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bardo
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This is simple enough for me ..

Dubois is 23 ... Joyce is 35

I reckon Dubois will win coz he he can fight at a speed and an intensity that Joyce won't be able to match

Joyce is tough and a very decent fighter in his own right but he gets hit far too often ..

for that reason I just cant see this going to the cards .. Dubois by KO within 6 rounds
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Report tobermory November 28, 2020 10:51 PM GMT
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 10:52 PM GMT
The Tyson fight doesn't even have judges or points does it ?
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 10:55 PM GMT
1-0 Juggernaut
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 10:59 PM GMT
Dubois going to punch himself out soon
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:00 PM GMT
Both like sloths
Report GoBallistic November 28, 2020 11:03 PM GMT
Joyce can't miss with that jab
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:03 PM GMT
Take him to deep waters Joe and push his head under
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:04 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 10:52PM, tobermory wrote:


The Tyson fight doesn't even have judges or points does it ?


It has points and judges apparently now but even betfair dont know as they had a market up a week ago but now have removed it

Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:05 PM GMT
Nice jabs by the juggernaut,
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:05 PM GMT
Juggernaut getting up into third gear now
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:07 PM GMT
Dubois looks toast to moi. 2 or 3 more rounds and he will gas
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:11 PM GMT
getting interesting now
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:15 PM GMT
hell of a fight so far, thoroughly enjoying this
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:16 PM GMT
Dubois eye has shut up shop
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:16 PM GMT
It will come down to the stamina of Dubois who wins
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:19 PM GMT
Juggernaut is solid
Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:20 PM GMT
Joyce ain't got no glass jaw..absorbed some good shots but won't stop DD but likely to win on pts if it goes the distance
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:24 PM GMT
Dubois at least a couple of rounds ahead and still looks fairly fresh
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:27 PM GMT
i would have Jouce fav here. market wrong imo
Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:27 PM GMT
could get one of these contrived draws..whoever 'they' want to win will get the verdict
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:28 PM GMT
That said, I wouldnt want to be on Dubois at pre fight odds of 1-3 on - Dubois winning his rounds bigger than Joyce wins his but they all count 10-9
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:28 PM GMT
Oh dear
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:28 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:27PM, bobweenit wrote:


i would have Jouce fav here. market wrong imo


Booom big Wonga babehhhh

Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:29 PM GMT
whoa!tame finish really
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:29 PM GMT
haha oh dear
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:29 PM GMT
market was on crack and i took it apart
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:29 PM GMT
Quit
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:30 PM GMT
PLEASE DO UR CARTWHEEL JUGGERNAUT!!!!!!Excited
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:30 PM GMT
I know danny boy had his eye closed but to quit like that isnt the stuff of warriors - fair play to Joyce
Report GoBallistic November 28, 2020 11:30 PM GMT
Joyce well on top in the end.  Never looked in hurt and stuck to the plan
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:30 PM GMT
He's no Vitali
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:31 PM GMT
Classic Warren to put his fighter in with 20 tomato cans and not prepare them for levelling up in opponent.
Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:31 PM GMT
he basically didn't want any more..no mas job..Joyce is a big dude..very deceptive
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:31 PM GMT
Danny looked like a little boy quaking in the corner even early- he has the physical tools but not the mental strength
Report Desatron November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
Such a muggy biased market, Dubious still as low as 1.5 when he was clearly out of steam. Easy money
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 10:45PM, bobweenit wrote:


going against all reason and backing the big JUGGERNAUT by ko 7.6 . why?

Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
Also worryingly going forward that fight hardly screamed great heart from Dubois.
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
> fair play bob, that was a very good prediction. I thought Dubois on points myself
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
how the hell did the market have Dubois heavy fav at that point. crazy market
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT
Well done Bob
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:32 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 10:25PM, paul1965 wrote:


Had a 3k bet on Dubois @1-3.Good luck


You should send the bill to Dubois for his cowardice

Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:33 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:32PM, n88uk wrote:


Also worryingly going forward that fight hardly screamed great heart from Dubois.


need to switch trainer. he's a one trick pony

Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:33 PM GMT
His eye really was fecked tbf
Report ahosang November 28, 2020 11:34 PM GMT
When Dubois' corner had to tell him that 'this is the fight game', you had to suspect that he was not liking it.
Not so easy when your opponent does fall over straight away
Report Lee Ho Fooks November 28, 2020 11:34 PM GMT
Needs to switch sport, go for something that suits a chicken
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:34 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:32PM, tobermory wrote:


Well done Bob


Cheers Tobes hard lines Paul1965 tought bt that.

Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:35 PM GMT
Joe Joyce also beat Filip hrgovic he's been around the block, good to see him up there with the big boys now
Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:35 PM GMT
shame really..comes across very well..like many of these bigged up heavies..go up in class,get found out..never the same

Joyce's age isn't in his favour..good boxer but not a concussive puncher
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:36 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:32PM, bobweenit wrote:


how the hell did the market have Dubois heavy fav at that point. crazy market


because Frank had the decision for him, pretty sure. I had Dubois on points, that's how I thought it would play out

Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:36 PM GMT
Even before the final quit though he seemed to have a poor mentality after about 3 rounds, like he hadn't blown the guy away and seemed frazzled by that.

Warren is to blame here though. It's classic Warren matchmaking not preparing his fighter for anything. Big them up beating 20 tomato cans, then move them up too quickly and they become unstuck.
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:36 PM GMT
It looked like all the power shots came from Dubois yet Joyce has barely a mark on his face and a lazy jab from joyce which looked like a feather duster has ended up with Dubois looking like the elephant man- clearly deceptive power or maybe Dubois just busts up easily haven never fought anyone of note
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:36 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:34PM, ahosang wrote:


When Dubois' corner had to tell him that 'this is the fight game', you had to suspect that he was not liking it.Not so easy when your opponent does fall over straight away


Exactly, perhaps he was already telling them he wanted out.

Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:36 PM GMT
Frampton not sparing his feelings, calling him a quitter.
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:37 PM GMT
Bowers was definitely panicking. I understand why now. Daniel not the fearless warrior that Frank has made him out to be. only 23 years old
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:37 PM GMT
I'm also in the camp that if it went cards it likely would have been very bent towards Dubois, guess we will see cards, but I'd be surprised if the judges didn't have Dubois up. Warren/BT will have wanted Dubois to win.
Report GoBallistic November 28, 2020 11:37 PM GMT
Punch stats would be interesting.  I would guess Dubois ahead on power punches and Joyce miles ahead on total punches
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:38 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:36PM, wolf3011 wrote:


It looked like all the power shots came from Dubois yet Joyce has barely a mark on his face and a lazy jab from joyce which looked like a feather duster has ended up with Dubois looking like the elephant man- clearly deceptive power or maybe Dubois just busts up easily haven never fought anyone of note


Juggernauts jabs were precise an constant, didn't look like much that the slow mo dubois was getting beat up

Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:38 PM GMT
Dubois needs/ed fights with more guys who will go rounds and actually throw punches.
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:38 PM GMT
Frampton really destroying Dubois lol.
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:38 PM GMT
Emmanuel Steward said he hated training big heavyweights, because they were mostly bullies who had won all their school fights/street fights just threw size, and had no heart at all when they were getting hurt themselves
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:39 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:37PM, n88uk wrote:


I'm also in the camp that if it went cards it likely would have been very bent towards Dubois, guess we will see cards, but I'd be surprised if the judges didn't have Dubois up. Warren/BT will have wanted Dubois to win.


Yup. Thought I'd worked it out perfectly but didn't know Dubois was a bit of a quitter

Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:40 PM GMT
all this..he's young can come again is total b0llocks..u've either got it or u haven't
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:41 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:36PM, wisewords wrote:


Nov 29, 2020 -- 12:32AM, bobweenit wrote:how the hell did the market have Dubois heavy fav at that point. crazy marketbecause Frank had the decision for him, pretty sure. I had Dubois on points, that's how I thought it would play out


yeah was my thinking too wise. Had to be a bit as well the comms ramping that Dubois was up. He was getting his head jabbed off from round 1 tho.

Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:42 PM GMT
Can't see him coming back from this.
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:42 PM GMT
He's been given too many crap opponents. Who has he actually fought who even throws punches? They've just given him showcases, not actual fights.
Report johnnythebull November 28, 2020 11:42 PM GMT
not the result Warren wants that's for sure..lot's of potential future big geldt down the drain
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:43 PM GMT
but you predicted Joyce by stoppage bob! I was thinking about the fight earlier in the week, looking at the rounds bettting etc, but came the conclusion nobody was going to be stopped. the rounds prices for Joyce were enormous. odds 100 or more for Joyce round 10 I think
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:43 PM GMT
But yer Dubois has some big problems going forward. Questionable stamina/heart are not great attributes.
Report tobermory November 28, 2020 11:46 PM GMT
Warren trying to sell a rematch
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:47 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:43PM, wisewords wrote:


but you predicted Joyce by stoppage bob! I was thinking about the fight earlier in the week, looking at the rounds bettting etc, but came the conclusion nobody was going to be stopped. the rounds prices for Joyce were enormous. odds 100 or more for Joyce round 10 I think


my thinking at the time why the market was so wrong i mean wise. only a fww rounds left and like u say people maybe knew he would get the nod.

Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:48 PM GMT
He maybe selling it but there's no way he'd put Dubois straight back in with Joyce, he'd be finished if he lost.
Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:50 PM GMT
He will probs give him a few tomato cans before targeting some name who is past it and thinks he can beat. Chisora type.
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:50 PM GMT
I dont see him as a quitter. Haye with his sore toe and gimpy leg needs to be quite. Had his head jabbed off for 10 rounds and his nose looked badly broke. Take the knee and fight another day.
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:52 PM GMT
A lot of fighters to brave 4 their own good even though thats a fighters mentality.
Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:53 PM GMT
Think he was gassed too and had nothing left to give.
Report wolf3011 November 28, 2020 11:54 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:50PM, bobweenit wrote:


I dont see him as a quitter. Haye with his sore toe and gimpy leg needs to be quite. Had his head jabbed off for 10 rounds and his nose looked badly broke. Take the knee and fight another day.


Haye didnt take the knee or quit did he

Report bobweenit November 28, 2020 11:55 PM GMT
wasnt beat up that bad or he would of ran out of the arena mid round.
Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:55 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 2:03PM, mega88 wrote:


Joe "the juggernaut Joyce" to mash up triple d in the later rounds, experience to be prevail over power, dubois only been hitting tomato cans and his engine hasn't been tested, Joyce an olympian who's mixed with the likes of usyk.


good call mega. you nailed it too!

Report wisewords November 28, 2020 11:56 PM GMT

Nov 28, 2020 -- 11:03PM, bobweenit wrote:


Take him to deep waters Joe and push his head under


turns out all you needed to do was punch him in the eye a few times LaughCrazy

Report n88uk November 28, 2020 11:56 PM GMT
The thing that makes it look more of a quit is it wasn't like he was down 9-0 on the cards. He had to have an idea he was in the fight, and probably thought he was winning, and probably was up on the cards. That makes it look like a quit when there was a good chance of if he went 3 more rounds he'd win.
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:56 PM GMT
Didn't get on it though wise Cry
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:57 PM GMT
Bet^
Report mega88 November 28, 2020 11:59 PM GMT
Dubois was hurt bad, he had some kind of nerve damage in that eye, Joyce last jab absolutely was a stinger, like when ur mate whips you with a rolled up towel
Report wisewords November 29, 2020 12:03 AM GMT
I much prefer Joyce to Dubois, and have done for ages. But I just thought this fight would end up going the distance and Frank would have the judges in his pocket as usual and give Dubois the decision. I think all Dubois needed to do was finish the fight boxing as he'd done in round 7, 8, 9 and he'd have got the decision
Report Number9 November 29, 2020 12:05 AM GMT
Man v boy
Report Number9 November 29, 2020 12:08 AM GMT
................and the boy quit
Report mega88 November 29, 2020 12:11 AM GMT
I'm just happy we got the cartwheel
Report Number9 November 29, 2020 12:13 AM GMT
We also got a good fight.
Report Number9 November 29, 2020 12:14 AM GMT
.........although there was only one boxer in the ring.
Report wolf3011 November 29, 2020 12:44 AM GMT
Anyone staying up for the jones/tyson fight?
Report n88uk November 29, 2020 1:02 AM GMT
David Anderson
@MirrorAnderson
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Dubois was ahead on two scorecards, one by eight rounds and the other by two. He was behind by two rounds on the third when he quit in the 10th. He’s now gone to hospital for a scan on his eye. #DuboisJoyce


So Dubois basically just had to last 12 to win.
Report wolf3011 November 29, 2020 1:24 AM GMT
Shows how ridiculous decisions are when so called professional judges have one boxer ahead by 8 rounds and behind by 2 rounds in the same fight. It's why boxers with higher knockout records will always be regarded as better fighters than those dancing to victory on dubious points decisions like many of Alis fights for eg
Report sofaking November 29, 2020 2:39 AM GMT

Nov 29, 2020 -- 12:44AM, wolf3011 wrote:


Anyone staying up for the jones/tyson fight?


