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stood down from driving.

anyone know what he's done?
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Report littlegypt November 25, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
Alleged investigation of a certain MC at Harness tracks is under investigation
Report Joel November 25, 2011 2:36 AM GMT
MC HammerConfused
Report dos dedos mis amigos November 25, 2011 2:52 AM GMT
what about beatty - not warren
Report Thevoiceofreason November 25, 2011 6:05 AM GMT
What about him he has not been mentioned in any reports in being involved in the scandal at all, other than to have been involved in the start of the investigations before he left
Report themaster007 November 25, 2011 7:24 AM GMT
Agree........... Can't beleive he hasn't had a MENTION...... EVERYONE knows
Report Thevoiceofreason November 25, 2011 7:34 AM GMT
All you know Master is that he questioned you over your betting activities on a very very very smelly race at Newcastle in February 2010 and you have not stopped bagging him since... that is all you know.
Report dos dedos mis amigos November 25, 2011 11:07 AM GMT
wtf
Report dos dedos mis amigos November 25, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
warren is v lucky IMO
Report dos dedos mis amigos November 25, 2011 11:08 AM GMT
teflon
Report Thevoiceofreason November 25, 2011 4:09 PM GMT
Or option three he was not involved the police have found races back as far back as January 2010 so it is a genuine investigation.

From the press it appears to be at tracks the then boss stipe did not often officiate at but if you two are right he will be the next charged remind me of this post if he is.
Report HonestBob November 25, 2011 10:09 PM GMT
TVOR just coincidence that he went to a country that has no extradition treaty with Australia.
Just coincidence that he resigned just before this all broke.
Coincidence that he skipped out of town before the story broke.
This happened partly under his watch
So being the fine upstanding steward that he is you would expect he would jump on the first plane back to help out authorities.
Report BertK November 25, 2011 11:55 PM GMT
I am only a small fish player maybe $100 $300 a week but I will never have another bet on Sydney harness ever will shift to Vic and SA and just learn the dynmics and I reckon there will be plenty more like me
Report littlegypt November 26, 2011 12:07 AM GMT
Good luck with Vic Bert K-its as HOT as anywhere
Report littlegypt November 26, 2011 12:10 AM GMT
if anyone is serious about moving to bet on Vic Harness race 4 at Nyah Tuesday night might not be the best place to start-still race 8 at Melton last night smelt a bit as well.
Report BertK November 26, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
Probably rihgt but I cant bet on NSW anymore have to keep off Mildura seems thats too hot up there unles you are in the Cramp team
Report BertK November 26, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
Probably rihgt but I cant bet on NSW anymore have to keep off Mildura seems thats too hot up there unles you are in the Cramp team
Report littlegypt November 26, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
I was only joking Bert K hope you do well its hard everywhere
Report uncleee November 26, 2011 1:53 AM GMT
more arrests today from central west
Report Aussie Driver November 26, 2011 1:56 AM GMT
Uncleee you may get a drive in the Miracle Mile the way things are going!
Report Thevoiceofreason November 26, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
Honest Bob

I am not sure about the extradition treaty in fact I have no idea however that does not preclude the police from investigating him. My understanding is many of the charges have been possible because of phone records and HRNSW would have his.

Secondly since the story broke and long before any charges were laid The Telegraph, The Herald, ABCTV and 7 all did investigations and named people not one organization mentioned his name other the than the Herald who said he did some preliminary work on the investigation before he left.

Yes the point you make that it happened partly on his watch is true as I said earlier not at tracks that the Chief Steward was working at, having said that how could he or any of the other stewards stopped O'Toole and Bentley from leaking information, it is also partly on the watch of every other honest steward who has worked with the two that have been named and I know none of the current panel are happy about it.

I again do not know but would suspect if the police or HRNSW wanted to talk to him he will be pretty easy to find. After all hi is not hiding in the Bahamas he is in Macau as Chief Steward and they ran there first ever International race only last week under his watch.

It is not so long ago the Master and his mates were telling us on this very forum he was kicked out of Macau before he started with the trots in NSW, they now have trouble spurting  that rubbish since they Macau asked him back especially to control their biggest ever race.

