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Doing tests on Live MMS fitness % spread sheets from oncourse to punters mobiles. All interesting, every horses fitness levels on your fone in seconds, 4-6 minutes
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How about a free sample day for betfair forumites ?
http://28point8.com/index.php/live-form |
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Well done VB for getting your web site up and now with visa facilities .....and TINS is doing his bit as marketing manager getting you out there to internet traffic.
Many of us will be curious at the performance of your selections as you appear to be posting on your twitter (again well done Marketing Manager) As an 8-10 hour per day per 5 or so days per week I have many transactions and have a very primitive method of record keeping as I am the only one affected by my results....I hope to change my record keeping soon  In the meantime as your selections are now at a costs to those wanting them ($150.00 per week I think I saw) then I would be interested if you keep formal records of results of "return on investment" ROI over say a week. In the meantime I note the following simple statistics using your top selection from each race from your first meeting recorded namely Mornington 20 May 2015: Race 1 - 3 selections - small field - 1st selected. Race 2 - 4 selections - all unplaced Race 3 - 1 selection - lost (2nd) Race 4 - 5 selections- all lost (one came 2nd) Race 5 - 4 selections - winner- and 1 third Race 6- 1 selection - lost-unplaced Race 7- no selection (you/representative went home) There is little point imo in looking at the next many many selections on the second line of selections... Winning is as about percentages as it is selecting winners and therefore 1 winner from many can achieve a postive return. In this case 17 selections ----for 2 winners 2 seconds and 1 third.....relevant also is the 17 selections were all in 6 races so the percentages of return for each race are imo less than if spread over 17 races. Too busy to look more closely at odds etc ....to determine % 's.....maybe better statisticians than I might have a look But again WD with getting site up and look forward to looking at results if you continue to post ......Hope you get a coffee out of TINS down by the parade ring But to be honest on the face of it 2 winners out of 17 throws in 6 races .....not for me...... Curiously ...15 successful lays out of 17 ...looks more impressive....(dont mean to tyre kick bit as a commercial product raised in this forum opinions based on facts is imo acceptable |
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Contact me, off the Flemington now.
Tough day for punters. The advice is with 1% difference, look at top two ratings IE 96% - 95% rate horses, OR 99%/98% what ever the race is. Mornington was a huge day either 240% profit on turnover, or take $500 and come home with up to $17,000 To stay in the game, you have to hedge your bets or just keep doing what you do now. Will post Flemington results up next 24 hours. Good luck. Jim |
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i'll take the $500 to $17k option myself
in fact .. slip on $500 over the next 4 meetings for me pls Jim ... and i'll split the gross booty with you ... $8,500 each |
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Keep smoking unicorn dung, Henry. It couldn't do you any more harm.
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You might be the man for the job. Soften the terms and conditions with a few selfies, swimsuits and a spellchecker.
Here are our standard terms and conditions, please be aware of (20 and 21)...Jim Terms and Conditions 28.8 MMS/Email Fitness % Spread Sheets (Further updates later) Terms and Conditions 1. 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread Sheets are copy right protected and are not to be published pre-race, what so ever without written permission. All rights reserved. 2. In this draft of terms and conditions both MMS and Emails will be called MMS. 3. 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread Sheets are our assessments of how fit horses are, we do not tip horses; just identify fitness in a percentage to assist betting selections and software data. 4. 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread Sheets are only available on races we attend or fitness via broadcasting. 5. Overseas meetings such as in Singapore and Hong Kong etc. are not included in a day’s racing; extra membership is required, but may include additional races elsewhere. 6. 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread Sheets are a unique assessment of a horses fitness levels but may not be the true fitness of a horse. 7. 28.8 and all associates accepts no liability for any damages or losses what so ever, which are deemed or alleged to have arisen in connection with our content, including without limitation, delays or interruptions in operation or transmission, loss or corruption of data, communications or line failure, any person’s misuse of our information and/or its content or any errors or omissions in content. 8. 28.8 make every effort to provide accurate, timely information to members, however 28.8 and associates, accept no responsibility what so ever for the accuracy or delay of this information and functions. 9. Selective meetings apply but race days may change on short notice IE: Wet days, very hot days, personnel issues or such. 10. If a meeting is cancelled, members will be credited with an extra meeting. 11. Gst is included in prices, though may change. 12. A meeting is said to be a minimum of 4 races completed. 13. Individual races are not available. 14. No refunds are available. 15. You may select your race days, 48 hour notice is required. 16. Without reason, 28.8 hold the exclusive right to cancel any membership. NO correspondence what so ever, will be entered in to? Any unused membership will be refunded. 