New Posts For Thread: Supreme Novice time v Champion Hurdle Time.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-timehow do you explain the huge difference?What going allowance do you come up with for these 2 races?The average of the 2, gives CF a very big number, and HF a poor one, or 2 different going allowances?all the other races point to it being around the 33L/mile slow on my numbers, so I'll go with that, and give CF a very big number.CF 125HF 116Not my bread and butter, just like to dip in for the 4 days every year. Interesting sport nonetheless.I canhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529916769#529916769all the other races point to it being around the 33L/mile slow on my numbers, so I'll go with that, and give CF a very big number.CF 125HF 116Not my bread and butter, just like to dip in for the 4 days every year. Interesting sport nonetheless.I canSun, 17 Mar 2013 10:46:33 -0500think one of this years novices will win next years champion. Preference to tent.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529913507#529913507think one of this years novices will win next years champion. Preference to tent.Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:45:58 -0500HF's winning time in 2011 was also significantly slower than that year's Supreme. Coincidence?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529913385#529913385HF's winning time in 2011 was also significantly slower than that year's Supreme. Coincidence?Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:38:40 -0500Turftrax have supplied sectional times this year, so its worthwhile looking at those to get the answer.Watching the Champion Hurdle I also got the feeling that jockeys on RoR, Countrywide Flame and Zarkandar were under instruction to try and burn thehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529913369#529913369Turftrax have supplied sectional times this year, so its worthwhile looking at those to get the answer.Watching the Champion Hurdle I also got the feeling that jockeys on RoR, Countrywide Flame and Zarkandar were under instruction to try and burn theSun, 17 Mar 2013 08:37:49 -0500Roger, i dont do SFs but i do study sectionals, which tell the story of this race....a dozen or so hoofprints aint going to make any discernible difference to race timestotally agree with that reading, duffy...thought the rides on H Fly and Bobs Worthttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529913081#529913081Roger, i dont do SFs but i do study sectionals, which tell the story of this race....a dozen or so hoofprints aint going to make any discernible difference to race timestotally agree with that reading, duffy...thought the rides on H Fly and Bobs WortSun, 17 Mar 2013 08:21:57 -0500That's why zark was knackered at the end because jacob was so determined to keep his horse in touch (without realizing that fehily was absolutely killing them with his early fractions) that he used absolutely everything up....yeh, zark wanted a stronhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529904023#529904023That's why zark was knackered at the end because jacob was so determined to keep his horse in touch (without realizing that fehily was absolutely killing them with his early fractions) that he used absolutely everything up....yeh, zark wanted a stronSat, 16 Mar 2013 19:11:48 -0500It wasn't a slow race, well, apart from the end bit, between the 2nd and 3rd hurdles up hill, fehily put the hammer down and went a full 3 secs quicker than the supreme, that killed them late on and walsh that kept an even pace through-out towed themhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529903919#529903919It wasn't a slow race, well, apart from the end bit, between the 2nd and 3rd hurdles up hill, fehily put the hammer down and went a full 3 secs quicker than the supreme, that killed them late on and walsh that kept an even pace through-out towed themSat, 16 Mar 2013 19:07:09 -0500what SF you give CF & HF duncan?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529890483#529890483what SF you give CF & HF duncan?Sat, 16 Mar 2013 10:41:29 -0500going opened up by 12 horses = 3+secs diff ...smell the coffee ladshttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529889627#529889627going opened up by 12 horses = 3+secs diff ...smell the coffee ladsSat, 16 Mar 2013 10:06:51 -0500Could be that the form of the form of the Supreme is very strong. That's the most likely explanation.Don't think Hurricane Fly quickened like he has in the past. Plus he had a few worrying strides in the middle of the race and now Mullins is talkinghttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29813783/supreme-novice-time-v-champion-hurdle-time?post_id=529886489#529886489Could be that the form of the form of the Supreme is very strong. That's the most likely explanation.Don't think Hurricane Fly quickened like he has in the past. Plus he had a few worrying strides in the middle of the race and now Mullins is talkingSat, 16 Mar 2013 07:46:00 -0500