As I said  earlier remind me of this post when he is charged my only disappointment is Betfair is not betting on it because I would bet up no charges ever happen because he was not involved.
Report Aussie Driver November 26, 2011 2:32 AM GMT
And as TVOR pointed out, some of these stories that people claimed to 'know' about Beattie have been proven to be nothing more than fictional anyway
Report burgess November 26, 2011 3:09 AM GMT
Harness racing.Definition.Thieves on wheels.
Report HonestBob November 26, 2011 4:35 AM GMT
Burgess its crims on rims please.
AD and TVOR some of them are stories and rumors and some are spot on the money.
I don't know if HRNSW had all of Beatties phone numbers and were tapping them all.
I dont know if all of his phones were in his name.
I don't know if they asked for any of his records.
Fact he had more than 1 phone.
Fact he was officiating regularly with Bentley and Adams.
Just too many coincidences for me.
TVOR "I would bet up no charges ever happen because he was not involved"
So you know for a fact he was not involved?
I would be willing to match the other side of your bet for as much as you want
Report Aussie Driver November 26, 2011 4:46 AM GMT
HB - with respect, how do you know the facts you claim?

I can't imagine you know for a fact that some of the things you assert are correct, you may believe them to be the case which is your perogative but to state they are facts - well I suspect you believe what you hear. One thing is for sure, there have been some lies created by some merely to protect their own muddy name
Report HonestBob November 26, 2011 5:19 AM GMT
Only 2 stated facts AD
The second one is on public record look it up on Harness.org
The first one I dont care if you believe me or not.Fact.
Report Aussie Driver November 26, 2011 5:40 AM GMT
HB all I am saying is don't listen to stories created by people who some know are fraudelant themselves
Report HonestBob November 26, 2011 5:53 AM GMT
With all due respect AD you have got no idea who I am, who I associate with or who I speak to.
Therefore nothing I conclude has anything to do with "stories created by people who some know are fraudulent themselves".
Strangely enough I think for myself.
Report Aussie Driver November 26, 2011 6:00 AM GMT
No I don't know who you are and I have not shown any disrespect for your opinion.

You also don't know who I am, and you have been on here in the past backing up someone who I and others know is not who he says he is. Forgive me for wondering if you believe some of the fiction, if that is not the case, then good luck and good punting to you
Report Scott135 November 26, 2011 6:32 AM GMT
All I have to say is it's about bloody time they got these scum in harness racing.
They have been on the nose in NSW since I was born.
Now other states have to follow suit...
Report HonestBob November 26, 2011 7:18 AM GMT
Here we go again.
Facts?????????
"you have been on here in the past backing up someone who I and others know is not who he says he is"
Who would this be????
Report Thevoiceofreason November 26, 2011 1:35 PM GMT
Honest Bob

I actually do know for a fact Beattie was not involved because I know him as I said earlier from the brief of evidence supplied for Paul O'Toole it looks like it was confined to tracks where he and Bentley officiated and I suspect from reading the tracks it will have been when one of the two was in charge of the meeting and therefore making decisions in relation to swabbing.

One fact you got right it this Beattie often worked with Adams he is another harness steward who has not been implicated in any way with this investigation so I am not quite sure what that point proves they worked many meetings together at Newcastle Tamworth and Harold Park and those tracks have not yet been mentioned in evidence according to the press reports I have read.

The other fact I do know is when the story first broke Beattie was smart enough to realise many of the people he had taken action against in Harness Racing would take this opportunity to try and blacken his name so he made immediate  contact with his former employers and offered yes offered all his phone records both privately owned mobile and home number in Sydney where he lived, he did not need to offer up his work phone records because they were held with HRNSW if you doubt me on any of this ring Sam Nati and ask him. I have no doubt he will tell you what I have said his 100%correct.

Can I ask you this, do you in your heart of hearts honestly believe a task force of our best investigators in the NSW police force would not find a link if he were involved. Clearly from the charges laid they are leaving no stone unturned.

The other thing I did not check this with him but I think he disqualified one of those already charged over a drug related matter in his tenure as Chief Steward ... what are you suggesting disqualify one year and pull a rort the next, you have to be kidding it does not make sense... well not to me.
Report logroller November 27, 2011 12:00 AM GMT
"best investigators in the NSW police force"

oh my god, could this be a fact
Report Thevoiceofreason November 27, 2011 2:43 AM GMT
Legroller

I usually cop it sweet when I have over stated something and you probably have me here maybe they are not the best in the force.

The point I was trying to make is this is the same squad that investigated and lay the charges in the Cowboys penalty goal betting scam.

It appears they know there stuff and are prepared to have a go, sure John Elias was not convicted but they believed he was guilty and charged him accordingly so they did there job which was investigate and charge, all I am saying is they at this stage look like they are following down a similar path in this investigation.
Report HonestBob November 27, 2011 11:29 AM GMT
TVOR you may be right and he may be innocent however as the head of stewards Beattie investigated Bentley and O'Toole and their phone records.
Its been published he came back empty????????????????????
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/insider-blew-whistle-on-corruption-in-trotting-20110902-1jq5y.html
Given the length of the charge sheet submitted in court how did he miss them?
Report nickw November 27, 2011 11:35 AM GMT
TVOF
sounds like this ex steward is a mate of yours...
Report who_meee November 27, 2011 12:06 PM GMT
dobson
Report who_meee November 27, 2011 12:07 PM GMT
dobson
Report Thevoiceofreason November 27, 2011 2:09 PM GMT
Honest Bob

I think you will find when he had a look it was not both only rumors were around about one at the time, having told you that  I can also tell you he is filthy he came up empty, you do not need to point that out to him, as I said I know him and one of the points you raised about him is particularly relevant the use of second phones, that is why when the story broke he contacted HRNSW and offered his private phone records immediately.