17. Any member that has a cancelled membership will lose their commissions. NO correspondence is entered into. 18. Gambling is a game of chance and no liabilities will be recognized what so ever for any losses, penalties or hard times as such incurred, towards against 28.8 or any person/s associated with 28.8 and members and associates. 19. You must be eligible to bet in your country to become a member. 20. Pre-race publication of our 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread Sheets © is strictly prohibited without prior written approval, violation will lead to suspension and prosecution. All rights reserved. 21. Any agent who forwards or publishes any pre-race information on horses in the next race, to another party, will be suspended; and will automatically forfeit all claims, what so ever, to any current and future commissions; with existing and new members/clients they refer. No correspondence, what so ever will be entered into. 22. We have to send our 28.8 MMS Fitness % Spread sheets out in time for punters to use/bet before the race; occasionally some horses are late into the mounting yard, so they will not be included in our spread sheets. Use your own betting strategies in this case from horses omitted. You will see which runner/s is missing. 23. By registering you acknowledge that you have read and understand our terms and conditions. 2015-05-10, 04:37am by James Conway FEEDBACK: “So Jim, are you going to be personally on track at the meetings you specify on your website? and others done from mounting yard on t.v. ? Will you ever consider training people on track to one day take over the workload when you retire? ST” Hi ST, yes I will be personally on track and overseas off the tele every now and again. Can't train, took me 27 years and I am weird, and just can't be done in say under 10 years, if then they are good enough and dedicated. I do have a mate who has been getting trained for about 20 years and with a bit of refining, he will get there. C wot happens, he's 10 years younger than me. Nice comment though, thanks Jim  |
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put up your hand Spoon ... you gotta be a chance imo ... tell Jim you'll take the provicials off his hands
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TThebas
put up your hand Spoon ... you gotta be a chance imo .. Are you suggesting Spoon calls 5 in a race and then does the Rocky dance if one of them wins (or 3 in a race of 5 runners and one of them wins) Hmmmm...you are right..he does qualify....well spotted Thebas |
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i'd consider taking Kilcoy & the sunny Coast off Jim's hands
but my concentration span ain't what it used to be i might end up pointing my 'phone app' ... at a human filly's rear end ... and jumble up the read-out for everybody ... too risky i better stand down |
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 I'm not slapping Bambi |
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henry .. many pros (& bookies) (and 'layers') .. assemble more than just one horse in a race ...
gambling ain't for glory .. it's makin $$$ |
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Although I would appreciate a cut and paste of calling 5 ..... or 3 in a five horse race...just to refresh my memory.
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Thebas
and jumble up the read-out for everybody You do realise 2 out of 17 selections across only 6 races (and one of the 2 winners being out of 3 selections in a 5 horse race) is what is required..... Just teasing VB .... (I am just a scardy cat layer ....)GL today.... Take Thebas suggestion....and stick with Spoon |
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Thebas
henry .. many pros (& bookies) (and 'layers') .. assemble more than just one horse in a race ... gambling ain't for glory .. it's makin $$$ Yes of course......hence my comment: Winning is as about percentages as it is selecting winners and therefore 1 winner from many can achieve a postive return. |
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TINS
Although I would appreciate a cut and paste of calling 5 ..... or 3 in a five horse race...just to refresh my memory. Mornington- Selections were 1 3 and 4 Yep just the 5 runners To give balance---there was a profit of approx 18 units for outlay of 82 units so WD |
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Haven't had a bet at Mornington for ages. Keep smokin
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Had the top two slightly top here but I'm not over keen
Quinella for coins |
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Or seen a horse at Mornington
Or been there for years.... Keep smokin |
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Sorry for lmentioning two in that race btw
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WD TINS
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Hi Guys, will look at results from Flemington, 8 races, pretty sure:
If you back top rated, you won. If you backed top two lines, you still won. If you backed quin/extactors top two lines, you won If you had trifectas top two lines you won. If you laid the 40 unfit horses outside the top two range, you won. Real stiff on two big pick 4's with my 4th's runner 5th, would of been about $30k dividends. So far in two days, Mornington and Flemington, 55 horses called unfit have not won, profit 5,500% if you laid. Software punters can load into their system in 10 seconds to adjust their data for a better edge. I do not tip, I explain how fit horses are, there is no form guide study, no fav. jockeys, no fav. trainers, fav. tracks, don't read or listen to media tips, don't go to track work or watch videos, no trials, or subscribe to tips or use speed maps. If you like a horse, see how fit it is. The pros and bookies hedge sometimes 20 - 30 bets per race, and their exotic combinations is in the 100's of bets, that is why they are pros. I can only rate fitness as I see them, if there are 2 horses on 96% so be it, if there are 7 so bet it. It is out of my control. |
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Flemington spread sheets up.
