullins is clueless what does that make the other trainers. he's obviously very good and
you've been left with egg on your face. You need to confess your wrong then you'll be free.
you've been left with egg on your face. You need to confess your wrong then you'll be free.
evra I wonder if you are on for a 6 figure win tomorrow clever tw@t ... NOT.
I am completely right it has taken him years to win 1 of the 4 top races in the calendar and that with a horse any trainer could have won with. The Irish had only won 8 CHurdles in the last 30 years and 3 of those were by a flat traine ffs.
Gold Cup just 4 Irish wins in last 30 years go figure how sh1t your Grade 1 races are.
You see I too can do smileys, especially after today.
Gold Cup just 4 Irish wins in last 30 years go figure how sh1t your Grade 1 races are.
You see I too can do smileys, especially after today.
Tinkler:
You need to confess your wrong then you'll be free.
More chance of Tracksuit Dave backing a loser in running with Paddy Power
You need to confess your wrong then you'll be free.
More chance of Tracksuit Dave backing a loser in running with Paddy Power
He produced Hurricane Fly in great condition ; a horse that isn'y easy to keep sound and the same with
Quevega after avery long absence. You've got to respect that kind of ability.
Quevega after avery long absence. You've got to respect that kind of ability.
Eric is set to win a 6 figure sum - show some respect
are all the figures zeros? or should I write a begging letter now?
Great interveiw with Willie Mullins today explaining why he chose Ruby to ride over Paul Townsend.
He's hoping to be back on tomorrrow and it would be a brave man who says he won't be.
Much to Ruby's dismay he has sworn to give all the best rides he can to Paul Townsend and give him all the help he can to win the Irish Championship.
That says volumes about the man and anyone who slags him should grow up and try looking after themselves and don't expect anything other than what the man is prepared/can to tell you.
I've owned horses in my time and I've landed a couple of nice touches. If my trainer had gone on TV, Radio or spoken to the press the plot would have been foiled, I'd have moved the horse and his reputation wouldn't be worth tuppence to any other gambling owner.
You think you should be told something. The decision to bet or not bet is all you are entitled to... get used to it.
How long do you think Jonjo or AP would last if they started mouthing off to everyone which horses he was backing or how they were expected to run?
I don't know who on here knows the man or who has or have had horses with him but they'll back me up when I say you simply don't ask about another owners horses and you most certainly do not ask about JP's. If he's owned by someone that doesn't gamble most likley you'll be told if around but that's as far as it goes.
Those are owners who know the man personally who are told nothing and you guys think Willie Mullins should betray his owners, most of who would be mad Irish gamblers be telling you his plans?
I think you should ask yourselves what you would do in his position.
or should I write a begging letter now?Great interveiw with Willie Mullins today explaining why he chose Ruby to ride over Paul Townsend.
He's hoping to be back on tomorrrow and it would be a brave man who says he won't be.
Much to Ruby's dismay he has sworn to give all the best rides he can to Paul Townsend and give him all the help he can to win the Irish Championship.
That says volumes about the man and anyone who slags him should grow up and try looking after themselves and don't expect anything other than what the man is prepared/can to tell you.
I've owned horses in my time and I've landed a couple of nice touches. If my trainer had gone on TV, Radio or spoken to the press the plot would have been foiled, I'd have moved the horse and his reputation wouldn't be worth tuppence to any other gambling owner.
You think you should be told something. The decision to bet or not bet is all you are entitled to... get used to it.
How long do you think Jonjo or AP would last if they started mouthing off to everyone which horses he was backing or how they were expected to run?
I don't know who on here knows the man or who has or have had horses with him but they'll back me up when I say you simply don't ask about another owners horses and you most certainly do not ask about JP's. If he's owned by someone that doesn't gamble most likley you'll be told if around but that's as far as it goes.
Those are owners who know the man personally who are told nothing and you guys think Willie Mullins should betray his owners, most of who would be mad Irish gamblers be telling you his plans?
I think you should ask yourselves what you would do in his position.
Desmond - nice analogy with that hound of yours
I think this Eric geezer gets a bit too much stick on here as although I may well have missed a few of his posts, he's nowhere near as bad as the flak he gets would suggest. FWIW, sometimes he makes good points. Also, Willie Mullins is undoubtedly a fine trainer and a very affable & seemingly a very helpful bloke too. However, he does tend to keep US in the dark about running plans more than most.
I think this Eric geezer gets a bit too much stick on here as although I may well have missed a few of his posts, he's nowhere near as bad as the flak he gets would suggest. FWIW, sometimes he makes good points. Also, Willie Mullins is undoubtedly a fine trainer and a very affable & seemingly a very helpful bloke too. However, he does tend to keep US in the dark about running plans more than most.
There is a massive difference between giving owners the best inside information which is fine and announcing publically a different target for a horse continually some might say to throw punters onto the wrong races. That is inexcusable end of and many on here think he does that, even Francome on CH4 corrected Tanya when she was exclaiming the virtues of So Young to viewers for the Neptune, saying he had announced that morning the Supreme was on the cards. If he hadnt have done that in time how many more disenchanted punters would this trainer have created when the game is struggling to compete with other sports.