He was smart enough to know the same blokes that ran the rubbish of him being barred from Macau would spurt the same old **** again, he was not in a position to stop it but he tried to do the right thing.

I should say he was never popular as a steward  in Harness Racing he knows that, I think it was because he had a go the funny thing is the two most popular stewards on the Harness Panel as of July 31st 2011 were Paul O'Toole and Matthew Bentley.. being popular as a steward is not always a good barometer as how you do the job.

And to Nickw I would have thought that was obvious.
Report Back High Lay Low November 28, 2011 6:57 AM GMT
Must be a vice squad rdo today, no more arrests.
Report HonestBob November 28, 2011 10:00 AM GMT
TVOR I have no doubt that Beattie would be filthy. It is an amazing oversight from someone whom is meant to be as experienced as he was and to find not one iota or inkling that something was going on?  That was really poor. There are so far a massive 38 counts on the charge sheet:  thirty eight!  And Reid Sanders says it is the tip of the iceberg.  Just how it all went past Beattie without something standing out seems incomprehensible. Especially as he was asked to look into allegations and came back empty handed.  Thats empty handed.  I dunno.  Just doesn't make sense.   
Beattie wasn't popular because he made so many mistakes and tried to blame others for his screw ups.  Remember the Promises Kept race? 
Did he really leave on his own accord or was he told that if he didn't he would be shown the door?
Report got beat by a whisker-again November 28, 2011 10:31 AM GMT
I knew there was something fishy going onSurprisedSurprisedWink
Report Thevoiceofreason November 28, 2011 10:57 AM GMT
I dont think he ever tried to blame anyone your example PROMISES KEPT he put his hand up to and knew he stuffed up never ever denied it.

The trouble was he only had access to the phone records HRNSW held and I am told not by him that the perpetrators were using second phones.

They were smart if the were missing a TCO2 swab they would post race test so all looked sweet, very easy to hide in a situation where every winner is not swabbed at the meetings in question at the times in question it was HRNSW policy to swab 3 or 4 winners.

Think about it if rort is race 7 swab 1 2 3 5  quota filled the policy was always open to abuse but that was not his call.

In fact I know he swabbed across the state a lot more than was done before he got there.
Report uncleee November 28, 2011 12:18 PM GMT
Impression I got was that the police uncovered and arrested people that were never on the radar of hrnsw investigation, which is likely due resources, warrants and likelihood suspects would divulge info under police questioning
How true that is I'm not sure, so could possible explain why Beattie never saw anything

Interesting to see if they find evidence of team driving away from the swabbing factor.. One driver handing up to another
Report Lloydy Trots Man November 28, 2011 12:40 PM GMT
About time Chris Gleason made a comeback
Report Thevoiceofreason November 28, 2011 2:08 PM GMT
Things Just got a lot clearer

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/superracing/trots-scandal-37-suspect-races-revealed/story-fn67rc85-1226208522129
Report HonestBob November 28, 2011 8:13 PM GMT
TVOR come on. So you are saying that because he only had access to phone records HRNSW held, he was unable to use some nous to further examine their conduct to try and find out if something untoward was happening. So much for his investigative powers. I thought this is what stewards were meant to have. Obviously not Beattie. It just does not seem right. I am not up to speed on the swabbing procedure but you seem to know it pretty well so fair enough the system could be rorted and obviously was.  The facts remain: 

The rorting started a long time before Beattie departed according to the charge sheet. It was happening while Beattie was chief steward. With Sanders talking tips of icebergs, it seems unbelievable that something wasn't found out prior to someone giving themselves up. A lot of people find this hard to understand. Sam Nati must be cursing this wasn't nipped in the bud earlier.

The systematic rorting was perpetrated by a cadet steward turned junior steward for gods sake. How could such a junior steward concoct such corrupt conduct on such a large scale?  That in itself helps make this all so unbelievable on top. I am not sure when Bentleys birthday is but it has been stated in the press that he is 22 years old now. So when it started he could have been a baby-faced 20 years old. Some say it has been going on for longer. He must have been one incredibly smart 20 year old and gutsy 20 year old to kick start that earner.  Unless someone more senior showed him?
Report trotman November 28, 2011 11:12 PM GMT
Fellas - if you think that the Stewards initiated this whole deal I think you're off the mark.  I believe there was a similar allegation pointed at a Steward's son inside the last ten years - he was removed pretty quickly. It's not like it's a whole new idea.