Yes wolfster, anyone have a stream?

Report Dave23 November 29, 2020 12:30 PM GMT
It appears that David Anderson got it wrong with regards the judges scorecards. Based on the reporting and photos of the scorecards elsewhere - 'scorecards had totals of 87-84 Joyce, 86-85 Dubois and 88-83 Dubois when the referee officially waved off the fight'.

Therefore, it appears that it may well have been heading for a somewhat dubious draw if it had gone the distance.
Report wolf3011 November 29, 2020 1:02 PM GMT
Sorry Sofa, missed your post given the length of time anyone bothered to reply and the hour. I ended up buying the fight on BT box office having it screened online as I dont have a BT sports subscription package - apparently you can get it via sky if you type in your viewing card number but no one at BT could give me a direct answer to whether I needed the sky box linked to the BT router and given where the tv is in relation to router went for the online option. The result was a stream that went down on their BT platform and a complete waste of time and money. Tyson did ok for his age with Jones holding him in clinches for most of it gasping for air after the first round and the end result being a "draw".

If those scorecards were accurate Dave, it is still an 8 point swing between the first judge and the last one illustrating that these apparent experts disagreed with each other on nearly every round. It's one the reasons why the knockout artists always rank higher than the dancers in boxing due to many results of pugilists adopting the former strategy being down to what the judge had for his dinner instead of actually winning the fight
Report wolf3011 November 29, 2020 1:04 PM GMT
or adopting the second strategy should I say *
Report wolf3011 November 29, 2020 1:32 PM GMT
Incidentally for those BLM /woke supporters watching the event, maybe they should start with the lyrics of "snoop dogg" continually referring to women as b*tches/"ho"s, black people as n*****s with line after line of profanity glamorising violence etc. Imagine the outrage if the braindead dog was white but no one seems to care when it's part of the rap community and it's some t1t in sunglasses saying it. This moron is the official voice/face of justeat on uk tv screens yet the BBC have suspended someone for saying the word handbags incase it's offensive to women lol
Report Dave23 November 29, 2020 1:50 PM GMT
Wolf, The scorecards are widely reported, including on The Sun, Star and Talksport websites. The Sun has a photo of the scorecards (https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13328042/daniel-dubois-scorecard-joe-joyce/).

I agree that there was a wide discrepancy in the scoring amongst the judges. It appears that all 3 judges only concurred on rounds 2,5,7 and 9.
Report Senyatta November 29, 2020 2:30 PM GMT
two losing bets for me - dubois match odds and dubois on pts. i would have been embarrassed collecting had it gone the distance and they'd given it to dubois. think dubois was still about 1.5 or so at the time of the stoppage? i had joyce at least3 up and dubois would have likely lost all the remaining rounds
Report sofaking November 30, 2020 12:18 AM GMT

Nov 29, 2020 -- 1:02PM, wolf3011 wrote:


Sorry Sofa, missed your post given the length of time anyone bothered to reply and the hour. I ended up buying the fight on BT box office having it screened online as I dont have a BT sports subscription package - apparently you can get it via sky if you type in your viewing card number but no one at BT could give me a direct answer to whether I needed the sky box linked to the BT router and given where the tv is in relation to router went for the online option. The result was a stream that went down on their BT platform and a complete waste of time and money. Tyson did ok for his age with Jones holding him in clinches for most of it gasping for air after the first round and the end result being a "draw".If those scorecards were accurate Dave, it is still an 8 point swing between the first judge and the last one illustrating that these apparent experts disagreed with each other on nearly every round. It's one the reasons why the knockout artists always rank higher than the dancers in boxing due to many results of pugilists adopting the former strategy being down to what the judge had for his dinner instead of actually winning the fight


Ok cheers.  Glad I didn't pay to watch it.  And yeah, Snoop is as dumb as a bag of rocks.

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