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Des Pond
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The Final of the WBSS Super Middleweight Tournament.  It's gone under the radar a bit, maybe partly due to the money-influenced decision to hold it in Saudi Arabia. And also because Smith is not a big name. It should be an interesting contest though, with the, so far, unbeaten Smith, much the taller man at 6 ft 3, against the heavier and much more experienced Groves.  On paper it looks like Groves is the more accomplished boxer with a more impressive resume, having fought well against real world class fighters (although he lost 3 of those). Whereas, Smith has never fought anyone as good as those fighters that beat Groves (at time when he was relatively inexperienced) nor indeed, as good as Groves himself. The biggest cause for concern for Groves is, of course, his dislocated shoulder. An injury sustained during his comprehensive win against the game, but outmatched Chris Eubank Jnr.  Groves' camp insist that the shoulder is fully functional following surgery, and will not cause him any problems. If that is the case, I think Groves shoud be able to outbox the taller man. and win a tough contest on points. However, a shoulder injury is a serious concern for any sportsman, especially a boxer, and can't be dismissed lightly.  Normally I would back Groves to beat a relatively limited fighter like Smith, without too many problems. However, the shoulder injury, along with Smith's size raise a few doubts. Groves's best attribute is possibly his excellent jab, along with his smart counter punching, but the height and reach advantage enjoyed by Smith may mitigate that factor to some extent. There have also been concerns expressed about Smith's hands, and whether he has some pain or injury, but you hear that kind of thing all the time, so who knows?  Groves to win for me, probably on points.
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Report Crisp77 September 28, 2018 9:42 PM BST
Smith power not shown at world level
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:43 PM BST
what round goes Mundo chin George?
Report Emitdeb September 28, 2018 9:43 PM BST
Happy Im on Smith here...
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 9:44 PM BST
Groves down all over. Shocked
Report Crisp77 September 28, 2018 9:44 PM BST
Smith wins
Report Crisp77 September 28, 2018 9:44 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:42PM, Crisp77 wrote:


Smith power not shown at world level


Shut up

Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:45 PM BST
CALLUM MUNDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SMITH!
Report jin_kazz September 28, 2018 9:45 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:43PM, wisewords wrote:


what round goes Mundo chin George?


7

Report Emitdeb September 28, 2018 9:46 PM BST
Goodnight Groves..
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:46 PM BST
Laugh lmao
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 9:46 PM BST
Ah well, glad it wasn't a big bet. Plain
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:46 PM BST
never saw a mundo smith KO coming at all, RIPgroves
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:46 PM BST
did you see the vicious punch Mundo threw in right at the end when George was pretty much down?
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:47 PM BST
yes
Report Emitdeb September 28, 2018 9:47 PM BST
Come on here trying to help you guys.... Laugh... Goodnight.
Report Crisp77 September 28, 2018 9:47 PM BST
WD Smith
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:48 PM BST
Good performance from Smith. Groves didn't seem to offer a lot. I actually had it even in rounds going into that round but Smith was winning his rounds much clearer and clearly causing Groves more issues having rocked him a couple of times already.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:48 PM BST
I was just away to back smith on points Laugh
Report yer ma September 28, 2018 9:49 PM BST
what an odd fight.  Groves looks like he couldnt deal with the conditions?
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:49 PM BST
Smith looked the young fresh fighter in there, Groves looked an old man really.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:49 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:01PM, wisewords wrote:


Sep 28, 2018 --  9:00PM, GRANTCKING wrote:and gut feeling is mundo smith wont do enoughMundo Smith has power in his hands when he lets them go


Should have believed Cooper. You knew about Mundo Smith before me. You forgot how good he is

Report soba September 28, 2018 9:51 PM BST
Smith looks awesome.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:51 PM BST
looks like matchroom as another pay per view fighter, this is getting messy
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 9:51 PM BST
Good performance from Smith, but Groves did look a bit drained and a bit old, tbh. Probably should retire now.
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:51 PM BST
Yer must say I was a non-believer in Smith.
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:52 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:51PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


looks like matchroom as another pay per view fighter, this is getting messy


Thing is he's just earned a fortune so basically has to be ppv for Eddie to pay him that sort of dough, but how he's gonna sell it I have no idea as he still has like zero profile.

Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:53 PM BST
im not shocked smith won but im shocked it was by KO, didnt see that coming at all
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:54 PM BST
Why, his route to winning was always KO imo (albeit he was also mostly outboxing Groves there which I didn't see outcoming), not like we've not seen Groves' suspect chin in the past.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:55 PM BST
he couldnt KO skoglund or a kickboxer
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 9:56 PM BST
so not sure how you can say it was always gonna be a KO!
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 9:56 PM BST
There were rumours that groves had a cold,, and he did look drained, but then he usually does.
Report yer ma September 28, 2018 9:56 PM BST
Not sure that proves much about Smith tbh - got impression Eubank, de gale et al would have Groves measure tonight for some reason (age / heat / shoulder?)
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 9:57 PM BST
First the USA capitulate at golf, now this! Sad
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:57 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:55PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


he couldnt KO skoglund or a kickboxer


Skoglund is underrated, and he boxed to orders against the kickboxer

Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:57 PM BST
I wasn't saying it was always gonna be a KO given I thought Groves would win, I am saying that I thought if Smith won it would be KO, Groves has a suspect engine and chin, which = at risk of KO.
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:57 PM BST
Skoglund took punches in that fight Groves never would be able to take.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:58 PM BST
Eddie looked awkward during those celebrations. I sense things have no always gone smoothly between the Smiths and Eddie in recent times
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 9:58 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:51PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


looks like matchroom as another pay per view fighter, this is getting messy


was so weird seeing Eddie in Smith's corner tonight

Report n88uk September 28, 2018 9:58 PM BST
Yer I have sensed that for ages. It's been noticeable for ages, given he doesn't even talk about Smith anymore and even talked up like Groves ages ago without mentioning Smith that we talked about at the time.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:00 PM BST
I actually thought that sort of stoppage could have arrived in like round 2 or 3, but Smith was more methodical than I expected him to be
Report n88uk September 28, 2018 10:01 PM BST
What PPV fight can Eddie even make for Smith exactly? DeGale?
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:02 PM BST
In the build up to this fight tonight, all I could think about how how Mundo chinned Rocky Fielding all those years ago it what was meant to be a 50/50 fight, how he tends to rise to the big occasion but looks crap in the smaller occasion fighting a nobody. And the fact George's chin isn't great, how Froch sparked him in Wembley
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:04 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 10:01PM, n88uk wrote:


What PPV fight can Eddie even make for Smith exactly? DeGale?


dunno but when u see some of the ther gash thats been PPV and now smith a world champ he surely has to be PPV

Report n88uk September 28, 2018 10:05 PM BST
Smith vs no name will sell horrendously.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:06 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:46PM, wisewords wrote:


did you see the vicious punch Mundo threw in right at the end when George was pretty much down?


was this legal?

Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:06 PM BST
wasnt, groves was down
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:06 PM BST
but nobody mentioning it!
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:07 PM BST
was also brutal watching George shaking his head as the ref counted 8, 9, 10
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 10:07 PM BST
It was a bit naughty, but ultimately didn't make any difference.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:07 PM BST
are porto gonna get a late goal to avoid bursting one
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:08 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 10:07PM, Des Pond wrote:


It was a bit naughty, but ultimately didn't make any difference.


how can you say that? that punched finished George off if there was any hope he could have recovered

Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 10:08 PM BST
Smith is freakishly big at the weight. Gawd knows how he makes it.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:08 PM BST
and this is from a Mundo backer!
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 10:08 PM BST
nah, i think George was done, tbh.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:09 PM BST
we will never know for sure but I kinda get the feeling groves might have got up without it
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:09 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 9:52PM, n88uk wrote:


Sep 28, 2018 --  9:51PM, GRANTCKING wrote:looks like matchroom as another pay per view fighter, this is getting messyThing is he's just earned a fortune so basically has to be ppv for Eddie to pay him that sort of dough, but how he's gonna sell it I have no idea as he still has like zero profile.


Profile will have increased a little tonight, but he needs a big Sky PPV fight against DeGale to properly cement his reputation

Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:11 PM BST
Tesco Joe pound for pound #1 trainer now Cooper
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:12 PM BST
Grin
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:12 PM BST
callum mundo smith is like a jumbo jet coming out the hanger
Report Des Pond September 28, 2018 10:13 PM BST
A combination of the size difference, poor acclimatisation from Groves, him having a cold and the worry about the shoulder. It was all too much for Groves to overcome. And he is an Old 30 tbh. Smith's preparation was better and it helped him a lot.
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:15 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 10:08PM, Des Pond wrote:


nah, i think George was done, tbh.


he probably was. but was Callum's final punch legal? it's borderline

Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:15 PM BST
it was an illegal punch, his knee was down
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:15 PM BST
u cant chin someone when theyre down!
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:16 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 10:09PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


we will never know for sure but I kinda get the feeling groves might have got up without it


same, got up to unsteady legs and maybe got waved off. or Mundo charged in again and finished him. doubt it changed the outcome but it was probably an illegal punch the final one

Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:17 PM BST

Sep 28, 2018 -- 10:15PM, GRANTCKING wrote:


u cant chin someone when theyre down!