I see it differently to those that defend him on here as I believe all of this is very bad for the game. Nicholls is brilliant with the public by comparison he is a credit to the sport and it's future. He is, inlike Mullins, also brilliant at nurturing young talent which is borne out by his success rate in the big 4 Championship races with different horses over the years ... knocks Mullins into the minor league.
If Mullins chooses to treat the betting public with disrespect re switching targets then he is open to having the p1ss taken out of him within reason on this punters forum.
I see it differently to those that defend him on here as I believe all of this is very bad for the game. Nicholls is brilliant with the public by comparison he is a credit to the sport and it's future. He is, inlike Mullins, also brilliant at nurturing young talent which is borne out by his success rate in the big 4 Championship races with different horses over the years ... knocks Mullins into the minor league.
If Mullins chooses to treat the betting public with disrespect re switching targets then he is open to having the p1ss taken out of him within reason on this punters forum.
Francome was subject to his pfaffing as we know the target remained the same.
But Eric if he had run So Young in the Supreme then he would have no representative in the Neptune. Plus he's perfectly entitled to change his mind especially when Cue Card looked certain to turn up.
You are completely off the wall on this mate Willie Mullins doesn't change his horses targets to mess you or any other punter up. He does his job to the best of his ability to give his owners the best possible chance of success.
The very last thing on his mind will be "I think I'll mess up a punters life today"
No one's out to do you mate you're letting your imagination run away with you.
You are completely off the wall on this mate Willie Mullins doesn't change his horses targets to mess you or any other punter up. He does his job to the best of his ability to give his owners the best possible chance of success.
The very last thing on his mind will be "I think I'll mess up a punters life today"
No one's out to do you mate you're letting your imagination run away with you.
Cant train talented horses to jump fences (So Young wasnt great either his horses totally under-priced)
..and he's managed to miss 2 Festivals with the flat bred Hurricane Fly. Way way over-rated trainer at the highest level.
7/2 in a handicap like that ... Call The Police or Call A Search Party ... jeez way overbet these.
His talented novice chasers dont have a clue how to jump unless they are naturals.
Flat Out, Mikael D'Haguenet, Quel Esprit have an unfortunately high chance of injuring themselves as a result. This may go part way to explaining why he is so poor at nurturing novices into senior Champions in top class Cheltenham Championships. Under-performer any other trainer would have gone to town with quality horses like this. Too much hype, too many good novices going nowhere, nowhere near as good as he is made out to be at the very top level.
Flat Out, Mikael D'Haguenet, Quel Esprit have an unfortunately high chance of injuring themselves as a result. This may go part way to explaining why he is so poor at nurturing novices into senior Champions in top class Cheltenham Championships. Under-performer any other trainer would have gone to town with quality horses like this. Too much hype, too many good novices going nowhere, nowhere near as good as he is made out to be at the very top level.
His record in the big 4 feature races after years training showed a big fat zero before the very talented flat bred Hurricane Fly came along. He has only managed to get this horse to 1 out of 3 Festivals I dont class that as brilliant maybe with better training techniques, campaigning he would have made all 3 and we would be talking about an all-time great now. Mullins failed to get him there until now.
Opinions are like árseholes.
Yours is an embarrassment to anyone capable of thought.
Yours is an embarrassment to anyone capable of thought.
Knew a fella once named Eric Morris - got drunk and fell down the stairs and broke his neck - found dead the next day. True story . Take care Eric it is an unlucky name. As for your anti- Mullins thread sounds like he fcuked your mrs sometime as no other reason for your hatred.
If he went to a pub in Glasgow and went on like this he wouldn't make it to the stairs
Your comment about WM managing to miss 2 festivals is just plain stupid Eric. Michael Dickinson said of his first 5. The hardest job is getting them Cheltenham fit and well and he never said a truer word. Like Hurricane Fly a horse can get a splint or some other freaky accident occur at any time there's nothing any trainer can do to prevent it. Look at John Quinn's Character Builder he walked the horse out of his box 24 hours before the National and the sodding thing stood on a stone and bruised his foot.
How can you talk such nonsense when you just witnessed Quevega turn up and win the mares without coming out of a canter for the 3rd successive time? are you totally nuts?
Your comment about WM managing to miss 2 festivals is just plain stupid Eric. Michael Dickinson said of his first 5. The hardest job is getting them Cheltenham fit and well and he never said a truer word. Like Hurricane Fly a horse can get a splint or some other freaky accident occur at any time there's nothing any trainer can do to prevent it. Look at John Quinn's Character Builder he walked the horse out of his box 24 hours before the National and the sodding thing stood on a stone and bruised his foot.
How can you talk such nonsense when you just witnessed Quevega turn up and win the mares without coming out of a canter for the 3rd successive time? are you totally nuts?
Can we get this thread deleted because its embarassing for the author?
is willie mullins incompitent? no, but he might be incontinent because his horses are pissing it!!
