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Dunguib to run in irish champion instead of at naas. We'll find out a lot about his hurdling so.
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Easier to train apes. Can you imagine our top trainers or WM not giving their horses an 'easy' first time up.
And we won't find out anything about is jumping becase they will crawl round and sprint. Makes no sense to me. All this b*ll*cks about needing one more week. Absolutely bonkers. If he is competitive he could leave the CH for both himself and HF in Ireland. Hope WM thinks it's too much soon for HF and skips the race. |
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I have a feeling the luska team will set off at a decent pace as long as the ground isn't bottomless. They tested him last time, now they need to have a craic at winning.
Solwhit will return to his usual tactics and make the dash for home three out. I just want Dunguib to hotspot well. He's got no hope against these fit horses but I want to see promising signs. |
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Makes no sense to me. The horse has always been very short with PP for this race even when the trainer clearly stated the Limestone Lad was his likely target.
He said wants the horse as fresh as he can for the CH do you think he may think he can win this? Otherwise why not go for the easier race where he could win without comng off the bridle. Odd, very odd. |
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They need questions answered. Lump him in here and if he ends in the first three they will be over the moon. If he flops then he isn't good enough. Trainer will know after the race. Fitness may well tell, but that will tell in the final few furlongs not the first 15 or so.
Why the hell not lump him in. Trainer must be certain the horse was over raced last term. Freshness may be the key. We shall see. |
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Just going on the form in the book CV,their is evidence to sat Solwhit is not as good as he was before his problems,i just interprit it different to you,no worries mate.
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Of course HF is definitely better than Solwhit although a fit GN on good ground i aint so sure.
CV,answer me this mate as i am a tad confused. You mention GN coming over here and winning 2 grade 1's,fair enough.But in those races he beat an unfit Bino and beat Starluck.Thats what PC has just done but did you not pooh pooh that? |
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At the end of the day HF is clearly a talented horse and really could be anything,even the next superstar,that i do agree with,he has shown signs that he could be.That is how he stands at this moment,the rest is yet to be seen.But I look at his form and dont see any form on decent going against what i consider to be a top 2m CH horse,thats basically what i am saying here mate.
He is certainly exciting though,thats for sure. |
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Some good points being made and thats what it is all about, I agree HF is very very good and Solwhit is another favouite of mine i think connections are pretty happy picking up serious prize money in top events even though they keep bumping into HF, thinks its 10 gr 1's 4-5 wins and rest places id like to own a leg of it!
On the CH a factor i like to consider for the Champion Hurdle betting is Peddlers has the added bonus of been there done that at the track that in my books is a big plus that is the 1 thing HF backers cannot be sure about. |
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Hurricane Fly will win the Champion Hurdle - mark my words!
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Nicholls on Celestial Halo
Celestial Halo was another horse I thought had winning claims last weekend. He ran a brave race in third but I am coming back round to the conclusion that he is not a 2m4f horse after all. I think he may want a good test stamina over 2m, so he will go for the Kingwell Hurdle next. He could well end up in the Champion Hurdle, which would benefit Binocular again. |
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CVByrne - you are a dummy! lol You really do need to watch racing rather than listening to your friends. Muppet!
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CVByrne
Mikael and Flat Out will be going for the Arkle. CV - How solid is your info? |
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My opinion, no solid info but they think a lot of flat out and he's 100% going for the irish arkle.
I think mikael will run in the irish arkle too. Mullins said he's undecided which race to run him in the irish arkle or the pj moriarty. But the former gives them a chance of another run, the latter doesn't. Anyway this is the champion hurdle thread. |
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Yes I know that - But I'm just a major Mikael fan - and an even bigger Hurricane follower
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Hurrciane Fly is better than Mikeal D'Haguenet but Mikeal was a serious tool before his injury.
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Now that was impressive from the Champ. I'm very happy with my two big bets, 5.5pts on both Hurricane Fly @ 10.58 and Binocular @ 5.8, plus 1pt e.w on Khyber Kim @ 16/1.
I just think with good ground and a proper gallop we'll see Binocular and Hurricane Fly at their best. |
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Binocular all the way for me. Cant wait.
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Still Peddlers Cross for me. McCain has always hinted PC is a lot better than Overturn, without directly coming out and saying it, and I think he'll know exactly where he stands now.
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I've mentioned this before but I do have reservations about Hurricane Fly as regards how the race will be run and the demands of a competitive championship race over the course. He may well be the best horse in the race, for natural ability, but I think he's worth taking on, even for the frame. He's got plenty of speed and enough stamina to outgun a strong stayer in Solwhit, but will he be suited by a relentless pace on a quicker surface, at a difficult track that he's not encountered before? All his main rivals have proven form over the conditions and it's a definite concern for me, as this disadvantage shouldn't be under-estimated.
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I agree, too many people are just taking it for granted The Fly will act around here. It's a big unknown. Course form is too important to ignore. 16 of the last 22 Champion Hurdles winners had won at Cheltenham before. 8/9 of the winners since foot and mouth 2001, either won or placed at the previous year's festival, Sublimity's 4th in the supreme the only exception.
Year Winner Best Run Season Prior 2010 Binocular 3rd Champion Hurdle (G1) 2009 Punjabi 3rd Champion Hurdle (G1) 2008 Katchit WON Triumph Hurdle (G1) 2007 Sublimity 4th Supreme Novices Hdle (G1) 2006 Brave Inca 3rd Champion Hurdle (G1) 2005 Hardy Eustace WON Champion Hurdle (G1) 2004 Hardy Eustace WON RSA Hurdle (G1) 2003 Rooster Booster WON County Hurdle (G3 Hcap) 2002 Hors La Loi III 2nd Champion Hurdle 2000 (G1) |
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overturns run today surely gives peddlers a big boost as pc is blantley a better horse than overturn.
