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With the interactive gambling act now being reviewed for first time since 2001, there have been several articles recently in newspapers re online in-play in Australia
There's calls from the Australian Wagering Council and various sporting codes to allow online in-play betting in Australia. Their main argument is that in-play betting can be regulated properly if it's legalised, instead of in-play bets going offshore. They also claim it doesn't make sense to allow horse racing in-play but not sports betting
The racing industry, the TAB and Clubs Austrlia are against in-play betting. They argue that it'd be better to ban offshore bookies and that they're worried that it will increase gambling problems (wouldn't have anything to do with fact that they don't want sports betting as competition of course). And it goes without saying Nick Xenophon is against it as he's against all forms of gambling
Here's a piece from last night on the ABC 7:30 report re in-play betting in Oz. Just click on latest program 11th of Dec...
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
There's calls from the Australian Wagering Council and various sporting codes to allow online in-play betting in Australia. Their main argument is that in-play betting can be regulated properly if it's legalised, instead of in-play bets going offshore. They also claim it doesn't make sense to allow horse racing in-play but not sports betting
The racing industry, the TAB and Clubs Austrlia are against in-play betting. They argue that it'd be better to ban offshore bookies and that they're worried that it will increase gambling problems (wouldn't have anything to do with fact that they don't want sports betting as competition of course). And it goes without saying Nick Xenophon is against it as he's against all forms of gambling
Here's a piece from last night on the ABC 7:30 report re in-play betting in Oz. Just click on latest program 11th of Dec...
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/
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Good to see another 'In Play" thread on the forum. Logic says the should be relaxed for sports, but has Clubs Australia ever backed a loser?
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* the law
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Given in-play betting has being mentioned in the press every day for the last two weeks, surely it's a relevent discussion point?
There hasn't been a review of the Gambling Act since 2001, it's likely nothing will change re in-play betting but atleast it's being looked into. Every submission to Barry O'Farrell so far has mentioned in-play betting laws, both positive and negative. And yes, I agree Clubs Australia's submission will carry the most weight |
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As regards the abc 7.30 report
It fulfilled the journalist creed of 'Never let the truth get in the way of a good story' Forget the presenter as they are just the vocal mouthpiece,the reporter is your run of the mill from channel 7 to 9 to sbs to abc. Now to the content The players: I.Fletcher AWC-Australian Wagering Council Dr C.Livingstone lecturer on Public Health and prevention based on gambling addiction,Monash uni P.V'landys Chief Exec NSW Racing M.Speed Businessman and former CEO ICC(InternationalCricketCouncil) To give each person their due recognition in this charade i will play by charade rules. Fletch started off with beads of sweat as he stumbled to verbally make sense of what he was saying.His performance and answers are not even worth repeating but to clarify his situation as representing the AWC-Australian Wagering Council,it is worth noting that he was pushed forward as the unwilling puppet. More importantly some of the other members of this AWC are C.Barry rep for Sportsbet. Tom (Colgate)W rep for William Hill. P.Straunton rep UBet are we seeing a correlation yet ? D.Moran rep Bet36Hello So there are the other mouths of the AWC of which none,zero,naught spoke.nothing surprising in that here is the AWC trying to stop any In-Play options whose members have a vested interest in gamblers. Doc Living made several good points. Eddie Munster(Vdys) kept bashing the Integrity,scrutinize line and why ??? for Integrity and Scrutinizing ?? err no,it is not in his boards(nsw racing) interest to keep losing market share to other sports,simple as that.Again i wouldn't even bother explaining the pitfalls in his statements/answers as to do so would be giving them some amount of credence. Speedy tried to return the yorkers by saying integrity issues are already in place,of which thanks to Betfair,yes,they are but of course none of the above mentioned that. Overall 7+ minutes of tripe with the coveted "I'm shytting bricks like a Big Alsatian dog" award going to Fletch,see what happens, next time get the makeup dept to go extra heavy on the Base Rouge. Special mention goes to Eddie M for his,i will defend my post with this chocolate gun no matter who attacks me. So what does it all mean and who gives a shyte what i think anyway,well for the In-Play hopefuls i don't see it changing but as mentioned there are legal ways around it..to a point but yes if your a nail biter with a digit waiting to push the mouse as soon as something happens in a sports event i think you will remain disappointed. Lastly i live by my sword but i would stop others doing the same,so Dr Livingstone get's my vote for his reasons why the new generations are on the verge of been infected by an epidemic which now numbers 2. drugs/alcohol and the Gamble. |
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Well, as you point out there are ways around it, like vpn's...