I tend to believe the 'tip of the iceberg' quote if you consider that the Fast Turnover Newcastle race is not on the Daily Telegraph LIST.

http://www.harness.org.au/video/nsw/NRC24061106.wmv

Have a look at that - the best I've seen in a while :-)
Report Thevoiceofreason November 29, 2011 12:41 AM GMT
Bob

You say it should have been obvious perhaps you are right but lets do some maths to put it in perspective..

I have tried to explained in a swab selection process that allowed the chief steward at the meeting to select 3 winners from 8 races to be tested (not considering HP or now Menangle where each winner is swabbed) this leaves approximately 50 winners a week untested in NSW, at 4.5 weeks a month, on average this is 225 winners a month not swabbed I do not think in those circumstances missing one post race a month would be hard to hide.

Now lets examine TCO2 testing say average 70 runners a meeting (again discount HP or Menangle where more are tested up to 25% of the runners)if TCO2 testing was conducted and it was approx at 70%of meetings, so it is then only 36 runners a week tested from 700 runners if you do the maths that is 3150 runners a month again I do can not see how any one in theses circumstances could identify a pattern of emerging , there are just too many variables.

I am told is was part or the plan to also to test other stable runners who were not "helped" so again no pattern emerged because it looked like the Trainer was being tested.

As I have said my comments were about Beatties alleged involvement and from looking at the races now listed its very obvious he was not involved,in fact on many of the dates he would have been  officiating at another meeting elsewhere in the state.

I am not aware of the facts of the actual case any more than you but like Unclee I suspect the investigative powers possessed by the police have been a great assistance in finding the facts. One thing I have checked in relation to phones is everybody knew Beattie had a second phone but no one at HRNSW were even aware Bentley had one well not until the whistle blew so it was not possible for him to ask for those records.

I think trotman is right there may be more races but as each day goes by I become more  and more confident the former boss will not be implicated much to the distress of Master and his crew.
Report HonestBob November 29, 2011 9:06 AM GMT
TVOR.  It seems a bit crazy that he was asked to investigate and came up empty handed. 38 races named today. Tip of the iceberg. Obviously not that good at his job!

The other fact you ignored or failed to give any weight to is that an implicated steward Matthew Bentley is only very, very young. I have a lot of trouble swallowing that he could concoct this elaborate scam himself at 20-21 years of age, without the guidance of a more seasoned and experienced person, whomever that may be.  I have serious trouble believing it would have been drivers or trainers or owners or punters approaching the Stewards. That is Russian roulette of the highest order!

It just doesn't wash.

Maybe it was a problem with perception. When you read articles like the one below it makes you wonder. 

Harness Racing NSW chairman of stewards Michael Beattie faces an integrity investigation after answering a question at an inquiry untruthfully. Beattie told the appeal tribunal last month that he had not identified to police who he thought had made threatening phone calls to him when he actually had. Integrity auditor John Costigan will investigate the matter but Beattie has not been stood down.


The link is here:

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/stewards-chief-faces-probe-into-reply-he-gave-tribunal-over-telephone-calls-20101002-161z1.html#ixzz1f0CfC9zl

All anyone wants is harness racing to move forward. Beattie was chief in the darkest hour of harness racing.
The darkest hour of any racing code as they describe it. That is not an accolade anyone would want whether they were involved or not. Beattie must be ill that it happened under his watch.

At least the sport is moving forward now.
Report Thevoiceofreason November 29, 2011 9:34 AM GMT
Clearly a more experienced steward was involved "Paul O'Toole" or did you miss that news he has already been charged and has been at the Trots for over 20 years remember.

In relation to that other allegation you point us too that he attempted to mislead in an inquiry, it was run firstly at the appeal level and the judge gave it no substance, So then not happy with that the complainer who was by the way the person had actually made the threats over the phone then asked HRNSW to put it to the integrity auditor which they rightly did.

The reason HRNSW did not stand Beattie down at the time was because there own independent legal advice on reading the transcripts was he had done nothing wrong.

Surprise Surprise the integrity auditor in his independent probe also found nothing he had done nothing wrong .

Not too bad for mine innocent three times of the same crime by three different legal minds.

The complainer on this occasion was already disqualified and by Beattie, he was also under another probe by Beattie for training whilst disqualified of course like many other grubs in the game that he was investigating  on they wanted him gone so the best way was to try and attack his integrity and on each and every occasion they came up empty.

