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But he looked absolutely shocked in that ring last night, and it was Andy Ruiz not Muhammad Ali
, Ruiz beat him to the punch every time, the bloke is like much smaller than AJ, and yet looked like he was finding it easy in there, once he got AJ into round 4 then 5 it looked like one winner "we shouldn't have chose someone with fast hands" - Barry Hearn
Good god, so they have been hand picking his opponents then?, and are now regretting putting him in there with someone with fast hands
Better not stick him in with Wilder then eh, fury will have an easy night of it as well judging that fight, Ruiz and Parker both had to much in ring speed so I can only imagine what Fury will do to him when fully fit and 100%
The man is a very limited boxer way over-hyped.
A modern day Frank Bruno.
Are u serious Darren?? No one fancied Ruiz including myself as he looked like ur typical bloke from ur local boozer. The point of the thread since the result is to show how average Joshua must be to get beat by this lad.
it's just that so many comments after the match are talking about how average Joshua is and how is overhyped and overrated, yet nobody seems to have actually layed him, with the way they're talking you'd think they had of done!
I think Joshua wasn't motivated enough for this, hard to get up for someone he probably didn't know about 1 month ago, when really all he can think about is Wilder.
I think in the rematch you'll see the real levels between them both, though if everyone on this thread post match is right, then I'm wrong lol.
exactly correct!
1.02 £12,376
1.03 £33,338
1.04 £501,806
1.05 £236,976
1.06 £478,751
1.07 £418,581
1.08 £313,239
Well 7 quid
Ruiz may have traded bigger for Pennies
Jun 2, 2019 -- 9:15AM, mega88 wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 4:20AM, wisewords wrote:I'm absolutely stunned. Joshua got schooled at boxing by Andy RuizIt's good to watch the fight back in slow mo, you can see Josh wansnt prepared for Ruiz speed, counter attack and power. I blame the trainer, Josh game was not set up for this fight. They should have realised Ruiz was special and hungry. His speed is phenomenal and it only takes a sweet punch to ruin Josh.
Indeed meg. was a replacement for Big Baby after he was exposed as a doper. I agree that they took Ruiz too lightly in the rush to get a replacement for June 1st
Jun 2, 2019 -- 9:46AM, johnnythebull wrote:
beautiful sunny,warm morning made all the better by the news that THE most overhyped media product has been humblednever rated the guy,Klitshko should've KOd him,always been chinny,very little natural ability,wooden,ponderousjust a shame his even more obnoxious promoter didn't get sparked out as wellvery average heavyweight era but it's the era of 'bigging' up the mediocre to the skies and an untermensch public being taken in by it allunfortunately,don't see any way Ruiz could 'win' a rematch if AJ is still standing after 12would love to be proven wrong..great for Ruiz to now be getting money that can set himself and his family up for lifealways knew it was AJ avoiding Wilder not the BS we kept been fed
Ruiz was getting paid $7,000,000 last night regardless of the result. but now, he's going to get PAID!
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:55AM, GRANTCKING wrote:
never saw this coming at all but some of the aftertiming ive read on here and the bbc website is hilarious "I knew he wasnt that great etc"
Cooper's snapped! his hero has broken his heart 
Jun 2, 2019 -- 2:49PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:
kriskinAre u serious Darren?? No one fancied Ruiz including myself as he looked like ur typical bloke from ur local boozer. The point of the thread since the result is to show how average Joshua must be to get beat by this lad.it's just that so many comments after the match are talking about how average Joshua is and how is overhyped and overrated, yet nobody seems to have actually layed him, with the way they're talking you'd think they had of done!I think Joshua wasn't motivated enough for this, hard to get up for someone he probably didn't know about 1 month ago, when really all he can think about is Wilder.I think in the rematch you'll see the real levels between them both, though if everyone on this thread post match is right, then I'm wrong lol.
Because there's a difference between thinking someone is average than expecting them to lose to a "nobody".
It's like saying everyone thinks Man Utd are average, but not many here would be laying them at home to Mansfield.
Jun 2, 2019 -- 3:39PM, wisewords wrote:
I'm still absolutely stunned!