I have to test my software, if you want some free MMS, please contacct me Jim |
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Another winning day (3) at least $5k profit. Pick4's hot $13,300.
At least $15k in 3 days, then you lay profits, 6 of 8 on top rated won. Two nice inclusions, top rated paid $11.25 and $10.10 a place, which opened up huge exotics. Broke enven on lays as one got up, profit 5,500% in 3 days. Creamed one race with low 94% fit fav and ran near least, won terrific overs in other bets, you only need one of them a day, unfit fav and get the rest in. 3 of top 4 ran in Pick 4 of $1075, huge return. FREE MMS to your mobile Saturday. Jim |
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righto thanks James, will look into it
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Results so far in: 4 days racing.
There is a pattern forming with 97% plus horses where 1-2 1-2-3 and sometimes 4 fitter horses are running in the exotics from the top line. You could take 1st line to win with 2nd line, you have to work it out your bets. Select your fittest horse/s you want to back, and these are some options. LAYING UNFIT HORSES; On the bottom one/two lines when we have a minimum of 7 more horses fitter horses to beat your lay. 4 meetings: 73 unfit horses that fit in this formula. Betting $100 to win, only 1 has got up, paying $10.00, liability 900%. Return 7,300% - 900% = 6,400% profit or $6,400 profit. It’s huge, as long as you have 7 horses fitter around your lay bet/s. Strike rate: 98.63% laying unfit horses. Win Bets: Back the horses you like, who are fit, that is why we are here. It is hard to back the top two lines and show a profit, select who you like. Yet yesterday you would of won, with 61 bet’s and returning $71, profit of 15%. Value place bets: I am finding some huge place bets of $9 - $12, (40/1 - 55/1) massive overs on horses in the fitness zone and look for these horses, they are coming up and paying out big time in huge exotics. There is $50,000 in Pick 4’s on fitter horses and $8,000 in Trifectas, but how you bet to show a profit, is another thing. You cannot win betting every race, pick your race/s and see how fit your horses are. At times I call a bad race and look for this, bet or no bet. I hope this helps. |
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Betting $100 to win, only 1 has got up, paying $10.00
It’s huge, as long as you have 7 horses fitter around your lay bet/s. not being smart here Jim ... but i ask again ... how does an unfit horse beat home 7 fit horses (albeit only 1 in the last 4 meetings that you mention) 73 runners is too small a sample yet for mine however ... if an unfit horse can beat 7 other fit horses in a race ... then i guess it can happen again my interest getting away from your punting results is ... WHY can this happen was the unfit horse that won a first upper or was it a young immature horse maybe did the sun shine on its rump the wrong way when your app looked at it ... could there have been operator error but again ... well done with the last 4 meetings that you referenced post meeting ... but over the years my interests have developed as to ... the WHY ... in black swan events (that one in your case being where the unfit horse beat 7 other fit horses and WON the race) |
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how does an unfit horse beat home 7 fit horses
Jims assessments appear to be on observation (not physiological data) ...therefore perhaps more correctly described as "apparently unfit" or "observed to be unfit".....etc my interests have developed as to ... the WHY ... in black swan events Could it be the "C" word < 200mg of course Sorry to interrupt...carry on.... |
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lol Henry ... horses wre mis-racing well before Cob was in vogue
i guess with Jim I'm thinking if an unfit horse can defeat 7 other fit horses in a race ... then it can happen again if there is no reason for the apparent anomaly then there is no way to suspect when the next unfit horse will defeat 7 other fitter horses and win the race to this end Laying would appear the far riskier version of Jim's punting options wheras backing might noew (assuming Jim isn't backing 7 horses in each race) in the old old days a trainer just presented them with a winter coat to defy the eyballs of the 'watchers' can Jim's app glean through a winter coat to find the hidden fitness not clear to the casual observer's eye in the end .. watch out layers is my suggestion with only 73 samples yet run until the bigger picture is witnessed if BJT would say probably 7500 samples is getting close to a reasonable study size ... and at let's say 75 runners each 4 meetings/days ... then in 100 days Jim should be able to provide with more figures to be digested i do not have the attention span to watch this thread for the next 3 months .. but will drop in at the start of the Vic Spring Carnival to see how it's progressing |
