Assylum Seekers ...

Is that where they were from Womble ... I didn't even see that ... and he has the hide to call me naive ... fair dinkum!

This is actually a real problem ...

A person with a mortgage, a young family, striving to get up the corporate ladder a bit to earn more money produces some statistics that will impress the boss because the boss knows that these statistics will sound scandalous and make mainstream people want to watch his television show therefore with more viewers, more advertisers will pay to advertise in the breaks in the show and more people will buy the products that are advertised and everyone in the corporate world is happy.

The mainstream viewers are also happy because the statistics confirm what they always suspected, without looking any deeper into the statistics, which of course is hard work and they haven't time to think too hard because there's so much going on in their worlds to worry about thinking too hard, so the statistics fit neatly as the reason that this whole issue should be stopped. An issue that they are made to believe is an issue by the politicians who feed them with Xenophobia, because they know that the media will pick up on it and find statistics that the people want to hear that because it's an easy solution to stop the problem that doesn't really exist.

Meanwhile, there are innocent people that are truly being hurt by this whole process ...

Aboriginals are all drunkards, dole bludgers, petrol sniffing and live in shanty towns ...

Transsexual people are more likely to drift towards sex work, substance abuse and welfare ...

It's a sick cycle that has to be stopped. The statistics say these things which are very true on the surface, on the surface I say, which is exactly what I was talking about before, but if one ever looks a little deeper they will find why asylum seekers that arrive by boat are more likely to be unemployed years later, why aboriginal people are more likely to abuse substances or why there are high numbers on welfare, why transsexual women drift towards sex work, substance abuse and stuff ...

Mainstream society and the right-wing politicians and media that feed them the things that they want to hear are the problem that others in society are down-trodden, slip through the cracks and discriminated against to the extent that they are. Meanwhile the politicians clamp down on welfare recipients instead of offering them the mental health care that they really need, because this wins them votes from the sheeple that think the whole system can be fixed by toughening things up instead of understanding that the solution lies in making more services available to these people because they truly do need assistance.

Divine: re below, complete fabrication and you know it

A person with a mortgage, a young family, striving to get up the corporate ladder a bit to earn more money produces some statistics that will impress the boss because the boss knows that these statistics will sound scandalous and make mainstream people want to watch his television show therefore with more viewers, more advertisers will pay to advertise in the breaks in the show and more people will buy the products that are advertised and everyone in the corporate world is happy.

because it's an easy solution to stop the problem that doesn't really exist.

so boat people arent arriving in higher numbers of late? - yeah no problem , come one come all, dont worry about leaving the family at home to face the so called terror and lets bypass how many safe countries to get here, oh yeah aussies are soft


Meanwhile, there are innocent people that are truly being hurt by this whole process ...

Aboriginals are all drunkards, dole bludgers, petrol sniffing and live in shanty towns ...
Transsexual people are more likely to drift towards sex work, substance abuse and welfare ...


so says she that whinges when they are portrayed that way

and yes the TS situation, mental health yeah sure, you work it out you want to change sex, i understand there are major implications but you do what you have to do, its not a mental health issue, its a personal decision to make in the face of societys norms you have to get strong and deal with it, no amount of welfare (cash) will help the problem, nor selling your body and/or abusing drugs thats again a personal decision, i mean if you cant get a job you cant get a job welfare has its place for this

and lastly i bet the dog always ate your homework the nasty little creature

I've just blocked you Ozracer.

I've had enough of you and your yapping at my feet

VK, did you accept my apology?

no worries Devine you put up opinion pieces i will still respond WITH MY OPINIONS doesnt matter that you are never wrong and wont take responsibilty for your own actions....the people will see that reasoned debate is not to run away from...especially when you fabricate stuff as in the first line......


all in all very weak effort putting up opinions then not listening to another opinion via blocking because you disagree.....hell what are you doing on betfair....you get to disagree with someone every bet you have...you gunna block them...

you act like a spoilt child when the world disagrees telling them to fvck off.....PATHETIC individual you are....the whole betfair forum to you is all about look at me

i thought the ultimate goal of a TS is to be accepted as the new gender?....not you, you get here and tell the whole world look at me i used to be a man........instead of saying and sticking to the agenda of just being a woman

take a good hard long look at yourself.....

and devine i know you will read that because you log in and out every 2 minutes to read pieces unlogged in...and btw you wondering why i call you devine, its because you wouldnt let up on the name calling

What a joke of a post.

truths hurts sweetie

OZ 2
TQ 0

game set match thankyou linesman, thankyou real ballboys

yeah you are right fancy running away from opinion other than your own....dont know why she would do that

How was Today Tonight last night?

