New Posts For Thread: Well Done Barry Connellhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connellBreeding and selling are based on trust, that nothing is in the game. All Irish breeders should applaude him as he's taken one for the reputation of the Irish horsevery good points PP,I'd add to that a noteworthy case in Big Brown, who was a high-profile beneficiary of the lax rules on steroids in the U.S.In the years since he's gone to stud (as a double classic winner), he's dropped in price from 65 to 10 k UShttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538113647#538113647very good points PP,I'd add to that a noteworthy case in Big Brown, who was a high-profile beneficiary of the lax rules on steroids in the U.S.In the years since he's gone to stud (as a double classic winner), he's dropped in price from 65 to 10 k USSun, 23 Feb 2014 00:59:34 -0600Before everyone gets on their high horse about steroids in the UK and Ireland just remember this. In the US and Australia (until 1 May 2014) anabolic steroids are permitted out of training.Therefore it is conceivable that horses purchased in those chttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538108283#538108283Before everyone gets on their high horse about steroids in the UK and Ireland just remember this. In the US and Australia (until 1 May 2014) anabolic steroids are permitted out of training.Therefore it is conceivable that horses purchased in those cSat, 22 Feb 2014 14:57:58 -0600A gelding on steroids reflect very badly on a trainer. Not on the farms that produce them.Ireland, basically, is a farm. Once you have doping in the system the racing results are questioned. If somewhere else is clean, then go there because no-one wahttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538085275#538085275A gelding on steroids reflect very badly on a trainer. Not on the farms that produce them.Ireland, basically, is a farm. Once you have doping in the system the racing results are questioned. If somewhere else is clean, then go there because no-one waFri, 21 Feb 2014 08:18:55 -0600Yer ma, more erudite than me as ever.Still cannot see why steroids to jumping geldings knocks on to the breeding and sales scene. There are trainers who will do all sorts to get ahead but I think that people will make their own judgments as to how thhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538085063#538085063Yer ma, more erudite than me as ever.Still cannot see why steroids to jumping geldings knocks on to the breeding and sales scene. There are trainers who will do all sorts to get ahead but I think that people will make their own judgments as to how thFri, 21 Feb 2014 08:04:54 -0600Breeding wise this is pretty irrelevant - this will defo be older horses getting pick me ups / putting on condition / recovering from injury. well not if the Barry Connells don't want it, there's a huge concentration of numbers in a few hands and thehttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538085031#538085031Breeding wise this is pretty irrelevant - this will defo be older horses getting pick me ups / putting on condition / recovering from injury. well not if the Barry Connells don't want it, there's a huge concentration of numbers in a few hands and theFri, 21 Feb 2014 08:02:55 -0600hi yer ma,true that Connell is say taking a hit of 10k euro, given the prize money and odds of winning ... pocket change, and nothing to a man who shuns the spotlight,but look at the great horses Ireland has produced, Sea the Stars, Galileo, New Apprhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538084973#538084973hi yer ma,true that Connell is say taking a hit of 10k euro, given the prize money and odds of winning ... pocket change, and nothing to a man who shuns the spotlight,but look at the great horses Ireland has produced, Sea the Stars, Galileo, New ApprFri, 21 Feb 2014 07:56:39 -0600I sort of see where you are coming from but tbh I think he's taking a pragmatic rather than moral stand here. No suggestion he's leaving trainer. If the horses are implicated and say you win a the festival and get stripped of a title what a nightmahttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538084743#538084743I sort of see where you are coming from but tbh I think he's taking a pragmatic rather than moral stand here. No suggestion he's leaving trainer. If the horses are implicated and say you win a the festival and get stripped of a title what a nightmaFri, 21 Feb 2014 07:37:13 -0600e.g. Breeze-ups or PtP horses could go to an English buyer or to Barry Connell, potentially these could be 'pumped'If Mr. Connell is willing to make such a stand at personal loss (and he's not the only one who would do it, it's symbolic ... the playhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538078499#538078499e.g. Breeze-ups or PtP horses could go to an English buyer or to Barry Connell, potentially these could be 'pumped'If Mr. Connell is willing to make such a stand at personal loss (and he's not the only one who would do it, it's symbolic ... the playThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:29:13 -0600If a prominent owner makes a big stand against the practice then it's a signal of his confidence in the breeders he invests in, and it dissuades anyone from trying to cut corners in future. IF a farm gets a reputation as a good source, it's worth keehttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538078419#538078419If a prominent owner makes a big stand against the practice then it's a signal of his confidence in the breeders he invests in, and it dissuades anyone from trying to cut corners in future. IF a farm gets a reputation as a good source, it's worth keeThu, 20 Feb 2014 16:24:10 -0600How does Mr Connell's actions have much of an impact on Irish Breeders or buying and selling ffs?What am I missing here.If a trainer uses illegal substances to get ahead then throw the book at him I say and it is laudable that Mr Connell wishes to kehttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/30205475/well-done-barry-connell?post_id=538076219#538076219How does Mr Connell's actions have much of an impact on Irish Breeders or buying and selling ffs?What am I missing here.If a trainer uses illegal substances to get ahead then throw the book at him I say and it is laudable that Mr Connell wishes to keThu, 20 Feb 2014 14:30:40 -0600