Grant said you'd done your bollocks on AJ, how much did you have on
Jun 2, 2019 -- 3:45PM, n88uk wrote:
Hearn's will use this to sell a load of rubbish in the future. AJ will win the rematch (just look at the cards last night, so Ruiz has to KO him to win) and then Hearn's will put AJ in vs a load of mandatory rubbish using this fight as an example to justify it "you never know what will happen in heavyweight boxing" cliches to duck Fury.
Yeap
He's already selling it as the biggest shock in world sporting history
so he can now probably make more money from Joshuas next couple of fights anyway 
I really wouldn't be surprised if they put him back in with Parker next and sell it as some sort of blockbuster fight ffs, "anything can happen" will be trotted out as you said.
Jun 2, 2019 -- 4:50PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
u were on AJ?
he was 1.03. I had a bet on him by stoppage round 1-3 which lost yes
Jun 2, 2019 -- 11:47AM, GRANTCKING wrote:
wilder signed a 3 fight deal then is fighting fury after then who knows whats gonna happen with his mandatory, so if he wasnt dodging AJ why did he commit to that 3 fight deal against 3 no hopers?
Wilder must feel like such a fool now. If he'd taken the AJ fight, he'd most likely be undisputed now
Jun 2, 2019 -- 11:48AM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
Its not a fact because no one knows for sure but Wilder I cannot believe for a second Wilder was dodging that from this morning Wilder must have known Fury had the better skills? and he took that fight, yes he probably thought he could take him when he was getting back in to shape
Wilder couldn't see into the future. He didn't realise AJ was so vulnerable. Wilder took the Fury fight because he thought he was shot after his long lay off partying and doing cocaine
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:09PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Grant why do yo keep going on about a rematch at Wembley - Joshua is a no one now and Ruiz is world champion, why would he go to Wembley with a load of brain dead pisspots screaming sweet caroline to an overrated stiff robotic coward that has only had 22 wins against patsys? I presume there is a rematch clause but I will be amazed if its at Wembley
AJ will control the terms of the rematch. It will most likely be in Cardiff in Nov/Dec, because Wembley doesn't have a roof
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:23PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
Joshua will fight him in a rematch but it should be at the copper box arena not Wembley who's going to fork out £200 to watch a "fat mexican" and R2D2 ?
"but it should be at the copper box arena" wtf 
Jun 2, 2019 -- 3:49PM, n88uk wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 2:49PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:kriskinAre u serious Darren?? No one fancied Ruiz including myself as he looked like ur typical bloke from ur local boozer. The point of the thread since the result is to show how average Joshua must be to get beat by this lad.it's just that so many comments after the match are talking about how average Joshua is and how is overhyped and overrated, yet nobody seems to have actually layed him, with the way they're talking you'd think they had of done!I think Joshua wasn't motivated enough for this, hard to get up for someone he probably didn't know about 1 month ago, when really all he can think about is Wilder.I think in the rematch you'll see the real levels between them both, though if everyone on this thread post match is right, then I'm wrong lol.Because there's a difference between thinking someone is average than expecting them to lose to a "nobody".It's like saying everyone thinks Man Utd are average, but not many here would be laying them at home to Mansfield.
Spot on 88. That's exactly what we are saying.
They wouldn't allow Wilder to get in the ring if he went to the Parker fight in Cardiff. Everyone else is allowed in the ring (except Fury too probably lol).
And Eddie + the Sky commentators (basically part of AJ's team) constantly talking up the Dilian rematch as if it is the one we are all waiting for, when I have never seen a single person say they wanted to see that fight again.
Eddie's plan was clearly to keep matching AJ with people on the level of those he has already beaten, even the actual ones he had already beaten, every 6 months for a couple of years, all the while hoping someone else would beat Wilder.