Laugh I was surprised tbh. I thought Callum was a nice boy! But he showed viciousness with that one

Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:18 PM BST
akin to chinning someone, then while they're down booting them in the bollocks then walking off
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:18 PM BST
1-0 Porto Cooper
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:19 PM BST
Laugh yep, u see the goalkeeping
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:19 PM BST
Grin suspecto
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:19 PM BST
yes, long range shot, should have held it, but he parried it/it squirmed out
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:19 PM BST
squirmed out of his arms
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:20 PM BST
classic portual where the favs always seem to escape
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:20 PM BST
not last night, Benfica were 1-2 up in stoppage time but ended 2-2. but they were away
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:20 PM BST
the big teams win alot at home, I agree with you
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:22 PM BST
not much on now
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:30 PM BST
indeed
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:31 PM BST
Cooper if Mundo had won in round 3 when he had some good success, I'd have won huge. I backed Mundo to win, Mundo by TKO/KO/DQ and Mundo round 1-3
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:33 PM BST
Shocked
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:33 PM BST
2 winner sstill good
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:33 PM BST
I just had over 9.5 rounds for a 4 fold Sad
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:47 PM BST
bad times Coop. I just kept having visions of that Fielding fight. I think Mundo could have done that to George too, but I suppose he decided it was too dangerous so did it a bit more methodically
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:50 PM BST
I wonder what the issue is between Eddie and the Smith's
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:52 PM BST
yeh not sure, maybe theyre still pissed off with all the inactivity he had?
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:53 PM BST
some people saying on twitter it's because when the fighter is entered into the WBSS, it's not Eddie's job to promote it as it's on a rival channel
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:54 PM BST
the proof will be now as Callum will be back under Eddie now
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 10:57 PM BST
for you Cooper

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/28/eddie-hearn-aims-to-revolutionise-rugby-league-with-ambitious-plans
.
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 10:59 PM BST
yeh I heard something aout this a few months ago, wasnt sure if it was serious or not tho
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 11:02 PM BST
dont know eddie is gonna have time for it tho
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 11:03 PM BST
hes boxing every single day
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 11:03 PM BST
true
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 11:05 PM BST
gonna have an early night, feel gassed from getting up at 7am for the gold
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 11:05 PM BST
golf
Report GRANTCKING September 28, 2018 11:05 PM BST
laters
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 11:05 PM BST
later Coop
Report SontaranStratagem September 28, 2018 11:21 PM BST
Got that massively wrong

Smith far to good
Report tobermory September 28, 2018 11:27 PM BST
lol I actually didn't even know this was on tonight !

I vaguely remembered it was on late September ( certainly wasn't reminded by any marketing; never saw a mention of it anywhere ) but assumed it was on a Saturday as Friday hasn't been a big fight night since the 80s at least.

Sounds like Groves is done. Been in a lot of wars and his post fight comments indicate he wasn't surprised by the outcome. Perhaps just still injured and went through with it for the payday.
Report tobermory September 28, 2018 11:30 PM BST
So will Calum's first defence be at Anfield ?

Or will Sauerland be organizing it for a Thursday afternoon in Borneo.....
Report wisewords September 28, 2018 11:34 PM BST
Sauerland isn't Callum's promoter. Eddie Hearn and Matchroom are. And Anfield won't be available until next summer
Report n88uk September 29, 2018 12:20 AM BST
Eddie will likely try and organise a homecoming at the Echo or maybe MEN (really depends on opponent tbh) for Feb time. Very hard at this point to know whose on the table. DeGale was talking up he will have a big fight before the end of the year, but no way Smith is back out before the end of the year. DeGale probs is the right sorta fight for him though, easy PPV, and it's one he should win easily as DeGale is gone imo thus will boost his profile which badly needs boosting in the UK.
Report TheBaron September 29, 2018 10:46 AM BST
I was impressed by Smiths discipline obviously had a plan and stuck to it.  Groves is looking shot should retire.  Will be interesting to see Smith's tactics against his next opponent.
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