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Lloydy Trots Man
10 Mar 13 13:34
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http://media.harness.org.au/vic/MLC12021303.wmv
If this Link doest work watch Mildura
Is this worth 6 months or Life?
Watch after the Line.
I thought Cramp was a good bloke but this is truly Unsportsmanlike and been kept very quiet/
There is no way his Horse Hung in after Line.
Imagine if he chopped the leg of the other horse.
Both Horses went Huge.
Just because you are having a good run and one doesnt go your way you cant do that. i dont care what any one says. Its Honestly one of the worst things i have seen in racing.
No 1 Is Oliver Betting on another Horse in Same race. he should of got LIFE.

Also on he Camp
http://media.harness.org.au/vic/RPC07031306.wmv
Mildura Race 2 (7th March) on a 1.30 Shot stays on Fence had 3 times to get off the fence and on Home Turn elected to stay on Fence.
I have now Bared myself from any betting on Mildura.
Im surprised this has been kept Hush Hush.

Lloydy
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Report Aussie Driver March 10, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
I said about 12 months ago on here, as well as elsewhere, that he is the biggest cheat in the sport. We don't need corrupt little worms like him around
Report spyvspy27 March 10, 2013 1:08 PM GMT
You bet on the trots yet you say Oliver betting on another runner is the worst thing you have seen in racing, are you for real?

Thats worse than Cramp pulling up the 1.30 shot? Please
Report mickeyh March 11, 2013 1:17 AM GMT
Clearly a low dog. Did he get time for the March 7 snag job?

Thankfully I decided a while back that Mildura wagering was a quick way to the poor house unless you're 'in the know' as to how the race is going to turn out.
Report tyre kicker March 11, 2013 1:35 AM GMT
Lloydy haven't you read the HRV Charter :

Our mission

“to develop a vibrant Harness Racing industry that promotes participation, integrity and racing excellence, grows wagering and other revenue streams and maximises returns to its stakeholders.”

How many boxes does Mildura trots tick off on the above

CEO says integrity is always at the top of their priorities

They all think their doing a great job !
Report trotman March 11, 2013 7:16 AM GMT
He got 4 weeks - ONLY.

Extraordinary.
Report mickeyh March 11, 2013 8:09 AM GMT
4 weeks!!!

That's outrageous. Clearly they found him guilty of a snag job and thought that 4 weeks off was about the right penalty / deterrent.

The lunatics are running the asylum.
Report juzzybee. March 11, 2013 9:17 AM GMT
cramp is being represented by one of victoria's top QC's, as opposed to hrv's legal aid.

good luck hrv
Report tyre kicker March 11, 2013 10:41 AM GMT
Sounds like The Castle .....so HRV have got Denis Denuto!!
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 11, 2013 10:52 AM GMT
Nigle Milne is lucky to not be in Hospital for that Snag try run him off the track after the line.
I need Sam Newman to Interview Shane Cramp. He is the only one that would come out and ask the Truthful Questions. Not Dance around them. Straight to the point
He would ask the following 2 Questions.
Dig you try and knock that Horse over after the race because the driver hunted up to keep the Death seat and you never liked it?
Did you drive your Horse Cold so the the horse that was heavily backed could win and your horse that was 1.30 you gave it no Possible hope to Win?

Put yourself in Nigel Milnes Parents position if he had of been knocked down or even Owner of the Horse.
6 Months is not enough and should not be on a Stay of proceedings. Out and out Rort and could of Killed a Horse and Somebody or am i just Blind and had to many Vodkas