Is he ill about it have no doubt he is, does he think he could have spotted it without the investigative powers of the police or a whistle blower .. to be honest he doubts it because of all the reasons I have outlined to you already.

Like him or loath him he is a realist and you should take note that many of his biggest knockers have already been implicated in the current swabbing investigation.
Report Craig The Speculator November 29, 2011 9:36 AM GMT
trotman and nothing from August 3rd or 4th either
Report uncleee December 1, 2011 8:34 AM GMT
Why did nsw swap Beattie for sanders in Macau? Seems perculiar imo, Either they sold us a dud, we sold them one
Report Thevoiceofreason December 1, 2011 9:30 AM GMT
Unclee

It was not intended to be a swap Beattie went to Macau as Director Of Racing with Sanders staying on as Chief Steward however Sanders decided to head home before Beattie arrived.

After a couple of months Baettie was then appointed their Chief Steward in addition to the original role.

Sanders applied and got the role with HRNSW, just a coincidence.
Report HonestBob December 1, 2011 8:40 PM GMT
So TVOR are you sure that Beattie never officiated at any of the 37 suspect meetings with suspect races?

Beattie aside do you think that other stewards could have been involved?
Report Thevoiceofreason December 2, 2011 1:27 AM GMT
Bob

99.9% sure because he worked more meetings in the north of the state many of the dates already listed  he would have been at that other meeting ie. Newcastle, Tamworth, for instance the 3 races an the Goulburn day he would have been at Menangle.

I very much doubt any other steward was involved for a couple of reasons, Bentley and O'Toole were very close and also because one of O'Toole's duties as starter was to assist with the swabbing by identifying the horse as it was swabbed so there was no need for anyone else to be involved.

Also this far down the track with both the police and HRNSW doing separate investigations another name would be out by now
Report themaster007 December 2, 2011 5:44 AM GMT
AUSSIE DRIVER.......... what are you on about YOU moron.......... FICTIONAL BETS that you talk about at Bathurst, YOU have no idea it was BANKSTOWN........ Keep it up, the we will see how FICTIONAL you are. Beattie was working as an Administrator in Asia. AND was asked to leave. WHO CARES.


themaster007


YOU know my number call me if you HAVE a problem.
Report Thevoiceofreason December 2, 2011 6:40 AM GMT
The master what are you saying Macau asked Beattie to leave then the same organisation asked him to come back to an even  higher position to arrange their first international event then asked him to take on the Chief Stewards role as well, seems to me you well worn crap about him ever being asked to leave in the first place is not supported by subsequent events.

Anyone who believes what you say about him is off their head in July 2010 you were spurting rubbish about him being sacked you must have been the only so called racing expert in Australia who did not know he was at the Garfton Cup Carnival which by the way is where started his stewarding career way back in the 1970's

As I have said before you have bagged him since he asked you some very uncomfortable questions about your betting activities on a very smelly race... be a man and get over it.
Report themaster007 December 2, 2011 6:59 AM GMT
VOF......... we know who you are Michael.......
Report Thevoiceofreason December 2, 2011 7:44 AM GMT
Credit where credit is due Master at least you are consistent if nothing else WRONG AGAIN
Report Lady_Darlinghurst December 2, 2011 7:51 AM GMT
No more arrests?
Report themaster007 December 2, 2011 11:32 AM GMT
VOR.......... Come on Bill......... LOL
Report HonestBob December 2, 2011 1:03 PM GMT
TVOR it is hardly a feather in the cap to have been away at other meetings like Tamworth and Newcastle. Not exactly the vatican where they were officiating.

You bring up about Beattie investigating smelly races as you put it. There is one thing Beattie had an appalling record at.  Putting people away. He couldn't put away a hooker in a brothel.  Every time he gave someone time the appeals judge would laugh it off, and uphold the appeal and in the same breath smash Beattie at the same time. How many appeals were dismissed under Beattie?

Someone put some transcript on this forum one time where the appeals judge absolutely smashed Beattie over his process in an investigation. That must have hurt. Why did Beattie fail so abysmally to make charges stick?  Good stewards do not fail in this regard.  Beattie did and did badly. This could have been another reason he was shown the door.
Report HonestBob December 2, 2011 1:16 PM GMT
How incompetent would it make Beattie if he was officiatnig at a meeting where there were rorts going on?
Report Thevoiceofreason December 3, 2011 1:10 AM GMT
Unfortunately for it is easy to not lose any appeals, take no action Terry Bailey current gallops Chief steward in Victoria and Former Chief steward of Harness Racing in that state he is widely thought of as one of the best stewards in the world he has lost a lot of appeals this year, it does not make him a bad steward it just means the judge did not agree with his opinion ... a bit like this forum.

