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12 May 15 02:09
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Anyone betting at this place?
They done seem to be answering there phone.

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By:
AdelaidePhil
When: 25 May 15 06:10
Vanuatu based and this morning their website is gone. The alarm bells went off last week when I asked for a withdrawal and it never arrived, turned up back in my betting account with them, then on Saturday they had no fixed odds betting at all. Bye, bye $1600.
By:
henryluca
When: 25 May 15 06:46
Ouch!!..not good to hear.

Noticed a previous post about them...October 2014 by Khan 123
By:
BJT
When: 25 May 15 07:19
Police have raided an offshore bookmaker suspected of owing millions of dollars to some of the country's biggest punters and who has links to Melbourne gangland figures Mick Gatto and Tony Mokbel.

Properties connected to Vanuatu-based bookmaker Betjack were raided on the Gold Coast on May 7, but the company has continued to offer odds at race meetings across Australia.

Queensland detectives swooped on three betting companies, but have laid charges only in relation to one bookmaker, who allegedly defrauded about $450,000 from 19 victims in Queensland, NSW and the Northern Territory.

The raids targeted "boiler room" schemes – companies that exist for only a short period of time before being dismantled and re-established under different names. It is not believed the companies were linked.

Computers and financial records were seized from Betjack, which has been the subject of dozens of complaints from punters across Australia. The company operates a Gold Coast call centre.

It is believed police are investigating whether an associate of  jailed drug lord Mokbel, Jack Doumani, had taken over the business from Ben Joyner, a convicted criminal.

Mokbel, Mr Gatto and John Khoury, his long-time business partner, are believed to have taken over the company and made Mr Doumani manager.

Mr Gatto denied to Fairfax Media that he was involved in Betjack, but said he knew that Mr Doumani operated the business. He would not comment on whether he had spoken to Mr Doumani since the raid.

Mr Gatto was also reportedly investigated over links to Betjack in 2013.

"Keep me out of it," he said.

In 2008, Mr Doumani was banned from holding a Victorian liquor licence for 15 years over his involvement with the Red Lion Hotel in Kilmore, a venue owned by Mokbel's estranged wife, Carmel.

In 1999, he was co-owner of a $100,000 racehorse, Danislew, originally bought for Mokbel.

Mr Joyner has previously been investigated over boasts he had information about the infamous 2013 All Aged Stakes, the Sydney race that led to a NSW stewards inquiry and a highly publicised spat between trainer Gai Waterhouse and John Singleton, owner of More Joyous.

More Joyous had been the favourite but lost under an injury cloud. It was alleged some punters were informed of this before the race who subsequently won big money backing others to win.

Mr Joyner has also reportedly claimed to have leaked information from jockeys about upcoming races to punters, who went on to win hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Racing authorities across south-east Asia have been deeply concerned about the existence of offshore betting companies, as they do not pay tax and cannot be reprimanded by the host industry.

Professional punters who were lured into gambling with Betjack believe now it was nothing more than a rogue gambling outfit with deep criminal undercurrents.

One punter told Fairfax Media that he was owed $700,000 and knew of another million dollars in gambling debts that Betjack owes.

"They were a frightening outfit. The moment you owed them, there would be a thug that would kick your door in and I'm just talking 24 hours after the money was lost.

"But in my case, I was owed $700,000 and was told: 'If you don't want your head blown off, keep your mouth shut'.

"They revelled in intimidation and were known Australian-wide as a con operation that would cold-call punters to put money into their account and that's the last you would see of it.

"In Sydney, I'm told that a winning punter was threatened with severe injuries if he told the police what was happening inside the Betjack operation."

Fairfax Media reported in September that Racing Victoria had started an investigation into Betjack, which had been accused of fleecing punters across the state.

Racing Victoria chief executive Bernard Saundry said this week that the organisation had received complaints about Betjack that had been referred to the Victorian Commission for Gambling and Liquor Regulation.

The company had refused demands to comply with Racing Victoria's race fields policy, it has been alleged.

"Punters electing to bet with unapproved offshore bookmakers are not only transacting with a business which is undermining the racing industry by paying no race-field fees, but they may risk doing their money cold," Mr Saundry said.

Punters are lured to Betjack through cold-calling and the offer of up to $5000 in free bets – which is illegal in Victoria.

However, winners complained that withdrawing their winnings was slow or sometimes impossible.

It is believed punters at a Melbourne golf club were owed up to $150,000, which they have been trying to recover without success.

Another punter allegedly lodged $50,000 in his Betjack account, which after a winning streak swelled to $250,000. Unable to withdraw the whole amount, he was eventually paid back his original $50,000 and told never to bet with Betjack again.