Yes a Jockey betting on another horse is shocking and SHOULD of got life
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 11, 2013 10:57 AM GMT
Chipinawayatlife underwent a pre-race veterinary examination after having not raced for 12 months. This horse was subsequently cleared to start.
Stewards refrained from taking action against Nathan Jack ( Chipinawayatlife ), driver of the leader, for failing to comply with the sectional time requirements due to the sectional time indicator boards failing to operate.
Shes A Killer galloped soon after the start and was subsequently placed outside the mobile barrier draw.
It was noted racing around the first turn that Shes A Killer and Northerly Rain locked wheels for some distance and as a consequence Shes A Killer was checked while Northerly Rain was checked and galloped. Due to the circumstances no further action was taken.
Nathan Jack ( Chipinawayatlife) was queried in relation to the improved performance of this horse by comparison to its first start 12 months prior. Mr Jack stated that Chipinawayatlife had bowed a tendon during its last preparation and it had three trials of recent times and although the times recorded in those trials were moderate the stable has a high opinion of the horse’s capability and were very confident that Chipinawayatlife could race in a very forward position as it possesses significant gate speed or alternatively lead and be more than competitive in tonight’s field due to the current form and class of some of the runners. Mr Jack’s comments were noted.
Shayne Cramp (Hotasel) was found guilty of a charge under AR149(1) for failing to take all reasonable and permissible measures on his drive to ensure that his horse was given full opportunity to win or obtain the best possible placing in the field in that after trailing the leader throughout Mr Cramp elected to remain on the marker pegs and trail Chipinawayatlife when there was a reasonable and permissible opportunity to ease Shes A Killer wide leaving the back straight and approaching the home turn on the final occasion and also rounding the home turn on the final occasion there was an opportunity to restrain slightly back away from the inside sulky wheel of Misschinoise which was racing to his immediate outside and switch wider to improve around that horse. As a consequence of his failure to move wider stewards were satisfied Hotasel went to the line without being fully tested. The licence to drive in races of Mr Cramp was suspended for 4 weeks to commence midnight 14 March 2013. In assessing penalty stewards took into account the usual penalties that apply for breaches of this rule, Mr Cramp has been driving for 13 years and not breached AR149(1) previously, stewards also took into account the experience of Mr Cramp and the affects that a driving suspension would have on him.
Stewards intend to investigate all betting activity surrounding this race.
Report tyre kicker March 11, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
All comes back to the men at the top at HRV.  "A fish rots from the head first"
Report eight ball March 11, 2013 11:57 AM GMT
Tend to agree tyre kick
Also think that Stewards are looking to 'Self Preservation',maybe they try to enforce to a point but are always looking over the shoulder,e.g.less confrontation means I'm not upsetting the Back-Hand Cesspool that co exists in all codes known as Racing/Harness/Greyhound.
Doubt the betting activity will shed any light as you well know Lloydy every race who's gonna lead who's gonna hand up blah blah blah, taking $1.20 in most 4 legged events is short cut to the soup queue but in Harness people take it knowing this or that will take the front and that spells end of race.
Remember of the 3 codes Harness is the only code that a Hobbyist can be a competitor, regardless of skills or weight!.

Which give rise to a ? has any research ever been taken to see the difference of weight carried between lets say an average sized female(45kgs) and an overweight(upwards of 95kgs)male Hobbyist/Trainer/Driver over say the 1600 sprint ?
Guess only the horse can know.
Report spyvspy27 March 11, 2013 12:14 PM GMT
There has been plenty of research done cueball

http://www.rjwalsh.com.au/i_weight&balance.htm
Report eight ball March 11, 2013 12:26 PM GMT
Interesting stuff spy(are you the black or white one?)
So i guess if the Hobbyists were no more fields would be 5 max ?
Report spyvspy27 March 11, 2013 12:33 PM GMT
The PC brigade might think that question has racist overtones, but I don't Laugh I still refuse to answer as it may incriminate me Laugh
Report Back High Lay Low March 12, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
Think he was slightly displeased about not being let in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLkJS_gSSSc
Report Solvalla March 13, 2013 9:55 AM GMT
Be interesting to check the betting accounts of some of his owners.
Report tyre kicker March 13, 2013 10:17 AM GMT
Hutchy not happy with his performance last week :-

HOTASEL (6) is a handy youngster who’s won two of four this season with two placings and hopefully will be driven a more aggressive race than last week when Shayne Cramp was suspended for electing to take an inside run that didn’t appear instead of coming wide at the 300.
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 13, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
Thank you Hutchy,
Please Become a Steward and stop this Rorting
Report jay peterman March 13, 2013 10:17 PM GMT
Lloydy check your messages
Report trotman March 14, 2013 8:05 AM GMT
Can they revisit that 4 week decision after that power packed performance from Hotasel tonite ?????????????
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 14, 2013 1:43 PM GMT
Perfectly named Horse.

Strange how wasnt Kept on Fence tonight.
Had every Chance to Go 3 Pegs Last Lap
Even tried to Get Boxed in but a Horse Galloped.
Pulls Out 7 Wide tonight.
Must be a enquiry why never stayed on Fence
Report trotman March 14, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
Do they post Change Of Tactics details at Mildura ????????    :-)


Last week = not strong enough to peel three wide at 150m

This week = good enough to hook six wide 350m out !!!


