New Posts For Thread: Hurricane Fly retiredhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retiredBeen an amazing horse.HURRICANE FLY, twice a winner of the Champion Hurdle, has been retired from racing, his trainer Willie Mullins has announced.In a spellbinding career spanning ten seasons, Hurricane Fly won 24 of his 32 races over hurdles but, mfair pints made their mate.My point was that IF one wants to compare 2 horses from different eras trying to work out which was best,, imo they should do it over the distance they won their best races over and the distance they were best known for onhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546574429#546574429fair pints made their mate.My point was that IF one wants to compare 2 horses from different eras trying to work out which was best,, imo they should do it over the distance they won their best races over and the distance they were best known for onTue, 20 Oct 2015 01:19:27 -0500Buddilea, I'd settle for a dead heat too. The fly has absolutely earned the right to comparisons with the all time greats, including Istabraq.Its just that some people deny this.We should not hang labels on the top hurdlers as regards their distance.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546573229#546573229Buddilea, I'd settle for a dead heat too. The fly has absolutely earned the right to comparisons with the all time greats, including Istabraq.Its just that some people deny this.We should not hang labels on the top hurdlers as regards their distance.Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:45:25 -0500fair points chief as always.I said earlier I don't think it fair to compare generations by having a pop at either of these great horses.But those that do want to do that, try and do it right., and compare them over the 2m distance imo.Don't bring uphttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546479543#546479543fair points chief as always.I said earlier I don't think it fair to compare generations by having a pop at either of these great horses.But those that do want to do that, try and do it right., and compare them over the 2m distance imo.Don't bring upSat, 10 Oct 2015 00:49:23 -0500I think it says a lot about the Fly that he could win two Champion Hurdles on ground much faster than ideal, where he was effectively playing away from home.When he had his ideal conditions he was almost unbeatable, and it's just unfortunate for himhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546476615#546476615I think it says a lot about the Fly that he could win two Champion Hurdles on ground much faster than ideal, where he was effectively playing away from home.When he had his ideal conditions he was almost unbeatable, and it's just unfortunate for himFri, 09 Oct 2015 14:55:51 -0500A valid defence of Istabraq Timtin, and all noted. I think that Firstimevisor was more about longevity. Both horses were fabulous and I actually agree that some of HFlys latter G1's were soft by not facing his own stable stars. However, he still hhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546468375#546468375A valid defence of Istabraq Timtin, and all noted. I think that Firstimevisor was more about longevity. Both horses were fabulous and I actually agree that some of HFlys latter G1's were soft by not facing his own stable stars. However, he still hThu, 08 Oct 2015 10:32:08 -0500@shockster whoever argues that See You Then & Master Minded don't make the cut as a great horses is not worth reading. Denman & Sprinter Sacre were near invincible before their injuries as well but they had few years of proving their worth as great hhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546467167#546467167@shockster whoever argues that See You Then & Master Minded don't make the cut as a great horses is not worth reading. Denman & Sprinter Sacre were near invincible before their injuries as well but they had few years of proving their worth as great hThu, 08 Oct 2015 08:36:16 -0500Great post Firstimevisor, really well put and having read it it's hard to argue with most of it. However, like Budd I don't think you can say UDS wouldn't have had a sniff in the Churdle. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but we all know he shhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546466513#546466513Great post Firstimevisor, really well put and having read it it's hard to argue with most of it. However, like Budd I don't think you can say UDS wouldn't have had a sniff in the Churdle. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, but we all know he shThu, 08 Oct 2015 07:15:23 -0500well it's all opinion,mine is that UDS would have won at least 1 champion hurdle,How anyone can say with that sort of confidence he would be that far away from winning one is beyond me.Judging by the time of the post I suggest a few drinks may have bhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546459221#546459221well it's all opinion,mine is that UDS would have won at least 1 champion hurdle,How anyone can say with that sort of confidence he would be that far away from winning one is beyond me.Judging by the time of the post I suggest a few drinks may have bWed, 07 Oct 2015 11:27:04 -0500Unplaced 3 times (form 342) and only 8 horses have finished ahead of him in his entire hurdling career. Legend.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546451831#546451831Unplaced 3 times (form 342) and only 8 horses have finished ahead of him in his entire hurdling career. Legend.Tue, 06 Oct 2015 15:23:57 -0500Great post. I was guilty of undervaluing the The Fly. Not any more. Thanks for putting the facts down and putting me straight. Now, can you give me the 1-2-3 for this years Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30578621/hurricane-fly-retired?post_id=546444453#546444453Great post. I was guilty of undervaluing the The Fly. Not any more. Thanks for putting the facts down and putting me straight. Now, can you give me the 1-2-3 for this years Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham.Tue, 06 Oct 2015 00:28:08 -0500