It is also speculated that companies such as Betjack cannot be charged for not paying the winnings of gamblers because it is thought unlikely those bets were ever placed. For example, a punter who wagers $100 on a 2/1 bet and wins, but cannot get their $200 winnings or $100 original stake from the offshore bookie, is considered to have been defrauded only $100 – not $300.

Detective Superintendent Brian Hay, from the Queensland police fraud and cyber crime group, said the man charged after the raids had allegedly operated the gaming website from January 2008 to April 2012.

John Robert Hanneman, a 54-year-old from the Gold Coast suburb of Southport, is facing fraud charges and will face court in June.

In 2012, it was reported that NSW police suspected that International Sports Online, or other betting websites linked to Mr Hanneman, had netted up to $4 million.

Detective Superintendent Hay said punters were allegedly invited to enter a contract with the websites, which promised them high returns. The victims allegedly transferred money into a bank account, and the company claimed the funds would be used to bet on national and international sporting events.

"After contact from telemarketers, the complainants were then contacted by sales staff who often worked quite aggressively to encourage further investment and suggested they invest in very tight timeframes or risk missing out," Detective Superintendent Hay said.

"Investments were allegedly never made and when victims tried to retrieve money, the accounts were wiped.

"Phone calls were left unanswered and companies disappeared."

Mr Hanneman is reported as having said in 2012 that he had not been operating the websites.

"I'm telling you mate, I've been stitched up big time," he said. "I do marketing for these people. That's as far as I go."

With Kristian Silva
By:
AdelaidePhil
When: 25 May 15 08:42
I got burnt for $4500 over a decade ago when Luvbet, a Malta licensed bookmaker went under. I've always been careful with the shonky outfits since then only leaving small amounts in my accounts, but Saturday week I got a few winners and the account jumped from $300 to $1600, so it seems just bad timing. It could have been worse I guess.
By:
eight ball
When: 25 May 15 09:51
With due respect to Adel Phil

I have never been able to Fathom anyone's desire to put money into any mob based in Vanuatu.
Even more so when they Offer free money, I guess it's the gullibility of 'dangle the carrot'
And please don't even start telling me about this or that mob's prices are 10%-20% better than this or that.

It's better you put money into a new account i will open and I will send locations of several untapped Gold Mines based in Oz.
As a bonus i will throw in Spade and Pan but you provide the horse to load up it's saddlebags with gold gold gold.
By:
Abercrombie
When: 25 May 15 12:21
hang on just need some clarification, are The Betting Shop and BackJack the same?
By:
AdelaidePhil
When: 27 May 15 03:36
Hey I agree with you eight ball. I knew I was gambling with my funds with this lot and ended up losing. I was playing as safe as I could with them trying to leave minimal amounts in my account, betting quite low amounts compared to the legit bookies and I did get my first withdrawal out with them so in the end finished a little above square. That's life! Pity the ones that lost out on hundreds of thousands with this lot though.... now that is crazy!
By:
eight ball
When: 27 May 15 03:42
Agree phil but for every one that closes another boiler room will open up.
They all live on the time honored creed
A SUCKER BORN EVERYDAY !
By:
Lets Elope
When: 27 May 15 04:47
the old adage indeed rings true a fool and his money are soon parted, they kept trying to contact me I simply said to them mate when I put money into a betting account I actually expect to be and like to get paid when I win, goodbye.
By:
Charkitz
When: 27 May 15 10:55
I've deposited/withdrawn plenty of money with Puntingpal. No problems there
By:
eight ball
When: 28 May 15 06:11
I've deposited/withdrawn plenty of money with Puntingpal. No problems there

As Roy use to say Thinly Veiled I'm in thick with JD and co.
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 29 May 15 00:13
Do any of you invetigate these corporates guarantees with Racing NSW and/or Bookmakers Co-op etc??

A fool and his money indeed, rocks in ya head
By:
henryluca
When: 29 May 15 00:18
Chark

I've deposited/withdrawn plenty of money with Puntingpal. No problems there

There never is a problem until it happens....

Happy
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 29 May 15 00:26
you have zero comeback when theres a prob....why wouldn't you bet with an on-course bookie or registered corp??
By:
Charkitz
When: 29 May 15 09:14
Puntingpal offer in-play betting online, that's the main drawcard

As for Oz corps... if I want to bet on Carlton to beat Swans I'll be lucky to get 5 bucks on with them
By:
henryluca
When: 29 May 15 09:57
Raises an interesting thought..when funds are deposited to these unregulated Vanuatu based organisations....into which account are the funds held;;;

I can only assume the money is deposited to their own "business" account held at a vanuatu bank  ....and not some sort of "trust account" and so despite what is shown as an "account balance" is a bit of a misnomer cause unlike being held in a trust style account it is in their (its) account.