Pity that Jnr used post ID victory interview to shout out his support for this trickster :-(
Report spyvspy27 March 14, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
Could it be birds of a feather Mr Trotman?
Report trotman March 15, 2013 12:28 AM GMT
Spyman,

I have learnt not to make suggestions about the character of these guys that I do not know personally.

Rather, my comments are in relation to their actions, which in this instance are unfortunate for trots in my opinion.

Sadly - so many are hellbent on beating the rules, instead of simply focussing on beating their opposition.

Anyhow .. they're on again today, and tomorrow etc
Report spyvspy27 March 15, 2013 1:02 AM GMT
Comment was made re ones actions and the support of by another, when 1 supports a trickster as you call it, I think comment close to the money. A lot of the actions they get up to, they couldn't if they weren't working in concert with SOME officials, and that goes for all 3 codes
Report Barney The Bot Slayer March 15, 2013 9:03 AM GMT
tURNED HIS HEAD , LOOKED AT DRIVER AND PULLED LEFT REIN

6 months was a light cop IMHO
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HOTASHELL, was bit rude
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
some facts you people seem to be overlooking

March 7
Hotesel clearly crossed at start, this horse did gallop out as a 2yo and was put ODM.
No semaphore board working all night so driver in front knew he could go as slow as he wanted and not get fined.
Lead time 12.2 1/4s in 33.0, 31.3, 30.8 and last 1/4 27.9

March 14
Leader from March 7 is drawn 1 so Hotesel goes back at start. N Milne bbqs leader, drops out, sets race up for swoopers.
Lead time 12.1 1/4s in 29.5, 30.9, 29.5 and 30.2


Now if cramp goes 3 wide on March 7 do you honestly think he could run down leader in a sub 28 second 1/4 around Mildura?
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
some facts you people seem to be overlooking

March 7
Hotesel clearly crossed at start, this horse did gallop out as a 2yo and was put ODM.
No semaphore board working all night so driver in front knew he could go as slow as he wanted and not get fined.
Lead time 12.2 1/4s in 33.0, 31.3, 30.8 and last 1/4 27.9

March 14
Leader from March 7 is drawn 1 so Hotesel goes back at start. N Milne bbqs leader, drops out, sets race up for swoopers.
Lead time 12.1 1/4s in 29.5, 30.9, 29.5 and 30.2


Now if cramp goes 3 wide on March 7 do you honestly think he could run down leader in a sub 28 second 1/4 around Mildura?
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
some facts you people seem to be overlooking

March 7
Hotesel clearly crossed at start, this horse did gallop out as a 2yo and was put ODM.
No semaphore board working all night so driver in front knew he could go as slow as he wanted and not get fined.
Lead time 12.2 1/4s in 33.0, 31.3, 30.8 and last 1/4 27.9

March 14
Leader from March 7 is drawn 1 so Hotesel goes back at start. N Milne bbqs leader, drops out, sets race up for swoopers.
Lead time 12.1 1/4s in 29.5, 30.9, 29.5 and 30.2


Now if cramp goes 3 wide on March 7 do you honestly think he could run down leader in a sub 28 second 1/4 around Mildura?
Report Joel March 16, 2013 2:59 AM GMT
SunshineConfused
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
Shows how little you know about harness racing Aussie
N Jack in front, Cramp would have had to pull back to get back behind the death horse. N Jack would have pi**ed off as soon as he seen that happen and Hotesel would have had to run a sub 27 1/4 which I highly doubt it could do. Would have ran 3rd .

The price of some of his horses isnt right as he is leading the Vic trainers premiership and for alot of punters it is easier to put multiple all ups on his runners then do any form.
Report Aussie Driver March 16, 2013 3:24 AM GMT
lol I have forgotten more than you know, clearly.

He did not have to give away much ground at all to get deep, and leader at the time was not able to boot right away from the breeze horse. He gets clear no more than a length and change from the inside runner and gets his chance. You might be interested to now the times at Mildura have been faster over the summer, those of us who accurately do our form know that. If you think he was best served by staying on the fence where it was clear to anyone who studies the sport he was not ever getting a look at the leader you are beyond help.