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i wouldn't be surprised if donald mccain was very happy immediately after todays race.
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Binocular on a track that doesn't suit on ground that doesn't suit wins easily with no real questions asked. I think they will be pretty happy with that. Have to say that's the best I have seen Binocular look today in the paddock. He is the perfect hurdling machine.
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Masterminded - agree fully. IMO he'll come quite a bit again (fitness, track and posibly better ground).
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i genuinely thought binocular would be beaten by 2 maybe 3 horses today, and i would still have fancied him for champion hurdle. after that performance i really fancy him for it, unbelievable
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Interested that many (me included) thought that binocular would need these races as a launchpad towards the champion as he did last year, has he improved or is it that he simply was never right last year and we're judgeing his preparations for this years defence unwisely?
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lets hope they all stay fit and well.
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Could it possibly be that the opposition today wasn't up to much apart from overturn who would have disliked the ground even more than bino....did all the donkey work and still stuck on really well.....i wonder how far peddlers beats him by on the gallops.....KK was beat a mile out...twister bang out of form.....starluck isn't up to it at the highest level...and the rest don't count......he did it well but it wasn't the strongest of fields really.
I wouldn't like to say whether he has improved on the fighting fifth form, he travelled well in both but today wasn't up against anything still going forward after the last....yes a stronger pace would have suited him better at newbury, but so too peddlers......and peddlers would have loved the way the race was run today for sure. |
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What a load of cr@p on this thread from the usual suspects .. pocket talkers anonymous CVByrne, Fully Fick Tw@t and sintonian .. the Three Hapless Muskateers.
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Very amateurish write up in the first post by CVByrne ... a five year old after-timing might have written that.
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well you can rule peddlers cross out if you dont think starlucks up to much. it was obvious that was not a real performance by binocular at newbury and peddlers cross was beat home to stay in front of starluck.
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who says peddlers cross was fully fit at newbury?
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PC did have to be ridden hard to win at Newbury, but the race turned into something of a sprint after no more than a reasonable early pace, which certainly wouldn't have been ideal for PC. Under the circumstances, he did well to win, imo.
PC is a very interesting contender for the CH and I feel very positive about his chances. However, marginally I still prefer Binocular. The pace was reasonably fast in the Christmas Hurdle yesterday, as it was in the 2010 CH, and in both cases Binocular looked absolutely top notch and won with relative ease. In both races, Binocular looked capable of pulling out more if needed and that has to be the mark of a very high class horse given the true pace of some the races he has now contested and won. He looks a remarkably good hurdler to me when there is a decent pace to run off. Yesterday also eased some of my concerns about just how important good ground is in relation to Binocular's chances of winning a second CH. Good ground would clearly be a bonus for the horse, but yesterday provided some further evidence that a softer surface wouldn't necessarily compromise his chances of retaining his crown in March. It would fantastic to watch if the likes of PC, Menorah and HF can inject enough quality into the race in March to stretch Binocular to his limits - I emphasise, we really haven't seen those limits exposed yet with the fully physically mature, peak fitness Binocular. |
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I agree Masterminded, the reverse of form between Binocular and Starluck would point to Binocular reversing Fighting Fifth form with Peddlers Cross.
In my opinion Peddlers was as fit as possible in the Fighting Fight given he was testing the waters against the Champ. While binocular most certainly wasn't. Also that race was run at a crawl while Overturn set a nice pace in the Christmas Hurdle which brings out the best in Binocular. I still can't understand the bullishness of some Peddlers Cross supporters based on one race. Yes he was unbeaten as a novice but novice form is just that, novice form. |
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Looking at the horses in the paddock at Newbury you could see Peddler's cross was very fit. I'm not saying he can't improve on that but he was fit. Binocular on the other hand was big and heavy looking and I will be honest I backed him but was not suprised of the outcome. I have said before in this thread looking at Binocular yesterday he looks to be better than I have ever seen him. He was pretty fit yesterday and I think the result proved that. One thing I will say is that they did not go that fast. I think the time will prove that and visually you could see they were not going too quick and Binocular at one point looked like he might go on in front of overturn. What I am most happy to see is that he's jumping consistently quickly. I don't know why he wasn't last year but whatever they did to get him right deserves a lot of credit. He was absolutely electric yesterday. Better ground plus Cheltenham plus a fast pace all will play into Binoculars strengths.
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The Champion Hurdle already looks like the 'race of the festival'.
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dont believe binocular has a problem operating on soft ground or flat tracks myself but he surely prefers good ground at cheltenham so his finishing kick can be maintained up the hill,looked really good in yesterdays race and the speed over some of those hurdles was amazing...bring on march as is shaping up to be one hell of a champion hurdle this year.
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if the ground is good it will pay to be with binocular, if the gorund has the word soft in it the irish contenders i.e HF and duuib will come in to it seriously, on good ground HF has no chance with severaL runners : binocular, PC, Menorah
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It will be interesting to see what the TS ratings are for yesterday's race. On the face of it, the pace was reasonably brisk for that type of small field race on soft ground. The time was nearly 3 seconds faster than Ski Sunday recorded in the earlier big field handicap hurdle and nearly 14 seconds faster than the juveniles recorded. The time was over 6 seconds faster than Go Native recorded in the 2009 renewal on ground that was perceived to be marginally quicker.
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