New Posts For Thread: Why Long Run lost today.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-todayIn my humble opinion of course:In the last few gold cups the out and out stayers have been burned off by a quickening of the pace by the likes of Denman and last year by Kauto going up the hill on the far side. All they could do is sometimes pick upThanks for going easy on me, i would swap in a second my analysis of jockey comments and tidy theories for a genuine eye for races which plenty of posters including yourself display on this forum. When SWC looks like hes working at the bottom of thehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517781599#517781599Thanks for going easy on me, i would swap in a second my analysis of jockey comments and tidy theories for a genuine eye for races which plenty of posters including yourself display on this forum. When SWC looks like hes working at the bottom of theWed, 21 Mar 2012 16:31:45 -0500maybe long run just had a bad year.he might come back next year revitalised and will all in front of him.i know hes french etc but he will be only 8..https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517701361#517701361maybe long run just had a bad year.he might come back next year revitalised and will all in front of him.i know hes french etc but he will be only 8..Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:11:39 -0500Not bolllocks at all. Always happy to read another theory. Even if I disagree, as long as it is thought out it makes me think and it has:Your case causes me to ask how you can blunt a faster horse at Kempton but not up the Cheltenham hill over two anhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517687389#517687389Not bolllocks at all. Always happy to read another theory. Even if I disagree, as long as it is thought out it makes me think and it has:Your case causes me to ask how you can blunt a faster horse at Kempton but not up the Cheltenham hill over two anSun, 18 Mar 2012 19:18:09 -0500Both of the above two points - fast ground and ageing horses fading - and also another point which im probably retrofitting to help my view and could probably be blown out of the water by someone with a better eye or a stopwatch. I don't think kautohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517683951#517683951Both of the above two points - fast ground and ageing horses fading - and also another point which im probably retrofitting to help my view and could probably be blown out of the water by someone with a better eye or a stopwatch. I don't think kautoSun, 18 Mar 2012 17:23:21 -0500Ground was much 0.22seconds per furlong faster last year - actually good to firm that day based on race times - he was probably at the limit of his stamina that day. Have been arguing for a while that he only appeared to be staying so well because hhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517673315#517673315Ground was much 0.22seconds per furlong faster last year - actually good to firm that day based on race times - he was probably at the limit of his stamina that day. Have been arguing for a while that he only appeared to be staying so well because hSun, 18 Mar 2012 12:21:27 -0500He couldn't see out his finish in a slower race than last year but flew up the hill last year despite Kauto putting pace to the race down the far side. How do you account for that?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517672927#517672927He couldn't see out his finish in a slower race than last year but flew up the hill last year despite Kauto putting pace to the race down the far side. How do you account for that?Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:06:07 -0500Continued to grind all the way to the line? Looked like everyone behind him had settled for their position by the last fence.Im not trying to make an exact science out of this one furlong burst, its just the only way i could think to explain that hehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517664745#517664745Continued to grind all the way to the line? Looked like everyone behind him had settled for their position by the last fence.Im not trying to make an exact science out of this one furlong burst, its just the only way i could think to explain that heSun, 18 Mar 2012 06:38:51 -0500I'm sorry but your interpretation simply isn't what happened in my view. Brennan did look through his legs but he wasn't holding Nacarat up as can be seen by the fact that within half a furlong of that point Long Run had come past him and jumped intohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517653435#517653435I'm sorry but your interpretation simply isn't what happened in my view. Brennan did look through his legs but he wasn't holding Nacarat up as can be seen by the fact that within half a furlong of that point Long Run had come past him and jumped intoSat, 17 Mar 2012 17:05:45 -0500The '10 gold cup im less sure about but how can you prove to be stayer in a king george? Paddy Brennan rounds the last bend holding nacarat up and looking through his legs and then him and KS make thir mistakes. LR essentially outstays riverside theahttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517652449#517652449The '10 gold cup im less sure about but how can you prove to be stayer in a king george? Paddy Brennan rounds the last bend holding nacarat up and looking through his legs and then him and KS make thir mistakes. LR essentially outstays riverside theaSat, 17 Mar 2012 16:30:51 -0500Have another look at last years King George. No evidence of any magical one furlong quickening and slowly plodding on. He ground them down all the way to the line constantly lenghtening the gap between himself and his pursuers despite being pushed alhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/29002265/why-long-run-lost-today?post_id=517651047#517651047Have another look at last years King George. No evidence of any magical one furlong quickening and slowly plodding on. He ground them down all the way to the line constantly lenghtening the gap between himself and his pursuers despite being pushed alSat, 17 Mar 2012 15:46:49 -0500