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hang on .. lol .. 75 runners over 4 days
then we need 100 x 4 days to reasonably assess Jim's workouts crikey ... i mightn't be back to this thread until the Spring carnival ... of 2016 ... to see how things are going |
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Thebas:
to this end Laying would appear the far riskier version of Jim's punting options You are looking at and drawing casual conclusions in isolation to the one factor that controls all "books" (whether a lay book or win net book)..and that is of course PERCENTAGES (%%) But I know you know that as you too have pointed it out |
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i think you have missed my point completely Henry
if an unfit horse can defeat 7 other fitter horses in the race .. over a small sample size of 73 runners then ... there is no telling when & how often these $10 winners might pop up if you read my comment you will note that i suggest for casual observers 9and until Jim has surveyed a reasonable amount of horses like in maybe 1 year) then backing would seem the less risky way to go but i feel you understand this |
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I rate them as I see them oncourse live.
Yes early days by all means and 7,500 runners will come up pretty quick with a hundred a day rated. So 75 race days, will fly by. Spread sheet results up for Pakenham and Seymour. Roving horse/s on the top line are returning huge extocis, that is if that horse is you tip. Technology about the be released. You have football, cricket, soccer, basketball, all sports scores updated every 30 seconds on Apps. So with live software already being used, why can't an App update my fitness spreadsheets 3-6 minutes before the next race? Should be out 2-3 weeks time, working on first template designed now. Now that is very good news for global punters. |
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5th straight winning day out of 5 at Moonee Vally on Saturday, big day and everybody won.
Results up later from my live MMS mounting yard fitness% spread sheets sent to punters. Next day Wednesday at Bendigo, I think? Jim |
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Punters won a packet.
1 horse rated fittest on top 1st $3 2 horses rated fittest on top 1-2 finish $7 3 horses rated fittest on top 1-2-3 finish Trifecta $92.00 4 horses rated fittest on top 1-2-3-4 finish $225 trifecta, $500 pick 4. Free contact me More later Jim |
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Valuebet
Again congratulations on getting your website up and running and in particular the visa card facilities attached thereto. Of course you hope to capture a global market and great wealth to boot. In the meantime you post some information on this forum which is by inference an invitation to comment. In respect to your most recent post for M.Valley 30 May 2015 there are two outstanding questions that immediately come to mind : 1. Punters won a packet I am not sure of a packet of what. I prefer packets of yellow M and M's . Second favourate is Maltesers.. In respect to the outcomes you have quoted it will be necessary to see ROI/yields and other matters/variables of a percentage nature to determine a "packet" of what the "punters" won. As comments are made after the results (rather than before the outcome) then given the forum nature I can only assume the lowest denominator. Look forward to some more data about the information quoted. 2. rated fittest on top You have quoted up to 4 races satisfying the above. The M. valley card comprised 9 races. It is therefore assumed that 5 out of the 9 races none of the top rated have finished in a position of profit worthy to note.Again by inference there is a negative financial yield connected to these 5 / 9 races. It is these 5 out of 9 races that could have been quite costly reducing any yellow m and m's to jelly babies. Look forward to any raw data you can provide. I am trying to use raw data rather than opinion or bias.... No system or approach is perfect so losses are ok. It is about the big picture of course. GL with global domination |
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Because they broadcast considerable coverage pre rate in the USA, I had time to post a spread sheet in fitness about 4 minutes before the race.
I got the winner on top @ $4 and Betfair held $70k on the race, so that is good news for global punters. Will be more USA fitness spread sheets. Jim |
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I've been watching a few this morning and yes the pre-race lead-out parade of horses is excellent
what race was that you mentioned Jim ... which Trk & race number pls? |
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Jim pls ... I watched all the Presque Isle races this morning ... which race was it as I've kept data
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and the Charles Town and the Louisiana Downs
I missed the Delaware and the Woodbine tho which race and which track pls |