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siwaadupa
11 Jan 14 02:33
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Cant believe what happened on basket. Their brilliant idea caused no interest from punters. Well done Breon ;)

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By:
jajabink
When: 12 Jan 14 00:35
sportsbook is useless on baskets,tried to place a bet 4 times and every time the odds sunk lower,all this in the space of 30 seconds,unreal!!!!!! never again
By:
Swedebank
When: 12 Jan 14 08:31
And on the European markets just bots bots and even more bots.
By:
jajabink
When: 12 Jan 14 10:08
and were only talking 5 pound bets,abso joke
By:
rink rat
When: 16 Jan 14 20:26
The long time customers are expected to turn a profit on THESE markets, and if they do are required to turn 40% of their winnings back to the host. Amazing really anyone is left.
                                                                                                                   RR.
By:
rink rat
When: 16 Jan 14 20:40
That being said, the in-play on p!nnacle is a joke. Line has changed everytime you attempt. Figures as your taking money directly out of their pocket.
By:
curlywurly
When: 20 Jan 14 23:31
Due to pc and the need for sleep I have hardly done any basketball this season.
I tried tonight seeing as it's MLK day and the games are staggered throughout the evening.
What a joke.
Absolutely zero liquidity on the points and caps, just a bookend bot with awful prices.
Total waste of time.
By:
fixed
When: 25 Jan 14 02:47
probably the exact opposite of what most people say...liquidity/amount matched is not lowest but highest ever

however margins and the percentage of matched bets that dont involve bots are probably at a low
By:
siwaadupa
When: 26 Jan 14 21:23
you either must be here few months or just working for bf. Its totaly disaster. Cant even compare how it used to be 3,4,5 years ago.
By:
fixed
When: 27 Jan 14 03:07
i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back then

one thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity
By:
Hank Hill
When: 27 Jan 14 23:40
Are we talking low liquidity in play or pre off too? Not been in the hoops markets for a while, but there is a 20k lay for Phoenix right now. Not too shabby surely.
By:
Musik
When: 28 Jan 14 03:20
all about the fast feeds these day, nothing else Cool
By:
Musik
When: 28 Jan 14 03:23
Durant Love
By:
siwaadupa
When: 29 Jan 14 09:26

Jan 27, 2014 -- 3:07AM, fixed wrote:


i can. liquidity is much improved. some markets (1st qurater handicap) didn't even exist back thenone thing that hasn't changed: 3,4,5 years ago people complained about lack of liquidity


Some markets didnt exist back then, but nba games used to have at least 100k matched match odds- pre play! And it was more than 5y ago. No there are some games pre play under 10k. Liquidity is ~80% lower than 5 years ago!

By:
siwaadupa
When: 29 Jan 14 09:26
now there are some games pre play under 10k *
By:
rink rat
When: 30 Jan 14 17:59
Back in the day I could get 5-10K USD matched pre-off on any total at market prices. Now if I leave my bet up all day (first in line)I get a few hundred matched. Quite sad to see whats happened to my all time favourite internet gambling place.
By:
fixed
When: 31 Jan 14 03:08
the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago

80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that
By:
siwaadupa
When: 31 Jan 14 11:39

Jan 31, 2014 -- 3:08AM, fixed wrote:


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago80% down is so ridiculous a comment i'll leave it at that


has gone up? are you crazy?! where do you see an increase?
I'm pointing on match odds market only(total ponts). If you interest is on 1st quarter point then yes. There is an increase, because 1st quarter market didn't exist then!.
Do you see an increase on match odds market? where? 8k matched pre play? La games(clippers), Miami 50k matched pre play? Is this an increase?
I remeber times where 400k where matched pre play!

By:
siwaadupa
When: 31 Jan 14 11:41
*I remember times where 400k were matched pre play!
By:
fixed
When: 05 Feb 14 01:51
of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago
By:
map
When: 08 Feb 14 03:47
some games do seem to have very low liquidity
By:
TheInvestor2
When: 21 Feb 14 15:37
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*I remember times where 400k were matched pre play!
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of course you remember a single game out of 1000 a season where the amount matched was bigger than in a random game you pick out of this season because some people tend to use this kind of reasoning to "prove" a point


the total amount matched on basketball has gone up compared to 5 years ago


This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data.
By:
siwaadupa
When: 21 Feb 14 21:31
Few hours to go (5h)
Match odds market:
boston@lakers
Matched: GBP 810
Everything grows here. Frustration is on a first place ;)
By:
rink rat
When: 23 Feb 14 00:49
Can't get sh!t matched. Cut the charge BETFAIR and bring back some life to these sorry markets.
By:
fixed
When: 24 Feb 14 03:09
"This argument is fairly easily solved if someone cares to have a look at the betfair historical data. "