Started training 1988 taken 22 years to get his first and only senior Cheltenham Championship win.
Nicholls started training 3 years later 1991 and took 8 years to get his first (2) Cheltenham Championship wins now 10 in total.
Nicholls started training 3 years later 1991 and took 8 years to get his first (2) Cheltenham Championship wins now 10 in total.
An Irish trainer who will live up to the hype is Gordon Elliott imo. He looks to have a brilliant future.
What a load of ****, the man is top trainer at CHeltenham,ahead of the likes of NIcholls and Henderson.
This thread and Get Me Out of Here losing has made this an even better day.
To be fair I was pointing out his seemingly lack of knowledge in which was the best race for his leading players. Others may think he deliberately misleads punters by switching targets every time he is asked while really knowing where they are going. Others say he waits until his rival trainers choose where is best for their horses then fits in with them late.
I would argue that whichever of these it might be if any, none are commendable. One is unacceptable as giving inside information to owners is fine, putting punters onto the wrong race deliberately is not ... it isnt clever it is th1ck (as was Get Me Out Of Here today) and is damaging to racing in a period when fobt's/casinos in all but name are taking over the high street .... phone
I would argue that whichever of these it might be if any, none are commendable. One is unacceptable as giving inside information to owners is fine, putting punters onto the wrong race deliberately is not ... it isnt clever it is th1ck (as was Get Me Out Of Here today) and is damaging to racing in a period when fobt's/casinos in all but name are taking over the high street .... phone
Eric you're having a bit of a brain fart mate , let it go , move on
eric must lead a lonely life in that bedsit.....
at least the forum gives him an outlet for the burning rage inside him....
thanks for entertaining him lads....
at least the forum gives him an outlet for the burning rage inside him....
thanks for entertaining him lads....
My other observation was a personal opinion on what he has achieved with the talent he has had. Others will disagree, some trainers bring in help if they need it with their jumpers, Yogi Breisner for example after Long Run had problems last season. This has reaped rewards with a horse who was not a natural jumper from day one. After seeing the talented Mikael D'Haguenet, Quel Esprit and Flat Out all going the same way this season will Mullins seek help or will we see the novices come to nothing, why no Gold Cup winners in all this time, Queen Mother winners. Personal opinion but I think Gordon Elliott looks an immense talent already and will be challenging Mullins achievements but will go further onto multiple Cheltenham Championship wins putting it up to Nicholls and Henderson which is surely what Irish punters want, success at the highest level not winning weaker Festival races. All personal opinion but that is mine.
That was my last post on this thread the Irish deserve the success with their trainers at the highest level to equal the briliance of their jockeys, Walsh is the best jumps jockey I have ever seen.
Not gonna bother reading the whole thread, but a major LOL to the original post.
I think Mikael would have hacked up if he'd stood up though I'm biased
All about the horses he has for the particular races ERIC ydfc!!!
He cant win a Gold Cup w/o a fkn GC horse!!!
You are a fkn clueless spineless cretin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please fcuk off and die!
He cant win a Gold Cup w/o a fkn GC horse!!!
You are a fkn clueless spineless cretin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please fcuk off and die!
eric the clueless t1t, sums up all that is wrong with jump racing. thinks cheltenham is the only thing that matters.
I withdraw the last line of my last post, was uncalled for eric.
Still don't like ye, or agree with you, but was out of line there.
Apologies on that one.
Still don't like ye, or agree with you, but was out of line there.
Apologies on that one.
Mullins top trainer-if he's incompetent what does that make everyone else.
You're lucky nobody takes libel action against you.
You're lucky nobody takes libel action against you.
hes the best trainer in ireland for certain.he gets horses that others couldnt win with and get them to win many times.a true professional in every way.to say hes incompetent is insane.
TOP TRAINER at the meeting. I repeat TOP TRAINER at the meeting. Say it again TOP TRAINER at the meeting.
While the rest of the world was enjoying the racing that nutjob Eric Minor was here posting. What a sad life this clown lives and would explain why he is so angry. PUT THE KEYBOARD DOWN AND GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.
While the rest of the world was enjoying the racing that nutjob Eric Minor was here posting. What a sad life this clown lives and would explain why he is so angry. PUT THE KEYBOARD DOWN AND GET OUT OF THE HOUSE.
I wouldn't want to stoke the flames of this particular fire. My question is genuine. Which of Mullins winners of the festival were jumping over the bigger obstacles. Also, how would his record over hurdles compare to that of the alternative ?
You could ask the same question of Nicky Henderson who hadn't had a chase winner for 5 years until Long Run came along. It's surely got very little to do with their training ability Graeme but more to do with their preferences on which horses they buy for their owners.
I'm sure it is that Ron. Since i've watched racing, which isn't as long as more experienced punters, Mullins has had nice wins over the hurdles, but has had problems with his jumpers over chasing. It also bodes the question of his judgement of chasers. If hurdlers are going chasing and fallin, then shouldn't they have been kept over hurdles ?
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