New Posts For Thread: toms champion hurdle pick!https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pickfollowing on from the lively debates sparked by the pricewise gold cup selections that will hopefully continue for a good while , tom segal selects his champion hurdle hope in the next week or 2 .if we can second guess him there is a good chance ofMe too!That's probably why I'm so fixated about getting at least somethin back from this beast!https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514883319#514883319Me too!That's probably why I'm so fixated about getting at least somethin back from this beast!Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:18:40 -0600Fair enough. As you say, each to their own. I dont really have a strong feeling on whether or not he would stay 3m. And whilst I agree the World Hurdle is a softer option, purely based on which race wil be run to suit OW best, I think the CH is the rhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514881781#514881781Fair enough. As you say, each to their own. I dont really have a strong feeling on whether or not he would stay 3m. And whilst I agree the World Hurdle is a softer option, purely based on which race wil be run to suit OW best, I think the CH is the rWed, 11 Jan 2012 10:42:32 -0600Mo Farrah 'travels easily' in the 5k - no one suggests he should go back to the 800m.The horses breeding is more stamina oriented than speed, and wasn't (IMO) stopping at the end of the Neptune (last hurdle error notwithstanding.The question for connhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514881399#514881399Mo Farrah 'travels easily' in the 5k - no one suggests he should go back to the 800m.The horses breeding is more stamina oriented than speed, and wasn't (IMO) stopping at the end of the Neptune (last hurdle error notwithstanding.The question for connWed, 11 Jan 2012 10:34:28 -0600Disagree with which bit rog?!https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514880703#514880703Disagree with which bit rog?!Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:18:55 -0600oh he wanted to go faster alright,just watch him during the race,jockey had a bit of a fight with him at times.He aint short of speed and he does stay further than 2m,not a bad cocktail for a Churdle.He may not win the race,but it wont be the distanchttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514880547#514880547oh he wanted to go faster alright,just watch him during the race,jockey had a bit of a fight with him at times.He aint short of speed and he does stay further than 2m,not a bad cocktail for a Churdle.He may not win the race,but it wont be the distancWed, 11 Jan 2012 10:15:25 -0600I disagree 100% CCM and his breeding shows more stamina than speed influence.....but there we go!https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514879427#514879427I disagree 100% CCM and his breeding shows more stamina than speed influence.....but there we go!Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:47:10 -0600I dont either. I think the reason he has been beaten is that he hasnt been right. If he gets to the race 100% he'll run a big race. But that is obvioualy a big if.I was also going to add that he showed more speed than Rock on Ruby in the neptune imo.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514879113#514879113I dont either. I think the reason he has been beaten is that he hasnt been right. If he gets to the race 100% he'll run a big race. But that is obvioualy a big if.I was also going to add that he showed more speed than Rock on Ruby in the neptune imo.Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:37:34 -0600I am not saying he won't like the ground, however I don't believe the slower ground in Ireland he has encountered this season is the reason for his defeats, as he has previously proved he acts on it.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514878801#514878801I am not saying he won't like the ground, however I don't believe the slower ground in Ireland he has encountered this season is the reason for his defeats, as he has previously proved he acts on it.Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:30:07 -0600Shockster. Agree, its clearly not a positive! I just dont think its a negative. The way races are run in Ireland means thaat even some of the 2 1/2 mile races on heavy ground arent as much of a stamina test as a CH.I havent seen anything to suggest hhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514878651#514878651Shockster. Agree, its clearly not a positive! I just dont think its a negative. The way races are run in Ireland means thaat even some of the 2 1/2 mile races on heavy ground arent as much of a stamina test as a CH.I havent seen anything to suggest hWed, 11 Jan 2012 09:26:48 -0600CCM it's hardly a positive that he hasn't yet won over 2m is it? When he won over 2m2f it was heavy yet we are lead to believe he wants good, bit hard to swallow if you ask me. More chance taking on Big Bucks if you ask me.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/28817725/toms-champion-hurdle-pick?post_id=514878473#514878473CCM it's hardly a positive that he hasn't yet won over 2m is it? When he won over 2m2f it was heavy yet we are lead to believe he wants good, bit hard to swallow if you ask me. More chance taking on Big Bucks if you ask me.Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:22:52 -0600