Like stated I only assume the above...but if true makes it more scarier...Shocked
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 29 May 15 10:03
Charkiz

I got $135 @ 100-1 Over 15.5 Carlton
After put Bet on Was offered Cash Back on $295
Left Bet on as its a Free Bet.

Anything can happen but i doubt it
By:
Charkitz
When: 29 May 15 11:22
I'm surprised you managed to get a bet of that size on Confused
By:
eight ball
When: 29 May 15 12:46
Well Lloydy was backing his Blues. . there are some bets you just gotta take on.
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 29 May 15 12:48
Free Bet 100-1 Won $1000 tonight on Trots so Good night.
By:
eight ball
When: 29 May 15 12:54
and they offered you a profit on the cash back..anytime you can make money from the blues in 2015 it's gotta be a bonus.

I see the Melton quad paid $70 odd suppose it was easy to take for $20 ?
By:
Charkitz
When: 29 May 15 12:55
That's my point eight ball. If I tried to put 50 bucks on Carlton to beat Swans tonight with any Oz corp they woulda rejected it. Where's the sense in that?

Can't blame people for signing up with off shore books to place bets, atleast they'll let you get on for more than peanuts
By:
Charkitz
When: 29 May 15 12:56
The way the corps are regulated in Oz, it only encourages people to bet offshore
By:
eight ball
When: 29 May 15 12:59
Chark
I get your point but unless they speak different lingo you have to ? any Corp rejecting a Carlton bet(in light of the obvious)
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 29 May 15 14:18
Eightball,

Can you see my account?
I got Quad $20
Took 1st 3 legs 1 out and 2 in the last
Did take a larger one for $50 and missed that one.
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 29 May 15 22:48
Charkitz what are you on about why wouldn't they bet you on Carlton, you can get on with me to win 5k on any sports bet
PM me and yes I am licensed
By:
Charkitz
When: 30 May 15 08:11
Not sure if you're taking the piss but my bets get automatically rejected, doesn't matter what team I back. Every single one of the Oz corps wouldn't let me have 10 bucks on Carlton to win even if I wanted. Just the way they operate. It's the same for most people I suspect. I asked them why a few times and they fire back with the 'your account is making 15% ROI, it's a decision by our risk management team that your account is unstainable'. Or something like that. I just assume most accounts are restricted like this?

Even TAB are restricting winners now

Richmond v Essendon, hard to call right? At Oz corps... Can I have 20 bucks on Richmond? Nope. Can I have 20 bucks on Essendon? Nope. Atleast Puntingpal will let me on
By:
Charkitz
When: 30 May 15 08:12
I try not to have more than 5k sitting with Puntingpal at any one time for obvious reasons, but so far had no problems whatsoever. Had an account with them for nearly 2 years now
By:
henryluca
When: 30 May 15 08:35
but my bets get automatically rejected

This has been previously covered on the forum. These large aussie regulated organisations have sophisticated software that tracks gambler activities ..win /lose

It is wrong interpretation to suggest gambler wins too often and has bets rejected.

These large bookmakers are under a responsibility  to reject bets from those gamblers that have a pattern of losing and who upon the corporates request refuse to supply financials to show they can afford to keep losing...

It is akin to banks having to be satisfied that a borrower can afford a loan...

It is consumer protection aimed at protecting the consumer which in this case is the gambler....

Most likely offshore gambling houses do not have this responsibility....

(cant find previous post information but there somewhere)

Just sayin!

You might recall gambler who took legal action against Crown casino for allowing him to keep losing....


Just sayin!!Whoops
By:
Charkitz
When: 30 May 15 10:36
Corps protecting the gambler... lol

More like... identify a losing ('mug') punter... encourage him to bet by offering credit and bonus bets... repeat as necessary... if mug punter shows any sign of gaining a clue, ban him, or at the very least restrict heavily... continue this cycle until mug punter money dries up, then **** off back to England
By:
BJT
When: 30 May 15 10:50
Exactly.  People that want to bet are forced to take a risk on offshore books because they can't get on in Aus.  A lot of times it is a case of who cuts and runs first.  So far, I have been too quick off the mark.  Will get caught at some point, but very few options really.  All part of the gamble.
By:
logroller
When: 03 Jun 15 01:58
Do you know that none of the NT bookies, Norfolk bookies, WA bookies, ACT BOOKIES, have no guarantee against default of payment to punters, and that owed punters have no recourse to claim their deposits if they go broke.
Just do your homework before opening new accounts, thats all.
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