New Posts For Thread: time for rupert 27s to place on here !https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-hereran a stormer in this years gold cup always in the 1st 2 and jumping well ,possibly took it up too early when leader midnight chase folded and was a bit of a sitting duck for the finishers ran well to finish 5th not beaten all that far and if theyThat's the theory, but it assumes that weight can be readily equated to distance and that different horses carry weight equally well. Yes and pretty much. To an extent it also assumes that weight is the same irrespective of trip and ground and that thttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520597559#520597559That's the theory, but it assumes that weight can be readily equated to distance and that different horses carry weight equally well. Yes and pretty much. To an extent it also assumes that weight is the same irrespective of trip and ground and that tFri, 08 Jun 2012 12:03:57 -0500That's the theory, but it assumes that weight can be readily equated to distance and that different horses carry weight equally well. To an extent it also assumes that weight is the same irrespective of trip and ground and that the speed of the horsehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520596713#520596713That's the theory, but it assumes that weight can be readily equated to distance and that different horses carry weight equally well. To an extent it also assumes that weight is the same irrespective of trip and ground and that the speed of the horseFri, 08 Jun 2012 11:45:30 -0500When I said 2 I meant 2 ratings which distance wise depends on distance of race, ground, pace of race etc. I think ratings are completely transferable from handicaps to graded races else they'd be no point having them. I wouldn't say ratings are morehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520594399#520594399When I said 2 I meant 2 ratings which distance wise depends on distance of race, ground, pace of race etc. I think ratings are completely transferable from handicaps to graded races else they'd be no point having them. I wouldn't say ratings are moreFri, 08 Jun 2012 11:01:28 -0500Im onhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520593963#520593963Im onFri, 08 Jun 2012 10:53:19 -0500Sorry to follow up my own post but I think your post highlights something rather interesting - what we use ratings for. I'm generally much more interested in Grade 1 races - i.e. level weights races, whereas you hint your ratings work best for handichttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520590337#520590337Sorry to follow up my own post but I think your post highlights something rather interesting - what we use ratings for. I'm generally much more interested in Grade 1 races - i.e. level weights races, whereas you hint your ratings work best for handicFri, 08 Jun 2012 09:26:18 -0500Re the 180 v 120 race run at an end to end gallop on proper NH ground - that's exactly where stamina would become key and the weight would matter, so I expect you might be right in those circumstances. Though in an end to end gallop the 180 horse shohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520590145#520590145Re the 180 v 120 race run at an end to end gallop on proper NH ground - that's exactly where stamina would become key and the weight would matter, so I expect you might be right in those circumstances. Though in an end to end gallop the 180 horse shoFri, 08 Jun 2012 09:22:29 -0500I'd disagree with conclusion of my hypothetical race. I believe my ratings and to that point if there was an end to end gallop I just don't think the 180+ horse would have a prayer assuming proper NH ground. Anything goes in the summer hence the reashttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520589705#520589705I'd disagree with conclusion of my hypothetical race. I believe my ratings and to that point if there was an end to end gallop I just don't think the 180+ horse would have a prayer assuming proper NH ground. Anything goes in the summer hence the reasFri, 08 Jun 2012 09:08:48 -0500OK, I take your point. Your first paragraph is right - it's not a linear scale even though it's presented as such. Curiously, I think the problem is in the middle - the 130-165 sort of ratings. There appears to be compression at the top (i.e. in levehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520587443#520587443OK, I take your point. Your first paragraph is right - it's not a linear scale even though it's presented as such. Curiously, I think the problem is in the middle - the 130-165 sort of ratings. There appears to be compression at the top (i.e. in leveFri, 08 Jun 2012 08:07:08 -0500Firstly my ratings are a little different to that given by the official handicapper (lower). For me the higher the class of horses go the rarer they run to their handicap mark if that makes sense as the top rated horses rarely can win off their handihttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520577111#520577111Firstly my ratings are a little different to that given by the official handicapper (lower). For me the higher the class of horses go the rarer they run to their handicap mark if that makes sense as the top rated horses rarely can win off their handiThu, 07 Jun 2012 21:40:22 -0500What did you rate Kauto at when he won the 2009 King George by 36 l (OR 193)? If he ran to less than 180, i.e. 179-, no other horse ran to 143 or better. Seems unlikely.What about his 2009 Gold Cup when he ran an OR of 186 and beat Denman, Exotic Danhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29097575/time-for-rupert-27s-to-place-on-here?post_id=520573295#520573295What did you rate Kauto at when he won the 2009 King George by 36 l (OR 193)? If he ran to less than 180, i.e. 179-, no other horse ran to 143 or better. Seems unlikely.What about his 2009 Gold Cup when he ran an OR of 186 and beat Denman, Exotic DanThu, 07 Jun 2012 18:43:40 -0500