I still question the motive for defence of this grub
Report uncleee March 16, 2013 3:30 AM GMT
n jack was on the leader? says it all really doesnt it
Report Aussie Driver March 16, 2013 3:34 AM GMT
Exactly Uncleee
Report uncleee March 16, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
Hasn't Greg got positive swabs before? Weren't both investigated for blue magic? Multiple driving offences for both of them, with the latest one of the worst displays I've seen... Correct me if this is incorrect bayonet

I can't understand why any owner would leave a horse with them after this latest offence
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
How does Greg get brought into this Uncle? Isnt this regarding S Cramps driving now your asking about G Cramp training record.

1st question, correct, bi carb but how many trainers have had a positive to bi carb?
2nd question, not sure but i doubt if Shayne was, again how many trainers got investigated regarding this?
3rd question? are you asking re Milne incident or Hotesel?
Report uncleee March 16, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
Wow, bicarbing not a big deal?
Report Barney The Bot Slayer March 16, 2013 8:22 AM GMT
I don't watch VIC trots, however I will throw my 2 bobs worth in regarding 2 replays Lloydy mentioned

If I had backed a horse at 100/1 that was travelling as well as HOTASEL was at the 300, i would have been at the fence abusing the Mug Driver for not pulling 3wide at the corner

The race where he tried to knock the driver of the winner out of the cart after the winning post was very very lightly treated IMHO
6 months was very light indeed for what could have been a very serious incident

That is the end of the matter, no correspondance will be entered into
Report Aussie Driver March 16, 2013 8:58 AM GMT
Bayonet you are clearly involved with the stable and attempting to defend the indefensable. Either that, or you simply have no idea.

Bicarb/Blue Magic - its ok is it because others were also investigated? Blatant cheating with his drive on Hotasel is ok? Putting another driver at serious risk is ok is it?

Give it up - the guy is a diseased grub and there comes a time when QC's can't help someone like that. Has a roll call as long as anyones
Report gardenstar March 16, 2013 9:00 AM GMT
G Cramp trained a horse called Bayonet in the 90's
Report Back High Lay Low March 16, 2013 9:05 AM GMT
Someone's stolen my posts Whoops
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 10:14 AM GMT
aussie,
one of my posts has been deleted but have you found a winner at Mildura of a CO that ran sub 28 and didnt lead?
Report Aussie Driver March 16, 2013 10:26 AM GMT
Obviously I am not going through the database to find such things, but only those with a connection to the stable such as yourself think coming three wide was a bad idea. Every other harness person holds a differing view.

I hope you are happy supporting someone who has been involved in such things
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
Cos you wouldnt find one
Report Bayonet March 16, 2013 11:01 AM GMT
Cos you wouldnt find one
Report spyvspy27 March 16, 2013 11:23 AM GMT
Barney The Bot Slayer • March 16, 2013 8:22 AM GMT
I don't watch VIC trots, however I will throw my 2 bobs worth in regarding 2 replays Lloydy mentioned

If I had backed a horse at 100/1 that was travelling as well as HOTASEL was at the 300, i would have been at the fence abusing the Mug Driver for not pulling 3wide at the corner

Bayonet, Barney says it all, and he's talking about a 100/1 pop not a 1.50 pop.

Now you say he couldn't go 3 wide and win with the time the winner ran the last qtr, well he ran about the same last qtr as the winner and was never let go, the horse never spent a penny in the run, ie due to slow pace, but you say he didn't have 1.5l to give, yet he ran sub 28 qtr without being let go.

No one is saying the horse would definitely have won, but i'm sure backers would've like the chance to see if it could've won
Report trotman March 17, 2013 2:13 AM GMT
Guys - I think Bayo makes a good point on the times - but also so does Spyman with his suggestion that hooking wider to get clear running was the right move, irrespective of whether he could catch the winner. It did appear that the horse went to the line "untested" as the Stewards like to say.

I appreciate the sectionals contribution of Bayo here as it does improve the perspective somewhat. I dont bet there, so hadn't looked into that much detail.  Sadly, most others dont either, leaving the unfortunate impression that the driver made a non-competitive choice on this occasion.
Report Bayonet March 17, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
Thank you Trotman

Now taxi driver you would go the videos.

Last week raCE 4 C4/C6 not a C0 MILDURA last 2 1/4s 30.8    28.0  does that ring a bell?

Dick nose pulls off the fence at the 400? Oops hes loosing ground and lost his position.

