for old times sake henry .. its a fair question

I would like to have a look at the pre-race form and see if someone (other than Jim) might have spotted it as a likely winner
(like me )

Actually very reminiscent of George Gray ....8+ selections in a race and half page adds in the Sportsman spruiking for readers to share in his wisdom for $200 bucks

Most unlikely many will remember George Gray advertisements in the Sportsman.....my money is on that Thebas remembers....

No the 3 place getter guy/gal/spruiker was another...

GG had half page adds listing every race previously couple week and and every winner.....no less than half page ads in the sportsman....so something was working well.....

GG selections literally....8+ selections each race...

Looks like Batman and Robin are circling The Riddler

thank you lex Luther

$1.01 he wont answer you Thebas

VB

I perhaps more than anyone else share your passion for identifying horses fitness levels simply to justify the many decades of watching through binoculars the movement of the horse in a parade ring...and at time I used to video the parade ring and take home to analyse...

However imo days it is a different world ...and Thebas and I brushed on this  subject recently ....that relegates a horses fitness to a less important position...

This subject is :

Interested parties (jocks/trainers/ owners etc) INTENT...

Once upon a time horses (interested parties) raced for the reward of prize money.....this imo is no longer the case...there are others avenues of reward available...( evidence by all the integrity committees etc)

Inherent in your statement "Maybe punting is all just one big numbers game + fitness + the right strategies to return a profit?" is a slow (overdue) but still good you acknowledge...that fitness is no longer the stand alone consideration in trying to get a winning day...


There is certainly nothing new in your statement :

"Numbers + Fitness + Strategies =  $$$$$ and a easier and more profitable punting life"

However even that statement these days is very flawed for reasons I would rave about except I would be seen as raving (perhaps)....

A simple illustration....there is no strategy ...no strategy that will turn any of yours or mine...."fittest in the race horse" that is unplaced...and we both have many of them...there is no strategy that will turn that race into a winning race....

On outward looks ...I thought Charlie Boy looked the fittest....no strategy wrapped around that observation was going to profit me...

I have my contemporary thoughts which I have shared elsewhere....which is about identifying interested parties INTENT

GL VB

and I start doing my victory dance around the lawn , gees if it’s good enough
for Adam Goodes, it’s good enough for this little duck, I sang to myself.



What color duck?

a top result there Jim

I like to look backwards from these results to post-assess the race

horse was first up at Pakenham (I always thought that would be the best scenario for parade ring views especially if at value)

horse was first up over 1400 (usually attempted by trainer if fit enough & well)

in races where most runners are in the middle of campaigns & pretty hard and all within 1% or 2% fitness variance in Jim's eyes ... I like henry's scenario of 'trainer intent'

but with Jim he might have unearthed the most lucrative area for his punting observational skills .. the fresh horse


... now the USA is a completely different kettle of fish of course ... but Jim will work it out no doubt

A FREE harness meeting is coming up soon,

These are great meetings on a barmy summers night.

Really? Bringing Summer forward?

Now that's barmy

where's your compliment for Jim Spoon ... the mentor ...

were all you parade ring guys around oz on the big result at Pakky ... on the first upper filling your boots 

I wasn't present at Pakenham and I don't subscribe to the service.

I'm limited to Saturday's and Sundays (if the venue suits me)

I'm happy for anyone that backs a winner, TB.

I gotta say I've had conflicting views on Jim's service...

all good ... a service is one thing ... some fun here and post race back assessments are another of far more interest/entertainment to me

we all have winners ... and we all have our reasons for being on them ... tis the game we are in 

So it's $50 a meeting????

but soon $6 a meeting??

Mounting yard coverage was so annoying ..when trying to look through overlay prices and reduced screens....IMO a pointless exercise if not all could be considered with equal exposure,,,,,gave it up years ago,,,,

depressing that they can't even plan to video "record" each and every horse pre-race at the time they do the walk around parade in the ring

they could then replay that video as they then talk their nonsense about who ran where at their last start (and even pause the video if they need to jibber on more about where the horse finished at its 2nd last start)

but no .. they try to run the video and chitter chatter nonsense side by side ... and their time management of this jibber is so poorly organised ... that many horse are now galloping off in the distance and you get a brief a rump only shot (or they just give up drop out the last 3 horses altogether from viewing)

poor video control management ... poor time management ... nonsense based chitter chatter makes a worthwhile exercise of "seeing" a horse pre-race go right down the drain ... management are the problem in not pulling up their staff to ensure that what they are "trying to do" actually gets done

but why would CH7 be any better at this ... I do not know to be honest

Actually simple exercise of the US livestreaming much preferred...(would like more close ups but at least horse flesh is followed )

with the USA I found that almost ALL horses had strong fitness levels in what I loosely interpret as Jim's understanding

now if all their horses are "fit" (and remembering that they almost always run their races from the front end and its 'last man standing' by the time the finish line arrives) then other factors must come into play

but yes they do give a better look at the horses in the US as they parade and 'walk' to the gates (unlike Oz where they like to get a 'little' stretch out/gallop under the belt before entering the stalls)

Mork calling Orson, come in Orson