New Posts For Thread: Removed and settled runners from Cheltenham A/P lists?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-listsHave I missed a meeting? Or is this a monumental error.....surely we only do this after the supplementary stage, don't we?I just don't know how Betfair can justify any of these decisions as making sense. It doesn't suit anyone, and it clearly lowers the liquidity. It means layers can't lay, so backers don't get decent prices.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537945709#537945709I just don't know how Betfair can justify any of these decisions as making sense. It doesn't suit anyone, and it clearly lowers the liquidity. It means layers can't lay, so backers don't get decent prices.Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:25:35 -0600HM, I'm pretty much with you. I don't understand their business model any longer. I don't think they do either.To me, this is a minor irritation compared to the rule that denies the layer liability offsetting when laying thefield, but it's another nahttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537944387#537944387HM, I'm pretty much with you. I don't understand their business model any longer. I don't think they do either.To me, this is a minor irritation compared to the rule that denies the layer liability offsetting when laying thefield, but it's another naWed, 12 Feb 2014 12:37:17 -0600In my humble opinion it is not for Betfair to:a) Guess what may or may not happen regarding the make and shape of future racesb) Guess whether a horse may or may not line-up and/or be good enough to win and it is for Betfair to:c) Manage markets effihttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537941993#537941993In my humble opinion it is not for Betfair to:a) Guess what may or may not happen regarding the make and shape of future racesb) Guess whether a horse may or may not line-up and/or be good enough to win and it is for Betfair to:c) Manage markets effiWed, 12 Feb 2014 10:28:07 -0600This caused choas in the GC market as the whole market was 2.5% under-round for about two hours afterwards. It has only righted itself now. I suppose they are suggesting there are very few supplementary entries in these markets although I would havehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537939783#537939783This caused choas in the GC market as the whole market was 2.5% under-round for about two hours afterwards. It has only righted itself now. I suppose they are suggesting there are very few supplementary entries in these markets although I would haveWed, 12 Feb 2014 08:41:44 -0600Rule 13.2Please be aware that runners who have not been entered at the various entry stages may be removed from relevant race markets and all matched customer bet prices set to 1.0 even if there are later supplementary stages. Should it appear likelyhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537939287#537939287Rule 13.2Please be aware that runners who have not been entered at the various entry stages may be removed from relevant race markets and all matched customer bet prices set to 1.0 even if there are later supplementary stages. Should it appear likelyWed, 12 Feb 2014 08:17:07 -0600For F***s Sake. I consider myself to be one of the larger ante-post players, I might be wrong (maybe not these days as much as BF has ripped the @rse out of it). Was anyone consulted about this or asked if they thought it was a good idea? How abouhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537939257#537939257For F***s Sake. I consider myself to be one of the larger ante-post players, I might be wrong (maybe not these days as much as BF has ripped the @rse out of it). Was anyone consulted about this or asked if they thought it was a good idea? How abouWed, 12 Feb 2014 08:14:51 -0600Fair dinkums, not a cods-up. But what a weird way to proceed! I do a nice trade in laying non-entrants but I guess I may well pick up the odd large windfall instead when a supplementary entry occurs.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537939065#537939065Fair dinkums, not a cods-up. But what a weird way to proceed! I do a nice trade in laying non-entrants but I guess I may well pick up the odd large windfall instead when a supplementary entry occurs.Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:04:39 -0600Rule 13.2Please be aware that runners who have not been entered at the various entry stages may be removed from relevant race markets and all matched customer bet prices set to 1.0 even if there are later supplementary stages. Should it appear likelyhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537938901#537938901Rule 13.2Please be aware that runners who have not been entered at the various entry stages may be removed from relevant race markets and all matched customer bet prices set to 1.0 even if there are later supplementary stages. Should it appear likelyWed, 12 Feb 2014 07:56:39 -0600Just got a tweet. They've changed the rules and this is correct under the new rules.Think I'll sell my shares.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537938777#537938777Just got a tweet. They've changed the rules and this is correct under the new rules.Think I'll sell my shares.Wed, 12 Feb 2014 07:47:44 -0600Yes, I rang them Pete. Spoke to someone who didn't sound like he handle on much, who would have spoken to someone equally clueless I’d imagine.I don't know what's going on in Market Ops but that whole Department, which used to be brilliant imo, ishttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30199471/removed-and-settled-runners-from-cheltenham-ap-lists?post_id=537938747#537938747Yes, I rang them Pete. Spoke to someone who didn't sound like he handle on much, who would have spoken to someone equally clueless I’d imagine.I don't know what's going on in Market Ops but that whole Department, which used to be brilliant imo, isWed, 12 Feb 2014 07:45:20 -0600