I'm probably one of the few people left who isn't using one so I guess most people don't give a **** whether the in-play law changes anyway |
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bf is pretty vigilant on people using VPNs, if you have Australian address.
Although not as generally vigilant as they were a few years ago. I'd informed them I would be overseas and betting in play. Not only did they want a contact number at my destination. They called me overseas to check if I was actually there. I doubt we will get online inplay betting. Not that it concerns me. I had a couple of years of it at purple and found it was easy to get sucked into short term swings. I do much better placing bets pre-play, which forces you to think ahead. |
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Yeah that's true, people think that online in-play betting is just a ticket to making more money, which it isn't of course.
But it'd be nice to have the option. Losing money is never fun, but it'd be easier to take if you could blame yourself for making a mistake, rather than blaming the fact it takes so long to bet over phone and you can miss the price you wanted. |
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people think that online in-play betting is just a ticket to making more money,
It is when you are one of the players at the bar b que that set up the set play to get on the certainty....(sorry cricket fans..nrl fans / soccer fans / basketball fans etc etc etc) |
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Looks like the government is due to release their response to its review of the Interactive Gambling Act soon, possibly as early as late January
http://theconversation.com/vested-interest-the-safest-bet-as-online-gambling-reviews-release-looms-51991 |
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As regards vpn's(dec 13) nope not the option i was meaning. Anyway as to the upcoming release,I suggest(if anything)they might try to curtail what is already allowed. I also suggest any changes will revolve around Wagering Companies offering Lines of credit,Advanced loans and unlicensed offshore gigs. Yes pokies are the blight but you can only stuff so many coins into a machine but you can massage the Iphone/App and lose any amount in a click,so imo that will be the base reasoning to disallow any easements for On-line bettors. Fair? Unfair? are wrong considerations.What affects the majority of Duds,Mugs and the A list will probably overrule the minority of so called betting disciplinarians. Akin to a farmer whose crop(Australia) has been besieged by locusts(All Corps). Does the farmer continue to buy more seed to counter the locust knowing the same end result is evident? or does he try to limit/eradicate/suppress the Locust.? The price you pay as a 'Land of Opportunity' is yet to be Tallied. |
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Well I'm not sure what option you mean then eight ball.
Agree with most your points, reforms will more than likely be more restrictive than anything. Though I would argue pokies are more dangerous than betting on a phone, given that the machines are designed to hypnotise people. |
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Another article in yesterdays Sydney Herald. Albeit it doesn't really add anything new
http://www.smh.com.au/national/bookmakers-and-the-gambling-industry-push-to-legalise-live-betting-20160107-gm18s8.html |
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I'm bringing back da dredge
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http://www.afr.com/business/gambling/turnbull-government-must-be-game-to-overhaul-online-gambling-20160117-gm7mil
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Kevin, is that you Kevin?
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WH still getting around the in-play restrictions...
http://calvinayre.com/2016/01/18/business/australian-open-in-play-betting-could-speed-up-iga-review/ http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/tennis-bets-soar-as-gambling-giant-shrugs-off-controversy-20160119-gm9bbs |
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Where there's a Will
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Though according to todays Melbournes Herald Sun the Vic Government if fuming that they're getting away with this loophole
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victorian-government-angry-over-australian-open-bookmaker-deal-as-police-examine-inplay-betting/news-story/f033b5139c4f85a74af26469dc502c6e |
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WH is furious with the Herald Sun, basically accusing them of making the story up
http://calvinayre.com/2016/01/21/business/william-hill-demands-herald-sun-to-retract-front-page-over-in-play-betting-claims/ But that hasn't stopped the Herald Sun from writing a follow up article lol http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-government-called-for-inplay-betting-crackdown-before-australian-open-sponsorship-concerns/news-story/59de3388d10f21915ec7fb872decf863 |
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The tennis match-fixing saga and the attention that WH's sponsorship of Oz Open is getting have come at a bad time for anyone wanting positive changes to the IGA. WH may well be shooting themselves in the foot longterm by getting around the in-play restrictions now.
