New Posts For Thread: the Fly post mortemhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortemWhat are the thoughts on his defeat?Not 100%?Going too quick?Last year not as strong a race?..... where did Overturn find 20 or so lengths from?etcTactics certainly beat Binocular. They had a simple gameplan - stalk Hurricane Fly and try and win a sprint finish. Shame they forgot about the front two. That said, you can't really take much away from ROR - a deserved winhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510791#517510791Tactics certainly beat Binocular. They had a simple gameplan - stalk Hurricane Fly and try and win a sprint finish. Shame they forgot about the front two. That said, you can't really take much away from ROR - a deserved winWed, 14 Mar 2012 04:56:25 -0500My own take on it is that HF was flattered last year. He beat stayers for pace. Which is an opinion I posted up pre-race btw This year was made a test, which of course can blunt the finishers. Perfectly judged rides from the first two, gave themselvhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510421#517510421My own take on it is that HF was flattered last year. He beat stayers for pace. Which is an opinion I posted up pre-race btw This year was made a test, which of course can blunt the finishers. Perfectly judged rides from the first two, gave themselvWed, 14 Mar 2012 04:29:38 -0500People also forget that HF was a sick horse all Winter and Mullins refused to run him because "he wasn't showing his old sparkle". Suddenly this was overlooked following his Leopardstown win. I have never got the feeling that HF was as good as he washttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510405#517510405People also forget that HF was a sick horse all Winter and Mullins refused to run him because "he wasn't showing his old sparkle". Suddenly this was overlooked following his Leopardstown win. I have never got the feeling that HF was as good as he wasWed, 14 Mar 2012 04:28:39 -0500Whatever excuses you want to make he was hugely disappointing - if he really was a superstar in the first place. I am the last person to defend jockeys - particularly ones like Walsh who can appear overly cocky - but I think he was close enough if gohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510315#517510315Whatever excuses you want to make he was hugely disappointing - if he really was a superstar in the first place. I am the last person to defend jockeys - particularly ones like Walsh who can appear overly cocky - but I think he was close enough if goWed, 14 Mar 2012 04:24:09 -0500Basically you are advocating not backing short prices on the opening day due to Claisse's made up going descriptions. There is a lot to be said for that.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510281#517510281Basically you are advocating not backing short prices on the opening day due to Claisse's made up going descriptions. There is a lot to be said for that.Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:22:17 -0500I agree with Cuder....one would assume Fehily and Maguire got the tactics wrong at the midway stage of the race, and that Walsh and McCoy had theirs spot on. Hurricane Fly and Binocular backers blaming the jockeys for their defeats clearly don't undehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510261#517510261I agree with Cuder....one would assume Fehily and Maguire got the tactics wrong at the midway stage of the race, and that Walsh and McCoy had theirs spot on. Hurricane Fly and Binocular backers blaming the jockeys for their defeats clearly don't undeWed, 14 Mar 2012 04:21:07 -0500In my opinion that was Hurricane Fly's peak form IN THE CONDITIONS. In different conditions, he is capable of a lot more.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510195#517510195In my opinion that was Hurricane Fly's peak form IN THE CONDITIONS. In different conditions, he is capable of a lot more.Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:17:25 -0500ROR (and Overturn for that matter) used more energy at the start, and had more left at the finish. People are deluding themselves if they think tactics beat Hurricane Fly.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517510163#517510163ROR (and Overturn for that matter) used more energy at the start, and had more left at the finish. People are deluding themselves if they think tactics beat Hurricane Fly.Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:15:35 -0500agreed ^ Next year the fly will be ridden much closer and win. At least there will be a price next year :)https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517509947#517509947agreed ^ Next year the fly will be ridden much closer and win. At least there will be a price next year :)Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:00:42 -0500The evidence is there that the front 2 stayed there to the end including Overturn a horse outclassed on slower ground before by those in behind yesterday. The time was fairly quick suggesting the ground was pretty good, which made it easier for the lhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28994995/the-fly-post-mortem?post_id=517509541#517509541The evidence is there that the front 2 stayed there to the end including Overturn a horse outclassed on slower ground before by those in behind yesterday. The time was fairly quick suggesting the ground was pretty good, which made it easier for the lWed, 14 Mar 2012 03:22:35 -0500