New Posts For Thread: Sires in Form Junehttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-juneHalf way through the year already and the UK wins totals are as follows:Sire Year JuneCape Cross 50 18Danehill Dancer 46 17Kyllachy 45 5Exceed and Excel 43 13Dansili 41Cape Cross still finding more top class performers with Sea Lord winning a valuable handicap off 106. Must be worth 112 now so Group 2/3 class.https://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=459624201#459624201Cape Cross still finding more top class performers with Sea Lord winning a valuable handicap off 106. Must be worth 112 now so Group 2/3 class.Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:35:08 -0500As we near the end of the month, the top 10 sires are still returning a lot of winners. Medicean on 54, Pivotal now up to 49 after a string of wins in the last week, Noverre a double today so up to 46. Selkirk now on 33 which is not among the top sirhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=458991397#458991397As we near the end of the month, the top 10 sires are still returning a lot of winners. Medicean on 54, Pivotal now up to 49 after a string of wins in the last week, Noverre a double today so up to 46. Selkirk now on 33 which is not among the top sirMon, 26 Jul 2010 10:24:28 -0500Half way through July the leaders are now:Cape Cross 60Danehill Dancer 53Kyllachy 52Medicean 50Oasis Dream 50https://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457607781#457607781Half way through July the leaders are now:Cape Cross 60Danehill Dancer 53Kyllachy 52Medicean 50Oasis Dream 50Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:11:26 -0500Markington another £10 handicap winner for Medicean. He is really getting up into the top 5 this season and many progeny improving with age. I am following his older horses blind at the moment.https://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457064233#457064233Markington another £10 handicap winner for Medicean. He is really getting up into the top 5 this season and many progeny improving with age. I am following his older horses blind at the moment.Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:28:24 -0500yer ma,I must admit I find RP stats very simplistic, generally inaccurate and statistically unsound. I doubt that sounds like a spokesperson.For example their Broodmare stats are just the "sire" stats quoted as the broodmare sire.I am sure Pivotal dihttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457063389#457063389yer ma,I must admit I find RP stats very simplistic, generally inaccurate and statistically unsound. I doubt that sounds like a spokesperson.For example their Broodmare stats are just the "sire" stats quoted as the broodmare sire.I am sure Pivotal diTue, 13 Jul 2010 10:21:12 -0500BTW, equimine without sounding like a spokesperson - the RP stats have Pivotal ahead of most sires of similar fee (or more) in terms of 100+ rated. 18% of runners in the full 2009 season. Dansili 11%, Danehill Dancer 15%, Red Ransom 11%, etc. Bloohttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457055169#457055169BTW, equimine without sounding like a spokesperson - the RP stats have Pivotal ahead of most sires of similar fee (or more) in terms of 100+ rated. 18% of runners in the full 2009 season. Dansili 11%, Danehill Dancer 15%, Red Ransom 11%, etc. BlooTue, 13 Jul 2010 09:18:30 -0500IMO he's not outlandishly expensive (no-one should be paying the headline fee). He's in that middle ground of being a proven sire but not absolute top notch. If you dont want to pay massive bucks and dont want a foal share then your listhttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457051577#457051577IMO he's not outlandishly expensive (no-one should be paying the headline fee). He's in that middle ground of being a proven sire but not absolute top notch. If you dont want to pay massive bucks and dont want a foal share then your listTue, 13 Jul 2010 08:46:33 -0500Yes Equimine he did stand at 85k and that only underlines imo how far too top heavy he is,I think he would be okay at 40k but not a penny more!https://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457047541#457047541Yes Equimine he did stand at 85k and that only underlines imo how far too top heavy he is,I think he would be okay at 40k but not a penny more!Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:13:48 -0500I know your not a fan of stats PD, but Pivotal certainly doesn't appear to justify his fee on the numbers. Whilst his general level of progeny is above average, his 90+ rated percentage is below par for the covering fee.I think I am correct in shttps://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457034461#457034461I know your not a fan of stats PD, but Pivotal certainly doesn't appear to justify his fee on the numbers. Whilst his general level of progeny is above average, his 90+ rated percentage is below par for the covering fee.I think I am correct in sTue, 13 Jul 2010 05:57:30 -0500Or is it perhaps that Pivotal is not such a great sire that he is marketed as?Standing at 65k he imo looks top heavy for what we see on the racecourse.https://community.betfair.com/bloodstock__breeding/go/thread/view/94018/25192221/sires-in-form-june?post_id=457026813#457026813Or is it perhaps that Pivotal is not such a great sire that he is marketed as?Standing at 65k he imo looks top heavy for what we see on the racecourse.Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:11:51 -0500