The way things are going, in-play betting might be lost altogether if the powers that be ban bookmakers from offering odds once events go in-play. |
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An interesting article in todays The Australian newspaper
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/everything-to-play-for-in-sports-betting/news-story/de8e6248040797bf60b633444239e2e2 Rick Wallace could be on the money with the following statement... In the spirit of this new Australia Day tradition of viewing events through a gambler’s eyes, the smart money is on a solution that pushes any decision on in-play beyond the next election, but comes down hard on restricting credit betting and restricting access to offshore betting shops He's probably right, if the in-play law doesn't change in next few months it's difficult to see it happening in next 10 years atleast |
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The first hints that in-play betting could become a reality, according to the Sydney Telegraph atleast
http://calvinayre.com/2016/01/29/business/aussie-minister-hints-legal-in-play-sports-betting/ http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/inplay-betting-now-at-shorter-odds-as-momentum-for-gambling-change-grows/news-story/74348ab3f23249fb2cc7ac05fec003fb |
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A glimmer of hope maybe, let us pray for some common-sense to prevail and the shackles may be removed.
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I still remain sceptical because of the political difficulties of convincing an ignorant community that freeing up the rules of internet in-play will not cause the end of the world.
I do have a vindictive streak against clubs with their poker machines that might suffer and also racing clubs that think that to increase revenue all the tabs have to do is increase their take out from respective pools. Neither the clubs or racing authoritiesc give a sh1t about their customers. Therein ends the sermon.  |
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Maybe this Oz Open Tennis match fixing saga will actually be a good thing in the end.
It might be easier for the powers that be to convince the community that it's necessary to bring in in-play betting in order to regulate the industry properly and hence stamp out match fixing. |
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These tennis allegations are so old they've got cobwebs all over them. Just happened to be brought up on the eve of Aust Open.
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They are Kamikazee, but 99% of the public are caught surprised by these allegations and the timing of this story is what's important.
The media has a big influence over the publics perceptions of the betting industry, and as Trotlover touched on the community is generally naive as to what in-play betting is and what it actually involves. So it doesn't help when a newspaper publishes an article with a title like this as it only increases negative perceptions... http://www.afr.com/business/sport/tennis-australia-president-stephen-healy-concerned-about-matchfixing-and-inplay-betting-20160128-gmgmop Tennis Australia president Stephen Healy is more concerned about in-play betting options that could lead to spot fixing, not on in-play betting as a whole. A point that seems to be lost on the writer of this article. |
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I don't suppose the recent spotlight on tennis match fixing by the press on the eve of the in-play legislation being examined is more than coincidence.
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Haha maybe Trotlover, but would like to think it was a coincidence. Whatever the case, the match fixing saga has surely been blown out of proportion?
There was a good article in The Australian newspaper a few days ago. Basically suggests the mixed doubles match fixing saga was a load of rubbish... http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/tennis/its-oddson-tennis-australian-open-fix-was-a-cockup/news-story/77ba70c036f8047c4c74a375dadb8f21 |
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Kevin, is that you Kevin?
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/northern-territory-backs-inplay-betting-20160131-gmhvsf.html
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Monica Monica
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So many journalists make such a smooth transition from corruption to the in-play betting debate - yet they never get around to informing us what's so scary about it(IP betting).
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/turf-thoroughbreds/racing-australia-ceo-demands-ban-on-inplay-betting/news-story/755b36c8dbb7cd9c006bcc646d012377
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Hope the AFL, NRL Cricket Australia etc are stirring the pot behind the scenes to have the rules relaxed.
Difficult position for them to be openly seen as supporting any form of gambling. |
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There's a sniff of desperation in Mcgauran words, almost as if his political contacts have told him the law will be changed.
Perhaps throwing one last pile of mud in the hope of protecting his industry from competition. Perhaps a coordinated attack from the industry as the NSW Trainers & Jockeys ass. expressed a similar view last week, although they were keen to stress that in-play betting on horse-racing created perception issues for racing but did not actually lead to corruption, of course to claim other-wise would be to suggest that not all of their members were of good character. Peter Mcgauran wasn't so kind. Expect to see PV wheeled out in the coming days with some more tales of doom. |
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/offshore-giants-to-plunder-betting-sites/news-story/5f00e62728c27728b153d547677c8196
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/tabcorp-live-online-betting-legal-034110285.html "The current situation is untenable and the federal government must act now to address it," according to Tabcorp CEO David Attenborough He's right there, something has to give one way or another. And more than likely sooner rather than later |
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Unbelievable interview between Peter VDL and Ray Hadley today. Fairly certain not one thing VDL said was true and Hadley just knows nothing about it.
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Here's that interview for those interested in listening to it...
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/153476 |