Beattie as Chief steward worked at the boss at the two biggest turnover meetings each week Friday and Saturday night that is pretty much the norm for every Chief Steward in every code in Australia. To effectively do this he went to Newcastle at most mid weeks due to the high number of horses that crossed over to the Saturday meetings. Tamworth was the Golden Guitar Carnival and it was policy at HRNSW that the boss do the major Carnivals again I see no issue there.

I joined this thread when two posters (not yourself) virtually said Beattie was involved in the swabbing corruption my point was and remains he was not. I think the current list of races which had not been released when I chimed in proves it and time will absolutely prove it when he is not charged.

We ended up off point it is boring to me so it must be to others so this will be my last post on this issue, which will make many happy no doubt, when we come down to debating what roster Beattie worked it has become childish.
Report uncleee December 3, 2011 1:54 AM GMT
im confused, i thought he lost that appeal because he lied and was found out?
Report Thevoiceofreason December 3, 2011 2:29 AM GMT
The appeal that he was accused of lying in by the Gallaghers he did not lose the penalty was varied however.
Report Back High Lay Low December 3, 2011 3:51 AM GMT
Where'd HonestBob's post goConfusedWhoops
Report uncleee December 3, 2011 4:18 AM GMT
smartest thing beattie did was leave when he did, would have had to resign if still here along with the rest of hrnsw at the conclusion of the scandal
Report HonestBob December 3, 2011 9:23 PM GMT
I don't think its childish at all TVOR, the point is where was "your mate" rostered on the 27th December?
Report uncleee December 3, 2011 11:56 PM GMT
he still had a sense of humour - story dated feb 2011
BEATTIE SIGNS OFF
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Harness Racing NSW's departing chief steward Michael Beattie hopes more consistent penalties and less predictable swabbing procedures will be the legacy of his three years in charge. Beattie announced his resignation on Thursday and his last day will be March 8. HRNSW boss Sam Nati said Beattie had an ''energetic and influential'' presence. ''Many of the positive changes we have initiated over the past 18 months, such as the vast improvement in the area of trials, could not have been accomplished without Mr Beattie's commitment to drive change,'' he added. Beattie said it was important drivers knew where they stood with regards to penalties, ''whether they're driving at Bathurst, Young or Menangle,'' Beattie said. ''I believe we now have a much less predictable swabbing procedure and that's going to give people long-term confidence in the industry to know that people aren't cheating.''

Report Thevoiceofreason December 4, 2011 1:13 AM GMT
Undoubtedly words he now wished he had not typed but to put the comment into context it was reference to the introduction of 2 hour post race TCO2 testing which was not conducted at all before his time.

Whilst I see the irony in your post it is also ironic that one of the many positive swabs  detected through this new swabbing method was Michael Russo a person already charged in this investigation.
Report uncleee December 4, 2011 1:35 AM GMT
it was a positive swab that was found to be contaminated, caffeine i think... whether i believe that is another thing, but russo did get off that plus the team driving charge at HP... but did get them for tco2 in the end didnt he?
Report Thevoiceofreason December 4, 2011 2:38 AM GMT
Team driving charge appeal was upheld the judge point blank said nothing wrong with the drive apparently it is  ok to hand up on a leader when you are already walking.

The positive swab at Bathurst appeal was upheld because the Judge found it MAY have been contaminated at collection even though the stable signed off on the sample the night it was collected as all being ok.

The positive TCO2 was actually long before that with a horse called WILL STAR it was also appealed because it was the first positive in an after race test but no joy and Michael Russo got 12 months I think. He was one of many that caught post race.
Report HonestBob December 4, 2011 8:20 AM GMT
OK Mr TVOR as your not interested in answering my question and the viewers at home really want to know,
the answer is on 27th December your mate Michael was at the foot of the mountains. Specificallly Penrith Paceway. What also happened on that evening at Penrith Paceway? Look no further than the recently published list of races under investigation to find the answer to that one.
Report Lloydy Trots Man December 4, 2011 9:01 AM GMT
Interesting thread.
If horses where Drugged what about the poor owners that owned the horses.
What happens to the horses?
Do they only have short Careers?
What happens if you had a valuable horse was drugged then ruined horse.
Has the owner got a Case?
Report Barney The Bot Slayer December 4, 2011 9:14 AM GMT
My experience has been that owners give horses to those stables, knowing what goes on, NOT ALL but some
Report HonestBob December 4, 2011 10:26 AM GMT
At the very least the incompetence is staggering

http://www.harness.org.au/stewards-reports-detail.cfm?mc=PE271210

You have been very vocal TVOR that the your mate wasnt involved at any of the suspect race meetings and yet here we are. I eagerly await your response.
Report Aussie Driver December 4, 2011 10:37 AM GMT
Bob why don't we just let the investigation run its course?

