New Posts For Thread: Mullins and the Gold Cuphttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cupIt seems strange that Willie Mullins has won the Champion Hurdle virtually at will, yet has never won the Gold Cup, Stayers' Hurdle or Two Mile Champion Chase.Are there reasons for those omissions or are they just coincidental?Firstly, it would be foAintree maybe an easy 24f but the ground might be against Vautour. It is looking increasingly likely to be softish of good at best with rain very likely from wednesday evening onwards - Vautour is also friendless in either the Bowl or Melling market;https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548275205#548275205Aintree maybe an easy 24f but the ground might be against Vautour. It is looking increasingly likely to be softish of good at best with rain very likely from wednesday evening onwards - Vautour is also friendless in either the Bowl or Melling market;Sat, 02 Apr 2016 14:41:49 -0500My own comment was tongue in cheek meant to stir echoes of Mullins and Ricci's comments re Cheltenham. He'd only been trained for the Gold Cup and if it wasn't the Gold Cup he was staying at home. Now we have an easy three instead of going up the hilhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548275005#548275005My own comment was tongue in cheek meant to stir echoes of Mullins and Ricci's comments re Cheltenham. He'd only been trained for the Gold Cup and if it wasn't the Gold Cup he was staying at home. Now we have an easy three instead of going up the hilSat, 02 Apr 2016 14:30:16 -0500Yeah, and also add in the fact that if Vautour did happen to run over 3m at Aintree and win the race in a manner that suggested that he could have won a gold cup, then Mullins will have more questions to answer over his previous decision. He absolutehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548272283#548272283Yeah, and also add in the fact that if Vautour did happen to run over 3m at Aintree and win the race in a manner that suggested that he could have won a gold cup, then Mullins will have more questions to answer over his previous decision. He absoluteSat, 02 Apr 2016 11:27:04 -0500trigger3I wholly agreed: in my opinion one has more chance of winning the National Lottery 3 weeks running than WPM running Vautour in the 'Bowl' against Cue Card and Don Poli at Aintree next week; WPM's objective at Aintree is to secure the Trainershttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548271265#548271265trigger3I wholly agreed: in my opinion one has more chance of winning the National Lottery 3 weeks running than WPM running Vautour in the 'Bowl' against Cue Card and Don Poli at Aintree next week; WPM's objective at Aintree is to secure the TrainersSat, 02 Apr 2016 10:02:29 -0500I'd imagine that may be because run of the ill handicappers operate at a much lower level so this allows more leeway. Plus having a few pounds in hand won't harm them.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548270849#548270849I'd imagine that may be because run of the ill handicappers operate at a much lower level so this allows more leeway. Plus having a few pounds in hand won't harm them.Sat, 02 Apr 2016 09:28:20 -0500We'll have to agree to disagree EO. Athletes, no more than horses, cannot run in every event and have to narrow the options down. Cheltenham is the Olympics of NH racing so unless horses run twice that week they can't get the chance to be champion athttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548270677#548270677We'll have to agree to disagree EO. Athletes, no more than horses, cannot run in every event and have to narrow the options down. Cheltenham is the Olympics of NH racing so unless horses run twice that week they can't get the chance to be champion atSat, 02 Apr 2016 09:19:22 -0500You would think so, as it presents a perfect opportunity for him to begin plotting his horses path's towards next seasons Cheltenham festival. If Vautour beats Cue Card and Don Poli then he clearly needs targetting at next years gold cup and he can phttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548269971#548269971You would think so, as it presents a perfect opportunity for him to begin plotting his horses path's towards next seasons Cheltenham festival. If Vautour beats Cue Card and Don Poli then he clearly needs targetting at next years gold cup and he can pSat, 02 Apr 2016 08:26:55 -0500Yep I'd agree with that timtin. Horses that won't drop the bit tend to be the ones who don't stay, MTOY being a good example. By and large a top so called "2 miler" who settles well in a race, such as Douvan, will stay much further. In the modern erahttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548269463#548269463Yep I'd agree with that timtin. Horses that won't drop the bit tend to be the ones who don't stay, MTOY being a good example. By and large a top so called "2 miler" who settles well in a race, such as Douvan, will stay much further. In the modern eraSat, 02 Apr 2016 07:55:12 -0500I wonder if Mullins will be sending Vautour for the two and a hlaf or three miler at Aintree? Logic would suggest he'll be going the longer trip surely?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548269355#548269355I wonder if Mullins will be sending Vautour for the two and a hlaf or three miler at Aintree? Logic would suggest he'll be going the longer trip surely?Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:48:18 -0500firsttimerI also made the point about horses relative abilities in that the difference between 5000 and 10000 in male running is relatively small. For a horse it is significant. Many world and olympic events are won by the same person doing the doublhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30672405/mullins-and-the-gold-cup?post_id=548269319#548269319firsttimerI also made the point about horses relative abilities in that the difference between 5000 and 10000 in male running is relatively small. For a horse it is significant. Many world and olympic events are won by the same person doing the doublSat, 02 Apr 2016 07:44:51 -0500