New Posts For Thread: Which was best, Denman or Kauto Star?https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-starAt distances above 3 miles in staying chases there is no doubt it is Denman with a 3-1 record over Kauto Star in Gold Cup's.At distances up to and including 3 miles it is more difficult to say however we can assume Kauto Star having more speed than DThe title clearly posed the usual badly thought out question ... the first post clarified it has to be broken down to trips to answer the question ... unless you are Arkle (however Flyingbolt will dispute that if you drop to 2 miles).https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492326825#492326825The title clearly posed the usual badly thought out question ... the first post clarified it has to be broken down to trips to answer the question ... unless you are Arkle (however Flyingbolt will dispute that if you drop to 2 miles).Tue, 12 Apr 2011 15:02:36 -0500The point of the thread is to highlight that horses are only the best over given trips ... unless you are Arkle.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492326529#492326529The point of the thread is to highlight that horses are only the best over given trips ... unless you are Arkle.Tue, 12 Apr 2011 14:59:41 -0500AS,We are debating how good horses are,so their record in races is important.Strontium's last post sums it up,the question was which one was best,and looking at their respective race records its quiet clear,well to me it is.If the question had been whttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492275917#492275917AS,We are debating how good horses are,so their record in races is important.Strontium's last post sums it up,the question was which one was best,and looking at their respective race records its quiet clear,well to me it is.If the question had been wTue, 12 Apr 2011 06:20:55 -0500A long debate for a question with a clear cut answer. Passes the time I guess.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492233385#492233385A long debate for a question with a clear cut answer. Passes the time I guess.Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:45:54 -0500I know we're not going to agree about this Eric and there is no right answer. You've made your opinion very clear on this thread and others. I entirely agree with you that Denman's Hennessey wins off top weight were awfully impressive and his Gold Chttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492223729#492223729I know we're not going to agree about this Eric and there is no right answer. You've made your opinion very clear on this thread and others. I entirely agree with you that Denman's Hennessey wins off top weight were awfully impressive and his Gold CMon, 11 Apr 2011 15:58:08 -0500You cant compare Master Minded with Denman as they are totally different trips. Similarly you need to break trips down with these 2 as it is obvious to anyone other than the most biased fan that Denman 3-1 was a better chaser at trips above 3 miles,https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492219713#492219713You cant compare Master Minded with Denman as they are totally different trips. Similarly you need to break trips down with these 2 as it is obvious to anyone other than the most biased fan that Denman 3-1 was a better chaser at trips above 3 miles,Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:17:06 -0500It is ALL about the trip.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492219161#492219161It is ALL about the trip.Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:12:11 -0500How can you say the number of Grade 1s won makes that much difference. Kauto has run in 20 so far, Denman in 8, so the comparison isn't a fair one. Kauto is however a far more consistent and versatile horse in my opinion.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492218401#492218401How can you say the number of Grade 1s won makes that much difference. Kauto has run in 20 so far, Denman in 8, so the comparison isn't a fair one. Kauto is however a far more consistent and versatile horse in my opinion.Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:04:54 -0500The number of grade 1's is relevant when judging how good horses are,although not the be all and end all.Agre with Strontium also,sums it up well.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492216917#492216917The number of grade 1's is relevant when judging how good horses are,although not the be all and end all.Agre with Strontium also,sums it up well.Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:50:58 -0500The number of Grade 1s either horse won is irrelevant. Denman could never have hoped to match Kauto's tally as he started later in life at the top level and has had fewer races over his racing career. Think strontiums comment sums it up best.https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/27282829/which-was-best-denman-or-kauto-star?post_id=492214593#492214593The number of Grade 1s either horse won is irrelevant. Denman could never have hoped to match Kauto's tally as he started later in life at the top level and has had fewer races over his racing career. Think strontiums comment sums it up best.Mon, 11 Apr 2011 14:31:20 -0500