New Posts For Thread: What a difference a length and a quarter makeshttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makesImperial Commander beats Tidal Bay a length and a quarter. IC now 5/1 for the Gold Cup, TB 50/1.Peddler's Cross beats Starluck a length and a quarter. PC now 6/1 for the Champion Hurdle, Starluck 55/1.I'm not making a case for either TB or Starluck,I was a big supporter of Tidal Bay in the World Hurdle last year having backed him at around 300. I do think he suits hurdles much better than fences. His jumping of fences is too sticky, and his attitude in the majority of races these days is a majohttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=477353453#477353453I was a big supporter of Tidal Bay in the World Hurdle last year having backed him at around 300. I do think he suits hurdles much better than fences. His jumping of fences is too sticky, and his attitude in the majority of races these days is a majoThu, 09 Dec 2010 07:32:52 -0600Cyclops, on the face of it, a fair point about price differentials. Digging deeper, we see that TB has not won over fences for more than two years (8 outings) I doubt that in the history of the Gold Cup a horse with such a record has won it.On Starluhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=477181401#477181401Cyclops, on the face of it, a fair point about price differentials. Digging deeper, we see that TB has not won over fences for more than two years (8 outings) I doubt that in the history of the Gold Cup a horse with such a record has won it.On StarluTue, 07 Dec 2010 18:08:35 -0600Point taken, but I think your reference to last season enhances the point I started out with. You can follow the received wisdom, or you can think independently and assess what you see and, if the latter, then some strange discrepancies emerge. Of chttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=477178153#477178153Point taken, but I think your reference to last season enhances the point I started out with. You can follow the received wisdom, or you can think independently and assess what you see and, if the latter, then some strange discrepancies emerge. Of cTue, 07 Dec 2010 17:41:27 -0600IC was a clear case in last years GC, not many people mentioned him although he clearly had KS almost cooked in the betfair when half fit.It was a disgrace how he was treated last year and i understand what your saying.But TB would not have beaten IChttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=477132449#477132449IC was a clear case in last years GC, not many people mentioned him although he clearly had KS almost cooked in the betfair when half fit.It was a disgrace how he was treated last year and i understand what your saying.But TB would not have beaten ICTue, 07 Dec 2010 11:39:01 -0600You could argue, Commander, that another furlong in the Haydock race would have seen a comfortable victory by Tidal Bay. He was eating up the ground at the line, and I'm not sure IC could have given a lot more. I'm not seriously entertaining TB as ahttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476476821#476476821You could argue, Commander, that another furlong in the Haydock race would have seen a comfortable victory by Tidal Bay. He was eating up the ground at the line, and I'm not sure IC could have given a lot more. I'm not seriously entertaining TB as aThu, 02 Dec 2010 10:44:12 -0600i'd agree the price differences are too big Cyclops. More so in the case of Starluck as he does do it on the racetrack more often than TB. And by ''do it'' , I just mean runs his race.1.5 lengths is nothing but you can find reasons as to why the disthttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476474661#476474661i'd agree the price differences are too big Cyclops. More so in the case of Starluck as he does do it on the racetrack more often than TB. And by ''do it'' , I just mean runs his race.1.5 lengths is nothing but you can find reasons as to why the distThu, 02 Dec 2010 10:27:49 -0600IC is a 'hard horse to get right' due to physical issues not attitude issues, making him alot more reliable than TB. Every bad run has had a reason whether it be physical or due to an illness in the yard. It is unfair to presume that IC only works athttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476472021#476472021IC is a 'hard horse to get right' due to physical issues not attitude issues, making him alot more reliable than TB. Every bad run has had a reason whether it be physical or due to an illness in the yard. It is unfair to presume that IC only works atThu, 02 Dec 2010 10:08:27 -0600Even NT-D admits Imperial is a hard horse to get right. So far, he's managed to do so at cheltenham but his runs in the King George, at Aintree and at Punchestown the season before were diabolical.As for the Champion (not "world") hurdle, don't you thttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476458049#476458049Even NT-D admits Imperial is a hard horse to get right. So far, he's managed to do so at cheltenham but his runs in the King George, at Aintree and at Punchestown the season before were diabolical.As for the Champion (not "world") hurdle, don't you tThu, 02 Dec 2010 08:16:07 -0600Right... 2 things!Firstly, IC won the GC last year and was pushed out virtually hands and heels in the betfair chase! So why would anyone presume that a horse with huge problems with his attitude towards racing would go to Cheltenham where both the nhttps://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476448937#476448937Right... 2 things!Firstly, IC won the GC last year and was pushed out virtually hands and heels in the betfair chase! So why would anyone presume that a horse with huge problems with his attitude towards racing would go to Cheltenham where both the nThu, 02 Dec 2010 06:27:53 -0600Imperial Commander beats Tidal Bay a length and a quarter. IC now 5/1 for the Gold Cup, TB 50/1.Peddler's Cross beats Starluck a length and a quarter. PC now 6/1 for the Champion Hurdle, Starluck 55/1.I'm not making a case for either TB or Starluck,https://community.betfair.com/cheltenham2011/go/thread/view/113609/26373089/what-a-difference-a-length-and-a-quarter-makes?post_id=476395141#476395141Imperial Commander beats Tidal Bay a length and a quarter. IC now 5/1 for the Gold Cup, TB 50/1.Peddler's Cross beats Starluck a length and a quarter. PC now 6/1 for the Champion Hurdle, Starluck 55/1.I'm not making a case for either TB or Starluck,Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:29:11 -0600