But luckily dick nose pulls but to the fence but it still costs him 2nd.

And alot of punters the moral quinella.
Report uncleee March 17, 2013 9:41 PM GMT
Bayonet the trick to watching videos is to watch the horse, not random other races... Hotasel is clearly a better horse than c0 company

I love the call at the start, 'the big firmer on the tote'
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 18, 2013 11:21 AM GMT
After watching those 2 Videos i posted ill never bet again at Mildura.
He had 3 times to get off the fence and elected to stay on fence on not a 1.50 shot a 1.30 shot who came out the next week and **** in.

Yes Milne Posted Cramp wide a Race before and another race but cutting him off after the race is unforgivable in my book.
Imaging if that was a Horse like Smolda and had his legs crossed and came crashing down. Both Driver and horse could of been killed.

I liked Shane Cramp till then
Report Aussie Driver March 18, 2013 9:29 PM GMT
Makes me laugh how someone on here is pretending to be some sort of form analyst when he is only trying to cover up the rorts of the stable he is involved with. Interesting how not one person who is impartial shares that view.

Seems the whole lot are in cover up mode at present
Report eight ball March 19, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
Lloydy's thread majored around the Cramp incident at the finish and the eminent danger to horse&human.

The 'rort' drive was secondary(but no less important).

Gotta applaud Milne.
You race your 'camels'at a track that gets dominated by one stable,your not a complete nutter hobbyist so your actually out to compete.
The guys said, sitting back here race after race isn't getting me anywhere I can no longer be dictated to, so he becomes pro active.
Now the Leading stable's driver does his usual thing but encounters resistance and says what the fcks going on here, gets jacked off as its already happened earlier and decides to vent his frustration.

Pork pie hats could have asked Cramp the question, is it given that other drivers have to hand up ?

So for mine(20 cents worth)it was good to see a driver take initiative.
The interesting thing will be how the 'Schoolyard bully' reacts from here on in,think the best action will happen in the stabling areas of Mildura.
Report jay peterman March 19, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
Lloydy check your messages for SC details
Report Bayonet March 19, 2013 7:44 AM GMT
Eight ball,

I applaud Milne as well, going to Mildura each week when he has no chance and is only warming the seat for the return of Douglas.
Report Solvalla March 19, 2013 12:53 PM GMT
Does Gareth Hall ever give himself CRAMP for his constant rubbing one out as he does over Shayne or his mate from WA who floats across from the West in a hot air balloon because his ego won't fit through the aircraft door?

At least cramp has a cheer squad outside the homeless bloke who lives behind the Mildura grandstand.
Report trotman March 20, 2013 5:41 AM GMT
Stewards Report from 14/03/13

Driver Shane Cramp (Hotasel) was found guilty of a charge under rule 163(1)(a) for causing interference. Leaving the back straight on the final occasion, Mr Cramp directed Hotasel wider on the track when not sufficiently clear of Shes A Killer (Ryan Hryhorec), resulting in sulky contact being made to the legs of Shes A Killer, which checked and broke as a result. Mr Cramp’s license to drive in races was suspended for a period of 2 weeks. In assessing penalty the panel took into account that Mr Cramp pleaded not guilty to the charge, his very good driving record in relation to interference over a number of years and the interference suffered which was considered to be at the higher end of the scale. The suspension was deemed to commence at the completion of a 4 week suspension handed down by stewards at the Mildura meeting on the 07 th of March 2013.


Mr C must have read Lloydy's driving instructions on this very forum ?!?!?

Hard done by I say ... he stays in one week - gets 4 weeks.
He pushes out the next week - gets 2 weeks.

What is it they actually want him to do ?!?!?
Report Aussie Driver March 20, 2013 7:48 AM GMT
Was likely a square up for the fact he should have got 12 months for the March 7 drive.

Aggregate result, he was granted a miracle
Report Lloydy Trots Man March 26, 2013 10:05 AM GMT
Must of had Instructions to Pull Out as this thing can go.
Your Honer i made a Mistake lst start staying on the fence on a Horse that was 20mt better than the Field so please only give me 4 week as we made enough to pay for feed for a year.
Report Aussie Driver March 26, 2013 10:13 AM GMT
Disgraceful, anyone defending him is obviously in on the rort

Note C1's went sub 58 half and sub 28 quarter again tonight
Report bigted. March 26, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
Lot of haters in the red hots aye..
Report trotman March 26, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
Cmon Lloydy - you think that anyone pulling a swifty [no allegation implied here] would be spending the proceeds on FEED ? :-)
Report Bayonet March 27, 2013 8:39 AM GMT
Well done Aussie on noticing the C1 times.

