New Posts For Thread: Flemenstar - Trainer Change ??https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-changeSending it to Vincent O'Brien wouldn't make this pig capable of beating the jet plane.Keep it where it is, win a couple of dodge pot races then think of excuses prior to and after Chelts as to why it couldn't get within 20 minutes of Sprinter Sacre..Difficult to place in the big races now I'd have thought.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=536398773#536398773Difficult to place in the big races now I'd have thought.Sun, 10 Nov 2013 10:27:31 -0600*come backhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=536397501#536397501*come backSun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:21 -0600Bit of an underwhelming cone back.Didn't jump anywhere near as well as he can, so jury out for now. May come on a tonne for it thoughhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=536397491#536397491Bit of an underwhelming cone back.Didn't jump anywhere near as well as he can, so jury out for now. May come on a tonne for it thoughSun, 10 Nov 2013 09:14:51 -0600Owners pay the bills and every right to do what they like . Feel sorry for the previous trainer as he's a nice guy. Why settle for second best ? Owner should have sent him to the best Irish trainer and ridden by the best jockey around, Mullins and Wahttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535748357#535748357Owners pay the bills and every right to do what they like . Feel sorry for the previous trainer as he's a nice guy. Why settle for second best ? Owner should have sent him to the best Irish trainer and ridden by the best jockey around, Mullins and WaWed, 02 Oct 2013 09:43:04 -0500The horse deserves to be judged on what he achieves going forward,now he will hopefully be trained and campaigned properly and according to his strengths.Hes a bold jumper and will appreciate a fast paced 2m imo,and if he takes on SS and jumps like hhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535734077#535734077The horse deserves to be judged on what he achieves going forward,now he will hopefully be trained and campaigned properly and according to his strengths.Hes a bold jumper and will appreciate a fast paced 2m imo,and if he takes on SS and jumps like hTue, 01 Oct 2013 12:56:34 -0500I am yet to be convinced about Flemenstar and do not have a top class rating for him yet, so it's a watching briefhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535723017#535723017I am yet to be convinced about Flemenstar and do not have a top class rating for him yet, so it's a watching briefMon, 30 Sep 2013 17:45:58 -0500Interesting to hear that about Hanbury and Cumani. I agree with you entirely, and think owners should be accommodated, but I just took a real dislike to the way Flemenstar was campaigned last term (and the way the stories surrounding his wellbeing anhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535717163#535717163Interesting to hear that about Hanbury and Cumani. I agree with you entirely, and think owners should be accommodated, but I just took a real dislike to the way Flemenstar was campaigned last term (and the way the stories surrounding his wellbeing anMon, 30 Sep 2013 11:49:54 -0500maybe so don't mean that the owner, who pays the bills, can't have a sayPipes yard bent over backwards to keep us informed (horse had two separate whole seasons off with injury), made sure races planned suited us if we intended to go and watch the hohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535716619#535716619maybe so don't mean that the owner, who pays the bills, can't have a sayPipes yard bent over backwards to keep us informed (horse had two separate whole seasons off with injury), made sure races planned suited us if we intended to go and watch the hoMon, 30 Sep 2013 11:15:13 -0500There are of course exceptions, but I think most trainers know a heck of a lot more than their owners do...https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535714151#535714151There are of course exceptions, but I think most trainers know a heck of a lot more than their owners do...Mon, 30 Sep 2013 08:49:04 -0500yeah how dare owners have the temerity to tell the trainer what they expect or want?I had a horse with David Nicholson and he was exactly like that, rude, non communicative and downright offensive, took us all over the country and never let the handbhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/30072761/flemenstar---trainer-change?post_id=535713443#535713443yeah how dare owners have the temerity to tell the trainer what they expect or want?I had a horse with David Nicholson and he was exactly like that, rude, non communicative and downright offensive, took us all over the country and never let the handbMon, 30 Sep 2013 08:09:31 -0500