You won't let it go, it does come across as if you have an axe to grind?
Report Thevoiceofreason December 4, 2011 1:13 PM GMT
I was not able to answer because I did not have access to the report but you have it so he was there was not Chief Steward at the meeting and both the two who are in the gun were there as Chief and starter assisting with swabbing. Bill Cable the current HRNSW Chief Steward was also there and I am as sure as I am with Beattie he is not involved.

When Beattie is charged let me know I will apologise to all for being wrong, tipping you will not do the same.
Report trotman December 4, 2011 11:33 PM GMT
I keep clicking on to this thread because I see there are new posts - but sadly nothing new on the actual topic.

Someone please just start a new thread titled Michael Beattie - then I won't need to read it under false pretences.
Report Back High Lay Low December 13, 2011 6:22 AM GMT
Greg Sarina is set to be stood down by Harness Racing NSW according to Brent Zerafa from the Daily Telegraph.
Report Thevoiceofreason December 13, 2011 8:25 AM GMT
Sarina stand down now confirmed by HRNSW
Report grandstand driver December 14, 2011 12:17 AM GMT
its Ben.
Report Back High Lay Low December 14, 2011 12:20 AM GMT
It's both.
Report Craig The Speculator December 14, 2011 2:19 AM GMT
was hoping Ben wasn't involved Sad
Report Back High Lay Low December 6, 2013 7:41 AM GMT
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/harness-driver-greg-bennett-acted-for-trainers-20131204-2yqzs.html

When the boss of harness racing called in a corrupt steward to confront him about race fixing, his employee allegedly told him: ''It's not like somebody's died.''

Harness Racing NSW chief executive Sam Nati also alleges the steward, Matthew Bentley, ''basically asked me, 'Why? Did you want to be in on it?' ''

Mr Nati was giving evidence on Wednesday at the trial of the leading harness driver Greg Bennett, who has pleaded not guilty to six counts of giving or offering a bribe.

Days before Mr Nati's encounter with Mr Bentley on August 8, 2011, someone firebombed the car of the then chairman of stewards, Bill Cable, who had been investigating corruption in the industry.
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Mr Cable told the trial he had been investigating complaints about Mr Bentley and another corrupt steward, Paul O'Toole, and he had their phone records among other documents in the boot of his car when it burst into flames with ''a loud boom'' 10 metres from his bedroom about 11.30pm.

A murky underworld of horse doping and crooked officials are providing the backdrop for this case at Downing Centre courts.

But Mr Bennett's barrister, Charles Waterstreet, attempted to demonstrate that his client's name was not among a long roll call of allegedly corrupt figures mentioned by Mr Bentley and Mr O'Toole on that August 8, two years ago - the day both stewards were called in and, during separate meetings, told they could resign or be sacked.

Mr Nati agreed that Mr Bentley had described harness racing trainers as ''desperate'' and ''scum'' during that meeting. He also agreed with Mr Waterstreet that Mr Bentley had said Mr Bennett acted ''through his trainers''.

Also at those meetings was Reid Sanders, who had only started work on August 1, 2011, as HRNSW's new regulatory manager. ''An introduction to hell,'' Mr Waterstreet suggested.

Now the head of integrity and chairman of stewards, Mr Sanders described Greg Bennet as a ''very famous'' harness racing driver and as being ''akin'' to the star thoroughbred jockey Damien Oliver.

He confirmed the names of industry figures - identified in court only by their initials - who Mr Bentley and Mr O'Toole had named as corrupt. Mr Sanders agreed the pair had not mentioned Mr Bennett. Mr Cable also said an unnamed informant had not named Mr Bennett.

Mr Sanders said he asked Mr Bentley about the motive for his corruption. Was it for money or drugs? Mr Bentley had replied: ''None of those. I wear Armani suits. I've inherited $1.8 million. It's not about money.''

But Mr Nati said that Mr Bentley had said Mr Bennett was involved in corruption for trainers for whom he worked. ''Horses were allowed to compete, knowing they wouldn't be drug-tested,'' Mr Nati said.

An expert witness, Racing Victoria's head veterinarian Brian Stewart, explained how ''drenching'' before a race gave horses more stamina. This typically involved feeding them - via a tube through the noses to their stomachs - a ''milkshake'' of sodium bicarbonate, icing sugar and water.