Jun 2, 2019 -- 1:22PM, SontaranStratagem wrote:
"The biggest shock in boxing history" < Eddie HearnNah its really not Eddie, anyone who watches boxing knows Joshua is a hype job, they fooled everyone with him a few years ago but recently he's looked what he is and that's a very limited fighter I do love how they are already getting to work on the selling of the rematch though, Joshua might not take it but they've already sold this as something it really isn't The public need to boycott the rematch as well
Joshua is going to spark Ruiz in the rematch. It's inevitable. It nearly happened last night, and it will happen in late 2019
Jun 2, 2019 -- 2:49PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:
kriskinAre u serious Darren?? No one fancied Ruiz including myself as he looked like ur typical bloke from ur local boozer. The point of the thread since the result is to show how average Joshua must be to get beat by this lad.it's just that so many comments after the match are talking about how average Joshua is and how is overhyped and overrated, yet nobody seems to have actually layed him, with the way they're talking you'd think they had of done!I think Joshua wasn't motivated enough for this, hard to get up for someone he probably didn't know about 1 month ago, when really all he can think about is Wilder.I think in the rematch you'll see the real levels between them both, though if everyone on this thread post match is right, then I'm wrong lol.
don't mind them darren, they've all done money backing Joshua so trying to sound wise after the event
Jun 2, 2019 -- 6:52PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Why will AJ control the terms of the rematch? A rematch is in the contract but he isnt the champion anymore- he's the challenger. He should go to Mexico and fight on Ruiz home turf , lets face it Joshua has been hiding in London fighting all his career
yeah Joshua is a Brit from London. where do you expect him to fight? he could have all his fights for the rest of his career in the UK for all I care. **** US boxing
Jun 2, 2019 -- 7:09PM, darren_discombobulates_sports wrote:
Ruiz wasn't a nobody, he had 1 loss and that was very narrowly to Parker, Parker who took Joshua the distance, what I'm saying is that after the fight everyone seems to be saying they knew he wasn't all that anyway but I don't remember many people saying so beforehand, he was the undefeated Goldenboy
spot on darren.
Jun 2, 2019 -- 7:49PM, tobermory wrote:
Why do you guys still say Wilder ducked Joshua ?They wouldn't allow Wilder to get in the ring if he went to the Parker fight in Cardiff. Everyone else is allowed in the ring (except Fury too probably lol).And Eddie + the Sky commentators (basically part of AJ's team) constantly talking up the Dilian rematch as if it is the one we are all waiting for, when I have never seen a single person say they wanted to see that fight again. Eddie's plan was clearly to keep matching AJ with people on the level of those he has already beaten, even the actual ones he had already beaten, every 6 months for a couple of years, all the while hoping someone else would beat Wilder.
I disagree tobes. Wilder wouldn't fight unless it was on Showtime, in the US etc. He wanted all the terms in his favour. Doesn't matter now, Wilder's missed his chance
Jun 2, 2019 -- 9:55PM, wisewords wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 6:52PM, wolf3011 wrote:Why will AJ control the terms of the rematch? A rematch is in the contract but he isnt the champion anymore- he's the challenger. He should go to Mexico and fight on Ruiz home turf , lets face it Joshua has been hiding in London fighting all his careeryeah Joshua is a Brit from London. where do you expect him to fight? he could have all his fights for the rest of his career in the UK for all I care. **** US boxing
Where do I expect him to fight? I expect him to do what other world champions do and fight in other countries. Lennox Lewis regularly fought and won in the states, why is Joshua so different?
The reality is Joshua has one of the weakest chins any heavyweight champion in history has ever had- my grandmother could jab Joshua and it would wobble him despite her being dead for 12 years. The reality is also tha Joshua didnt want to be in there with Ruiz, after he was floored for the second time has was asked by the ref to walk towards him and refused... he was lucky not to be stopped in the 3rd. In the 7th when chinny was knocked down for a 4th time he turned his back on the ref clearly not wanting to fight on. We all know about Joshuas chin but we saw cowardice yesterday and regardless of how big his biceps are, its the size of the fight in the dog not the size of the dog in the fight. Ruiz wanted to fight, Joshua wanted a payday and to return to his Instagram page laughing and smiling at people which he did straight after losing his titles. Joshua will never go down as agreat fighter as he doesnt have the chin or from what we saw yesterday the heart fighting like a poor mans fraudley harrison
how many different countries has wilder fought in wolf?
