New Posts For Thread: Place laying the jollies each race at the fezhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fezJust something ive just come up with, maybe flawed before its even begun but could be a nice money spinner should anyones antepost and day of race bets come unstuck.Start with a level £100 in betfairI have looked up last years results, admittedly onIn 2008-2009 you would have lost close to 10pts laying the favourite to placeThere's no way you could consider this a profitable system with 2 losing years from the last 4https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517265971#517265971In 2008-2009 you would have lost close to 10pts laying the favourite to placeThere's no way you could consider this a profitable system with 2 losing years from the last 4Wed, 07 Mar 2012 11:46:45 -0600That is just amazing! Many, many thanks - we forget the "best" horses don't win (insert any reason you want here).... it appears they can't even place profitably either.Need Nads the size of planets mind you to lay em and this emphasises the point thhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517265767#517265767That is just amazing! Many, many thanks - we forget the "best" horses don't win (insert any reason you want here).... it appears they can't even place profitably either.Need Nads the size of planets mind you to lay em and this emphasises the point thWed, 07 Mar 2012 11:40:25 -0600200814 favs unplaced from 29 runners (co-favs or jt-favs in 3 races)Laying to lose €100 on each runner (incl €100 on all co & jt favs) would have yielded a loss of €579.49 from all races (assumed 5% commission on winning lays)Best win would havhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517263407#517263407200814 favs unplaced from 29 runners (co-favs or jt-favs in 3 races)Laying to lose €100 on each runner (incl €100 on all co & jt favs) would have yielded a loss of €579.49 from all races (assumed 5% commission on winning lays)Best win would havWed, 07 Mar 2012 10:33:47 -0600Ming_the_MercilessNot sure about - just the place lay - cant get it on the massey site .https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517261011#517261011Ming_the_MercilessNot sure about - just the place lay - cant get it on the massey site .Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:26:36 -0600And you can also change your settings under the options tab to get the projected sp.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517251919#517251919And you can also change your settings under the options tab to get the projected sp.Wed, 07 Mar 2012 02:37:14 -0600Sorry i didn't make this clear above. As above stats given by zealot above as sp fav's then lays will need to be placed just before the off obviously. I get what you saying, but there are ways around this i.e comparing oddschecker and having a couplehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517251901#517251901Sorry i didn't make this clear above. As above stats given by zealot above as sp fav's then lays will need to be placed just before the off obviously. I get what you saying, but there are ways around this i.e comparing oddschecker and having a coupleWed, 07 Mar 2012 02:35:07 -0600What you going to do in races where it is not obvious what the fav will be?The touble with these "lay the fav" type stats and systems is that you only know for sure what is the fav in some races when it goes off. You lay in the morning, 1hour beforehttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517251853#517251853What you going to do in races where it is not obvious what the fav will be?The touble with these "lay the fav" type stats and systems is that you only know for sure what is the fav in some races when it goes off. You lay in the morning, 1hour beforeWed, 07 Mar 2012 02:28:05 -0600Yes absolutely top stuff, couldn't ask for anymore. Notice the only year a loss at betfair sp is laying the win was last year since 2004!I think onto a winning formula here. Couple bumper years in there, where the loss is fairly significant. Start wihttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517251759#517251759Yes absolutely top stuff, couldn't ask for anymore. Notice the only year a loss at betfair sp is laying the win was last year since 2004!I think onto a winning formula here. Couple bumper years in there, where the loss is fairly significant. Start wiWed, 07 Mar 2012 02:16:03 -0600Zealot - top stuff - interested in these posts especially the one timed at 20.03 .... and returning to the OP's question, what would laying for the place only result in?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517250547#517250547Zealot - top stuff - interested in these posts especially the one timed at 20.03 .... and returning to the OP's question, what would laying for the place only result in?Wed, 07 Mar 2012 00:15:37 -0600^^^^^Results broken down by Race TypeBets Wins Win Strike Rate Win %Return at Estimated Betfair OddsOther Flat 1 1 100.0% 259.6%Handicap Hurdle 24 1 4.2% 25.7%Novice Hurdle 20 5 25.0% 80.6%Novice Handicaphttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28974471/place-laying-the-jollies-each-race-at-the-fez?post_id=517244615#517244615^^^^^Results broken down by Race TypeBets Wins Win Strike Rate Win %Return at Estimated Betfair OddsOther Flat 1 1 100.0% 259.6%Handicap Hurdle 24 1 4.2% 25.7%Novice Hurdle 20 5 25.0% 80.6%Novice HandicapTue, 06 Mar 2012 19:05:18 -0600