http://community.betfair.com/general_betting/go/thread/view/94082/28207603/impact-of-pc2-a-look-at-the-factual-numbers?sdb=1&pg=4

year    turnover m    yoy
2008    504   
2009    628    25%
2010    777    24%
2011    940    21%


sustained and healthy growth, turnover almost doubled there
using that the " Liquidity is ~80% lower" statement by mr siwaadupa is about 1000% off the mark
By:
numer0ne
When: 24 Feb 14 09:22
Glad that's cleared up. The next pressing question is does Jason Collins get his own changing room? If not the cheeky devil must have been in heaven this morning. Imagine being let into a lockeroom of professional sports women and watching them shower etc Confused
By:
siwaadupa
When: 28 Feb 14 20:03
I used to trade on a basket because that's one of my favorite sports. I guess you must be either a fastest man on a market or just person who sells chewing gums on a sunday market. Im closer to believe in second option. How can it grows up when we have no bets there? there is absolutely no point to stay during a night and wait for a good price. No bets no fun! Easy for me.
Have you seen this video?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrFJQ0iGzw0&list=PLNeG_gj9HzAWMhKkdkZd9z1n6tVjQypWv&index=13
You must be very big fan of it. Hahaha
Liquidity has gone up! hahaha
By:
siwaadupa
When: 28 Feb 14 20:06
@fixed liquidity has gone up : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CBC9F249F46D3EF
By:
siwaadupa
When: 28 Feb 14 20:07
youtube.com/watch?v=M1owcncKCHg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL5CBC9F249F46D3EF
By:
rink rat
When: 01 Mar 14 23:38
Fixed your stats are for 2011, how about something more prudent say 2012- 2014????????????????????
By:
fixed
When: 02 Mar 14 01:19
nah.....we are at 'liqidity up 100%" by quick copy pasting from different thread

your turn to do the data digging if you still cling to your belief, don't you think ??!!
By:
siwaadupa
When: 02 Mar 14 18:39
Data? One of the best teams in NBA:
New York - Chicago :
Saturday 6PM- NO main football at this time- 25 k matched(!) on match odds market after first 5 mins in play.
I have never seen that little matched at this time of a day.
You dont need to dig ot at data.betfair.com (Ive tried but its not clear-its not like you going there and see how many bets were placed. You have to add those figures- too much effort) I feel as a trader that basket has dried up.
Do you sell chewing gums or lollipops? Has you business gone up as basket at betfair? Hahaha @fixed.
By:
fixed
When: 02 Mar 14 22:30
no but instead of selling i could buy a million gums 1$ a piece !?

and as the guy with all the gums i call the shots: as far as we know over roughly a 5y period basketball liquidity is up 100%, your guesswork has you down 1000% and that's it (barring additional data showing something different)
By:
Beaniash
When: 03 Mar 14 18:49
I THINK BETFAIR VIDEO IS UNDER CUTTING LEAGUE PASS WHEN U CAN HAVE £10 AND WATCH ANY GAME U WANT. GRANTED ITS NOW SUPER HD QUALITY BUT GOOD ENOUGH.

I WASTED £170+ ON THAT **** THATS ALMOST 3 MINS BEHIND
By:
siwaadupa
When: 05 Mar 14 19:15
Liquidity is up 100% hahaha! Dont be cynical.
Because I've joined forum in feb 2012 it doesnt mean that I dont know what used to happen here before, son. I used to do basketball and I was making lots of easy money here. Im not able to do it anymore- because it has completely dried up. Go and sell your sweets betfair is too complicated for you son.
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 08 Mar 14 02:19
This is purely a qualitative analysis, but it seems that liquidity has been a little better in-play since the New Year, though it is up and down on certain days and if there's something else on, like tennis particularly. But there is practically zero matched pre-match. I've given up trying on basketball before the off, and often even until the second half.
By:
fixed
When: 08 Mar 14 04:12
yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.

this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose money


also after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)
By:
nugget
When: 08 Mar 14 04:31
courtsiders all over the nba this season
By:
Darlo Bantam
When: 09 Mar 14 01:13

Mar 8, 2014 -- 4:12AM, fixed wrote:


yet there is no need for this kind of qualitative analysis as we have the data.this is amazing. one doesn't need to look any further than this thread to see why 99% of gamblers lose moneyalso after he obviously left us behind here i'd like to encourage the initial contributor (Mr. -1000%) to use his liquidity expertise on markets more deserving of his time ?! (stock exchange/money markets and of course special advisor to ECB, FED)


Does data count when the best you've provided is three years out of date and is therefore totally irrelevant to whether liquidity is higher or lower this year?

By:
Swedebank
When: 09 Mar 14 09:20
More like bots with very fast score feed nugget. Same sadness in most european games as well.
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