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:21PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
keep telling us about how ruiz wont accept the rematch and it wont be this year, fecking clueless
When the rematch is confirmed for a date later than this year are you going to stop trolling and finally log out of betfair you sad bellend as a grown man looking for rises online from people you dont know?
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:20PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
how many different countries has wilder fought in wolf?
Wilder has fought 3 times in Mexico and once in Puerto Rico unlike Joshua who has never left this tiny island- log out grant as you're utterly clueless and know even less about boxing than you do about football if thats possible
wilder fought in mexico and puerto rico when he was the world champion? I must have missed those ones, which fights were they?
Jun 2, 2019 -- 11:56PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:21PM, GRANTCKING wrote:keep telling us about how ruiz wont accept the rematch and it wont be this year, fecking cluelessWhen the rematch is confirmed for a date later than this year are you going to stop trolling and finally log out of betfair you sad bellend as a grown man looking for rises online from people you dont know?
if we can get betfair to stick a market up will u lay me evens for the rematch happening before 31st december?
u must have missed AJ fighting in Turkey and Azerbaijan, clearly not in the UK imo
The biggest issue was Hearn obviously asking for obsurd amounts of cash. He overvalued Joshua for me. They were talking 70-30 originally in favour of Joshua which the Americans felt was ridiculous & rightly so told them to jog on. Wilder fighting Fury was a masterstroke promotionally I thought as they felt Fury was vunerable also they isolated Hearn/Joshua. Essentially holding up the division until they'd fought. The worst thing that come from that fight was the draw. As if either fighter had won I think Joshua would of fought the winner as it would of made sense. The draw killed them IMO. It gave Wilder all the negotiating leverage as he could call the shots at that point Joshua would of been lucky with a 50/50 split which Hearn was never going to accept. (People forget Wilder wasnt really a big name in the US until the Ortiz fight/Fury. Fury was the fight that blew him up massively)
I like Joshua. I'm not a big fan of Hearn though all these hand picked opponents hasnt done Joshua any favours either. For me the biggest issue with Hearn is just the pure greed. The audacity to charge £20 for some of the bills he puts on is embarrassing & people who know boxing see right through his promotional spew he blurts out each time an event comes around. That for me's the best part of this the fact that Hearns just been completely outmanouvered this part year or so. I'd expect Joshua to win the rematch but that's besides the point now the damage has been done they can no longer dictate the terms the balls now in Wilders court for me.
Jun 3, 2019 -- 12:29AM, GRANTCKING wrote:
wilder fought in mexico and puerto rico when he was the world champion? I must have missed those ones, which fights were they?
whats fighting as world champion to do with anything troll boy? As a fighter he has fought in mexico and Puerto rico - where has Joshua ever fought and likening the states to a tiny island like uk is laughable. Every great heavyweight has fought in the states - you dont have to fight in the UK to gain a legacy unless you think football stadiums equate to iconic venues like Madison sq gardens
Jun 3, 2019 -- 12:32AM, GRANTCKING wrote:
u must have missed AJ fighting in Turkey and Azerbaijan, clearly not in the UK imo
because he hasnt fought there as a professional, have you a carer or just a FT troll?
Jun 3, 2019 -- 12:30AM, GRANTCKING wrote:
Jun 2, 2019 -- 11:56PM, wolf3011 wrote:Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:21PM, GRANTCKING wrote:keep telling us about how ruiz wont accept the rematch and it wont be this year, fecking cluelessWhen the rematch is confirmed for a date later than this year are you going to stop trolling and finally log out of betfair you sad bellend as a grown man looking for rises online from people you dont know?if we can get betfair to stick a market up will u lay me evens for the rematch happening before 31st december?
so betfair are going to " stick a market " up on an event they have never and will never cover because some clueless mug on a boxing forum spamming threads with smiley faces says so? Yeah you email management to put the market up you clown
Jun 2, 2019 -- 10:20PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
how many different countries has wilder fought in wolf?
Ive told you Puerto rico and mexico and after realising what a clueless cretin you are getting it wrong the criteria changes to " as a world champion" in order to save face on a forum you lurk on day and night like a filthy spider hovering above the toilet bowl.
