New Posts For Thread: What would Tidal Bay have achieved underhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-underadd your message hereNicholls has said that there was some Bleeding issues, not every ailment is easily diagnosed and its my opinion that he has been hurting for a lot of his career and that he'll only really show his best on really soft ground.If you look at previous vihttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526647613#526647613Nicholls has said that there was some Bleeding issues, not every ailment is easily diagnosed and its my opinion that he has been hurting for a lot of his career and that he'll only really show his best on really soft ground.If you look at previous viThu, 06 Dec 2012 05:09:31 -0600Obviously on what Tidal Bay has achieved relative to Denman and especially Kauto he is not close but this discussion is about "what if" Nichols had him from early.I don't think it's much of a stretch of imagination to say Nichols is easily 20lbs betthttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526639789#526639789Obviously on what Tidal Bay has achieved relative to Denman and especially Kauto he is not close but this discussion is about "what if" Nichols had him from early.I don't think it's much of a stretch of imagination to say Nichols is easily 20lbs bettWed, 05 Dec 2012 17:44:42 -0600racingguru,are you a LIverpool fan by any chance,Your delusion knows no bounds.Tidal Bay is a very,very good horse,But to talk about him in higher regard than the likes of Denman and Kauto is nothing short of idiocy.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526638543#526638543racingguru,are you a LIverpool fan by any chance,Your delusion knows no bounds.Tidal Bay is a very,very good horse,But to talk about him in higher regard than the likes of Denman and Kauto is nothing short of idiocy.Wed, 05 Dec 2012 16:58:49 -0600Denmanism - I don't believe Kauto truly stayed the GC trip so Denman's "feat" of beating him there is all that amazing. Undoubtedly he was a very very good horse nonetheless just I think Tidal could have been something else. What about Norton's Coin?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526634997#526634997Denmanism - I don't believe Kauto truly stayed the GC trip so Denman's "feat" of beating him there is all that amazing. Undoubtedly he was a very very good horse nonetheless just I think Tidal could have been something else. What about Norton's Coin?Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:13:53 -0600I'm not (and have never been) convinced that the horse is a 'quirky' as some like to make out.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526634421#526634421I'm not (and have never been) convinced that the horse is a 'quirky' as some like to make out.Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:57:52 -0600Are we saying that johnson made the horse quirky?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526634015#526634015Are we saying that johnson made the horse quirky?Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:44:48 -0600Had he been trained by Nicholls he would probably have finished 5th in the Grand Annual after playing 2nd fiddle to Noland in the 2m Novice Chase divisionhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526633541#526633541Had he been trained by Nicholls he would probably have finished 5th in the Grand Annual after playing 2nd fiddle to Noland in the 2m Novice Chase divisionWed, 05 Dec 2012 14:27:00 -0600I hope Howard Johnson never trains a horse again. Tidal Bay was badly let down by that plank.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526633535#526633535I hope Howard Johnson never trains a horse again. Tidal Bay was badly let down by that plank.Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:26:51 -0600I wouldn't discount racingguru's opinion off at all. I think he may have been slightly optimistic on TB's ability but I certainly think the horse has the raw ability to have had made the KS/Denman battle a three-way tussle.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526633359#526633359I wouldn't discount racingguru's opinion off at all. I think he may have been slightly optimistic on TB's ability but I certainly think the horse has the raw ability to have had made the KS/Denman battle a three-way tussle.Wed, 05 Dec 2012 14:23:15 -0600I think I'm correct in stating that BEFORE this season's Arkle, Sprinter Sacre had a higher rating than ANY Arkle WINNER (after they'd won) over the last 30+ years except for Tidal Bay.It shouldn't be forgotten just how good Tidal Bay has always beenhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29518975/what-would-tidal-bay-have-achieved-under?post_id=526632189#526632189I think I'm correct in stating that BEFORE this season's Arkle, Sprinter Sacre had a higher rating than ANY Arkle WINNER (after they'd won) over the last 30+ years except for Tidal Bay.It shouldn't be forgotten just how good Tidal Bay has always beenWed, 05 Dec 2012 13:50:09 -0600