And guess what the leader won again.
Report PardonThePun April 10, 2013 10:22 AM BST
I see Cramp is back driving Mildura cup night, gee that was a quick 7 months
Report gardenstar April 11, 2013 6:49 AM BST
The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) have granted a stay to Mr Shayne Cramp with regard to the recent periods of suspension imposed upon Mr Cramp’s driving licence by the Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board .
Report Aussie Driver April 11, 2013 11:05 AM BST
lol what a complete cheat

and guess who was his partner in crime again, N Jack!! AMAZING

Were you in on this one Bayonet or was the Jack/Cramp fraud just another 'coincidence'?
Report gardenstar April 11, 2013 11:12 AM BST
Embarrassing....he continues to send the sport further down the gurglar
Report Aussie Driver April 11, 2013 11:19 AM BST
As I have said before, anyone who defends him is a fraudster themselves.

What just happened then was beyond even his normal cheating standards.

Jack continues to prove what a grub he is as well. He is invariably the 'other party'
Report Wat Smol April 11, 2013 12:08 PM BST
Hotter than Hotasel!!
Report Aussie Driver April 11, 2013 12:54 PM BST
I wonder if there will be some sort of sectional that someone quote to defend the decision this time.

This grub needs all the QC's his fraudelently earned money can afford.

You are right Wat Smol, that was worse than Hotasel
Report Wat Smol April 12, 2013 10:27 AM BST
No stewards report posted yet, but i have been told that Nathan got 6 weeks.
Report Aussie Driver April 12, 2013 10:39 AM BST
Deafening silence from Bayonet after having a lot to say last time.

Maybe he now realises his mate is a BONA FIDE CHEAT
Report Bayonet April 12, 2013 5:50 PM BST
Taxi driver,
remember taxi I asked you to find a video of a horse coming from behind in a CO in a race at Mildura Mildura and winning?
DEAFENING SILENCE
aND THEN ON ANOTHER POST YOU SAY ITS DISAPOINTING THERE IS ONLY 7 RACES AT MILDURA ON OPENING NIGHT

Have a think?
Its TIP RATS like you bagging Mildura?
Report littlegypt April 14, 2013 12:51 AM BST
hope the boys got plenty race 8 Mildura last night-Swan Hill seems money well spent do they ever race there
Report PardonThePun May 12, 2013 9:31 AM BST
What is going on with Cramps many suspensions?????

How on earth can he still be driving, he was found guilty of the worse possible charge of foul driving - got disqualified for 6mths, appealed - lost - got varied to a 6mths suspension and 10k fine AND HES STILL DRIVING. Plus he had another 6 weeks worth of charges that he appealed and lost, WTF???
Report Solvalla May 12, 2013 11:41 AM BST
PTP it is the only sport I know that worships the filth in it.

If you are a grub then you will go a long way in harness racing.

Football codes cherish and celebrate their heroes. Harness racing promotes and puts up on the pedestal the sports trash.

Cramp will be doing HRV ads, running a club or holding some high position before we know it.
Report Solvalla May 17, 2013 3:19 PM BST
If you ever needed a reason not to bet at Mildura just look at Mildura trots today and the Cramp horses. Enough said.
Report uncleee May 20, 2013 4:42 AM BST
why is mcarthy still driving? what possible evidence would they need extra time to find? probably going to show some of shayne cramps drives as evidence thats its normal to drive them like that
Report Solvalla December 22, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
More Cramp news.

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=22351

Is that Matt Leppard the same Matt Leppard who is an AFL umpire?
Report Sinbad Bay December 23, 2013 7:19 AM GMT
Just watched replay, only question should be how did he only get 6 weeks?
Report Aussie Driver December 23, 2013 7:38 AM GMT
Bayonet still thinks its all ok, gee I wonder why
Report gardenstar December 24, 2013 8:29 AM GMT
Gotta love HRV. They give blokes 8 weeks for a poor drive when they're trying, but only 6 weeks when you pull one up.
Report Bayonet December 27, 2013 11:50 AM GMT
Mildura trots , its better than a tax deduction
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