Jun 3, 2019 -- 12:47AM, 04arsenalfc. wrote:
Not a chance Wilder's been ducking AJ not a chance in hell.The biggest issue was Hearn obviously asking for obsurd amounts of cash. He overvalued Joshua for me. They were talking 70-30 originally in favour of Joshua which the Americans felt was ridiculous & rightly so told them to jog on. Wilder fighting Fury was a masterstroke promotionally I thought as they felt Fury was vunerable also they isolated Hearn/Joshua. Essentially holding up the division until they'd fought. The worst thing that come from that fight was the draw. As if either fighter had won I think Joshua would of fought the winner as it would of made sense. The draw killed them IMO. It gave Wilder all the negotiating leverage as he could call the shots at that point Joshua would of been lucky with a 50/50 split which Hearn was never going to accept. (People forget Wilder wasnt really a big name in the US until the Ortiz fight/Fury. Fury was the fight that blew him up massively)I like Joshua. I'm not a big fan of Hearn though all these hand picked opponents hasnt done Joshua any favours either. For me the biggest issue with Hearn is just the pure greed. The audacity to charge £20 for some of the bills he puts on is embarrassing & people who know boxing see right through his promotional spew he blurts out each time an event comes around. That for me's the best part of this the fact that Hearns just been completely outmanouvered this part year or so. I'd expect Joshua to win the rematch but that's besides the point now the damage has been done they can no longer dictate the terms the balls now in Wilders court for me.
Wilder still isn't a big name in the USA. Have you seen his fights? About 50 people turn up and the undercards are woeful, and he gets paid about 1/10 of what Joshua makes per fight.
cant believe the big bad wolf (lol) wouldnt put his money where his mouth is and lay evens, he know this rematch isnt happening this year, ruiz is the champion why would he offer AJ a remaatch afterall!
He's made his money and he can probably make more outside boxing with his modelling and advertisements,
"he's still learning" sorry but that's the biggest load of cr*p I've heard before and after his loss, he's 29 going on 30, his learning days are loooooong gone, you learn head-movement and footwork in your early teens in the amateurs. He ain't learning that now, he doesn't look like he has the motivation to learn it anyway, but even if he did he'd never be able to fully grasp it anyway.
The media will attempt damage limitation, calling him a great of the game, but the fact is before that fight they were mocking Andy Ruiz pysique, mocking him as a kebab guzzler
How can they now attempt damage limitation when he's been beat by a "fat journeyman"? their words not mine
Fury is way overrated..he can box nearly as well as he can clinch and his height makes him awkward
none of these 3 would've been top 10 30 odd years ago
which is an even sadder indictment of those rated below them
Wilder can punch but can’t box. Fury can box but can’t punch.
Ruiz an athlete in a fat blokes body, Joshua a fat bloke in an athletes body.
Joshua now has the physique that belongs on "love island"
not a boxing ring He does seem more interested in sending the girls weak at the knees rather than actually training the right way for a boxing match
He's fell into the trap of thinking bulking up = power, when in fact a leaner frame is the best thing for power, speed and accuracy = power, not bulky muscles that make it hard to move around anyway
Someone is gonna rope-a-dope him big time soon and then it will become really obvious he’s a secret fat bastard.
What we do know already about Joshua which he has shown as an amateur and pro is he is chinny those legs don't lie,he also hasn't improved his other main weakness footwork he's just been fortunate enough not to be caught with anything since he fought that dinosaur Klitschko.
My only worry for AJ is the glass in his chinny chin chin still to prove he aint a chandalier imo but nobody seems worried on here,have paid the PPV in any case so hoping for something decent.
Posted this before the Parker fight as well as a clip from his amateur days getting rattled by a Turkish jobber with a headguard on don't know of any past boxing superstar who had a ropey chin,everyone gets into trouble but not everyone has the jelly leg effect that is something that can't be trained out.
Hearn said the clause had been triggered on Tuesday after talks.
"After meetings with AJ, Rob Mc[Cracken - Joshua's trainer] and the management team in NY, we have today triggered the contracted rematch clause with Andy Ruiz Jr," Hearn said on Twitter.
"The only doubt I would say is that boxing is a strange business and you never know what happens in terms of we have an agreement in place, but sometimes we have to make sure that agreement is honoured.
