New Posts For Thread: What's gone wrong with Grands Crus?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crusIn his last two races Grands Crus hit the wall at the top of the Chletenham hill abut half a mile from the finish. He's looked a shadw of the horse that won the Feltham, the Cleeve and pushed Big Buck's.What do you think has gone worng with him? NothWith Big Bucks out, surely back the stayers hurdle is the best option.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=527517217#527517217With Big Bucks out, surely back the stayers hurdle is the best option.Thu, 27 Dec 2012 05:00:10 -0600Would be interested in his price for his next race. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes straight to Cheltenham now. I still think there's more to come from this horse. Hopefully the breathing problem is resolved now and he can get used to the effects ofhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=527508325#527508325Would be interested in his price for his next race. Wouldn't surprise me if he goes straight to Cheltenham now. I still think there's more to come from this horse. Hopefully the breathing problem is resolved now and he can get used to the effects ofWed, 26 Dec 2012 15:27:08 -0600Yeah I clocked that too and thought 'wtf?'https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=527505567#527505567Yeah I clocked that too and thought 'wtf?'Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:31:00 -0600Grands Crus travelled a lot better today, but after that race it has to be the Ryanair for him.He's 10/1 with Hills to win any race at the Festival, whereas most bookies go 8/1 for the Ryanair alone.Did make me laugh when he kept getting referred tohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=527501171#527501171Grands Crus travelled a lot better today, but after that race it has to be the Ryanair for him.He's 10/1 with Hills to win any race at the Festival, whereas most bookies go 8/1 for the Ryanair alone.Did make me laugh when he kept getting referred toWed, 26 Dec 2012 10:17:10 -0600.. in top class races.The Feltham is a negative on a prospective top class stayers CV and connections are far from the best at producing top class staying chasers with years gone by including the fathers reign there is not much on the table without thttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526699879#526699879.. in top class races.The Feltham is a negative on a prospective top class stayers CV and connections are far from the best at producing top class staying chasers with years gone by including the fathers reign there is not much on the table without tSat, 08 Dec 2012 01:18:18 -0600Grands Crus is not a true stayer OVER FENCES which as we all know is completely different to a stayer over hurdles that take less energy from a horse.In addition he isnt even a speed stayer OVER FENCES at 3m unless the ground is fast. Slowish groundhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526699791#526699791Grands Crus is not a true stayer OVER FENCES which as we all know is completely different to a stayer over hurdles that take less energy from a horse.In addition he isnt even a speed stayer OVER FENCES at 3m unless the ground is fast. Slowish groundSat, 08 Dec 2012 01:08:08 -0600RP 1/1/12 D.Pipe "Grands Crus is having an easy time at present,just walking, but he seems fine after his operation"https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526539379#526539379RP 1/1/12 D.Pipe "Grands Crus is having an easy time at present,just walking, but he seems fine after his operation"Sun, 02 Dec 2012 08:14:01 -0600StakeI share tinkler's view that even looking on the TV, GC's condition didn't look great. He looked very light. Francome also commented on this. I think he hammered them on merit last year but that was last year and I didn't think Kempton suited eithttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526392537#526392537StakeI share tinkler's view that even looking on the TV, GC's condition didn't look great. He looked very light. Francome also commented on this. I think he hammered them on merit last year but that was last year and I didn't think Kempton suited eitMon, 26 Nov 2012 18:21:39 -0600Surely he stopped far too early and quickly for it to be simply be a breathing problem? I'm sorry stake but if the horse that won the Feltham is to come back, I think he'll need more time.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526388077#526388077Surely he stopped far too early and quickly for it to be simply be a breathing problem? I'm sorry stake but if the horse that won the Feltham is to come back, I think he'll need more time.Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:32:59 -0600Thought Grand Cru's feltham effort was one of the top performances by any chaser in he UK and Ireland last season. Willing to forgive one poor performance ,but the second one was the nail in the coffin for this horse imo.Pipe reckoned that Grand Cruhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29498885/whats-gone-wrong-with-grands-crus?post_id=526386777#526386777Thought Grand Cru's feltham effort was one of the top performances by any chaser in he UK and Ireland last season. Willing to forgive one poor performance ,but the second one was the nail in the coffin for this horse imo.Pipe reckoned that Grand CruMon, 26 Nov 2012 14:56:14 -0600