The trial continues.
Report Solvalla December 12, 2013 11:21 AM GMT
Greg Bennett could drive before the year is out. the best is back.
Report Solvalla December 12, 2013 11:51 AM GMT
After being stood down and denied a livelihood for so long, sams pants might be getting sued off by greg b.

innocent before proven guilty? not in harness land. they will pay a very heavy price by the looks of it.
Report Lloydy Trots Man December 12, 2013 12:26 PM GMT
When is C J Gleeson back?
Report uncleee December 12, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
They don't have to give licences to anyone
Report Back High Lay Low June 25, 2015 2:07 AM BST
Harness racing's Greg Bennett warned off over green light scandal for failing to front stewards

Harness Racing NSW stewards have warned off embattled driver Greg Bennett for refusing to answer questions in relation to the green light scandal.

Bennett - one of the sport's most celebrated figures before the scandal erupted where stewards allegedly took bribes not to take swabs from certain horses - was found guilty on two charges of hindering an inquiry into the matter.

The first related to a charge from February last year in which Bennett provided a mobile phone to the investigation claiming it was his regular phone when stewards were not satisfied that was the case.

He was disqualified on that charge for seven years, backdated to when he was first stood down and set to expire on November 24, 2018.

But the second charge, handed down last month for failing to appear and answer questions in relation to a further April inquiry, will see Bennett warned off until he assists the investigation.

Bennett has been advised of his rights to appeal.

"He didn't want to answer questions, so where can we go? He's not treated any different to others before him," HRNSW chief executive John Dumesny said.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/harness-racings-greg-bennett-warned-off-over-green-light-scandal-for-failing-to-front-stewards-20150624-ghwfmf.html
Report henryluca June 25, 2015 2:31 AM BST
Originally----involved bribing stewards Shocked ....from memory....how involved ...cant recall Confused
Report Thebas June 25, 2015 2:41 AM BST
and from an article just below BHLL's link to the G Bennett story  Shocked

and when you thought it all couldn't get worse


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/stewards-confirm-racehorses-positive-swab-for-ice-20150622-ghuoan.html


For the first time in Victorian racing history a horse has returned a positive swab to methamphetamine, better known as the growing scourge of Ice.

Racing Victoria chief steward Terry Bailey confirmed to Fairfax Media on Monday that the analyst had discovered a positive to Ice. Mornington trainer Matt Laurie's galloper Shockaholic was found to contain the substance.   

Stewards confirmed that the discovery of Ice was the first time in Victoria that the drug had been discovered but it has been a growing trend throughout Australia.   

Shockaholic gave a post-race urine sample after winning a two-year-old maiden at Echuca in late April.

It was reported that the sample contained methamphetamine (a stimulant) which is a prohibited substance in accordance with the Australian rules of racing.   

While Bailey said the case was an ongoing investigation, he confirmed that stewards had requested urine samples from Laurie and current as well as former staff members.   

Bailey said that stewards had informed Laurie at the end of May of the finding but they had not set a date for the continuation of the inquiry.
Report henryluca June 25, 2015 2:56 AM BST
How absolutely frustrating for 2nd place getters/ punters/other trainers/owners... etc .....

What a corrupt game..Aus racing ... far from squeaky clean...same with nrl games / nba matches/cricket/Olympic swimmers (no doze debacle) ....guess many just not interested in honour and glory...preferring the penthouse on the beach/new cars etc....
Report Thebas June 25, 2015 3:05 AM BST
exactly Henry

add soccer & tennis and its almost a clean sweep

if you put grubs near money in sport ... the sport dissolves into who can grub/grab the most ... 'before' getting caught

similar to the highest level of institutions fighting over the biggest markets like the foreign exchange and such



reminds me of the Bob Dylan song from the mid 1960's with a classic line in it (did Bob ever gamble .. I doubt it lol)


It's All Over Now Baby Blue

The highway is for gamblers, better use your sense

Take what you have gathered from coincidence
Report eight ball June 25, 2015 4:01 AM BST
The'ICED'horse has already come clean and has admitted himself to the 'Mr Ed' rehabilitation centre.
Apparently it all started after he had his nuts cut off and was laughed at by the fillies.Started as a small recreational pastime,enjoying the good life with nothing to do he then became addicted.
He described it as very easy as who would ever suspect a horse ??

He also refuted that definitely NO humans were involved and said No,No,Neh that humans did not sit around in his stall using the stuff.
Report Thebas June 25, 2015 4:10 AM BST
Laugh
Report henryluca June 25, 2015 4:20 AM BST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_PZPpWTRTU
Report Thebas June 25, 2015 4:24 AM BST
Laugh


Ed always looked a bit high in retrospect

well it was the 60's  Wink

in those days I think they started off the soft stuff .. like sniffing manure etc

how times have progressed Sad
Report henryluca June 25, 2015 4:25 AM BST
LaughLaugh
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