"Secondly, because it's now a huge fight this rematch - with the upset of the century - you can't rule out that it doesn't take place outside the UK."
We shall see........
Jun 4, 2019 -- 7:24PM, GRANTCKING wrote:
not sure he will make the same mistake again getting into the ring with an 8 day old concussion, cost him his titles
The excuses coming out that camp are embarrassing now
Some even claiming he had an epileptic seizure 5 minutes before the ring walk as well
A truly pitiful set of fans and promotion team ffs
He will be done in the next 5 fight I reckon retired with a fortune amassed with the help of Edy Hearn and the gullible British public.
Imo he is a flat track bully loves fighting at home and with the crowd on his side, take him out of that environment and I always expected him to struggle, that coupled with his first fight stateside it wasn't a great shock like some were saying especially considering Ruiz had never been dropped in 33 fights and had 1 loss on his record on a split decision to Parker in New Zealand.
Jun 7, 2019 -- 7:02PM, bobweenit wrote:
Jog on Denzil, back to Joshuas back room team
Why was Joshua's father so perplexed and having a go at Eddie Hearn?
The rumour and not only do I not have any proof but I have just been listening to people gobbing off.. but it is interesting nonetheless.
The rumour as you all know is that AJ got consussed prior to the fight by a sparing partner. He should not have been allowed to fight. This was covered up by Hearn who allegedly has previous for this and was heavily fined ( again is this true? ). Fighters who have been asked about the knocout / concussion in sparring have said they are not allowed to talk about it.
If this is true there are serious consequences. At the same time if it is a pack of lies it is a dispicable slander, which, should have serious consequences.
Can anybody shed any light on these allegations please?
the sooner he and his vile promoter disappear into obscurity the better
Helpful stuff
Said AJ lost fair and square. Gave the credit to Ruiz. Hasn’t got any excuses but wishes he did have. Doesn’t go to training camps but everyone he spoke to said the sparring knockdown didn’t happen. Although he did say everyone gets hurt in sparring. No chance of injuries or mental issues as they have doctors all over them and he wouldn’t be allowed to fight. Had to swap his gumshield before the fight but took 2 minutes. Said AJs dad was gunning for anyone afterwards and was just emotional. Thinks AJ maybe underestimated the fight. Got sloppy trying to finish Ruiz in the 3rd and then was ‘concussed’ from then on so in his view explains all the nonsense AJ was talking. Was initially worried afterwards that AJ wasn’t overbothered but after a few days was relieved to see he him getting a bit pissed about getting beat.
For those who already don’t like Hearn
Arrogant as fk about the rematch, seems to think they hold all the cards and that AJ is champion until Ruiz beats him twice. Doesn’t acknowledge anything about his own role in the hype machine or potential overconfidence, as it is after all his job.
He makes some good points whether you believe him or not though. As a promoter he’d love to say he had a mental issue or he was carrying an injury or the referee or the venue. But he’s said none of those excuses wash and he just lost because he was sh1t.
I don’t doubt Hearn can lie especially to cover himself but as a promoter he could have said ‘something was wrong/ he wasn’t feeling himself/ were going to see a therapist / I can’t talk about it / you’ll see the real AJ next time’. He didn’t. He said everything was 100% on and he lost because he was crap.
Something is wrong about all this and truth is the second casualty!
But if he was gonna lie surely ‘he had some really tough training and it might have slowed him down a bit but it was all perfectly safe’ would be the lie?
Not ‘training went great, was 100% ready’
Would be some bizarre double bluff
how does Joshua's cheek look to you?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxvmToRlsVu/
Jun 2, 2019 -- 12:09PM, wolf3011 wrote:
Grant why do yo keep going on about a rematch at Wembley - Joshua is a no one now and Ruiz is world champion, why would he go to Wembley with a load of brain dead pisspots screaming sweet caroline to an overrated stiff robotic coward that has only had 22 wins against patsys? I presume there is a rematch clause but I will be amazed if its at Wembley
Grant the self proclaimed expert " The wembley venue is in the rematch clause" which we all knew wasnt but proceeded to call half the forum mugs. How fcking silly does he look now