Apparently that's where all the smart people get their information from.

never watch it, found all the winners at ipswich today

TONY ABBOTT

next pm of oz cant wait to see forum reaction when it happens and labor spends 4 terms on the sidelines

ABBOTT'S got no chance To go beyond 1 term IF HE WINS. He's done a good job to get them into a winning position, at some residual damage to his own party.(RE:Trashing Policy and party reputation, along the way).
He is past his use by date and should be moved on to let a real leader take over. imo

interesting groups of people uniting on this issue politically

onshore - Greens, Labor Left, Independents???, Moderate Liberals (even Clive Palmer)

offshore - Labor right, Liberals

it's a mess - will be interesting to see how it unfolds. In saying that, Bob Brown was wrong to call my fellow public servants Turkey's - not impressed Bob [>o]

absolute lack of clear, concise leadership from gillard and her mates.

you have no idea about the australian aboriginal. i have a great friend who is aboriginal and he is ashamed at his race abusing the system.

$30 billion spent these last 10 years for what? thats a damn lot of money
the federal gov pay them to send their children to school.
they have low interest loans, free legal with the best lawyers.
if they fall behind in public housing rent they cannot be evicted.
they are never penalised if they fail to look for work while recieving benefits.they have the best schooling funds for all aboriginal children to pay for fee's, uniforms,school trips,books etc
they have housing projects up north where they have destroyed these homes
they demanded huge land deposits in sth aus under their dream time beliefs being sacred land. once the land was given back to the aboriginal people uranium was discovered so they wanted to sell it to the highest bidder, thank god the fed gov refused. and that mansell guy once said " give us the aboriginal people northern terrorty and build a wall around it, we call it our country and we live on your ( australian peoples ) welfare .

i do understand though that the aboriginal people need much help because of alcholisim, diebeties, etc, and a new system needs to brought in how aboriginal affairs are run..not worry about outsiders opinions.

please dont tell me they are doing it tough. time they accepted blame for their own doings.

Megsy ... this is exactly what I'm talking about ...

I didn't mean to suggest, if I did, that all Aboriginals are ..., or all Transsexuals are ..., but there are, of course, larger percentages of both of those minorities that are ..., than mainstream society.

There are reasons for that, and they need to be explored by those that start tarring all within a minority group with the same brush, as you seem to have done with your examply.

There is a thing called "stigma" Megsy, and unfortunately it plays a huge part in how people from all different minority groups are treated by folks that have never walked in their shoes, by mainstream society and by the those that work within the system that is supposed to be there to help these folks.

I'm sure your friend would agree with my view that he probably goes about his life in this part of the world having to try and continually overcome the stigma that accompanies indigenous people ... show him this post ...

I have to also deal with the stigma in my day to day life that society dishes out to transsexual people as sex workers, drug addicts, welfare recipients and mental health riddled because that is the stigma that society has through the media and others have just formed because they have never bothered to understand more. But I don't blame the sex workers, the substance abusers, the welfare recipients etc for having to live with this stigma, I blame a society that has never, ever looked deeper than the surface and through the governments that they elect, never throw the required amount of resources our way to help eradicate an easily solvable issue once and for all. I'm sure the same can be said for the Indigenous, the Asylum Seekers, and many other minority groups than the few that I've mentioned here.

its always someone elses fault...........

society is to blame for people selling their body and abusing substances...

we force them to stick the needle into themselves and forcibly hold them down whilst someone has sex with them.....yes we are all guilty as charged..NOT

welfare should only be for unemployed,pensioners, low income earners with families and disability.......being transexual is not a disability

when is society in all shapes and forms going to stand up and say hey, i'm responsible for doing what i am doing instead of being stuck in a rut...victim mentality? break free!!!

i think if you look at the boat people thing a little more deeply - it's exactly the same thing

i.e. working class Australia, and some rich pricks, thinking these people are coming over here - rorting the system, and ruining our lifestyle

when in fact - it's the greed is good, selfishness, middle class welfare, what's in it for me mentality that's leading to the breakdown of society - however, it's easier to blame a few unfortunates that are looking for a better life

not quite true womble - get the opinion of migrants who have arrived here legally and you would be surprised at the annimosity towards the illegals

i agree with Live_in_Hope
ive heard many migrants on talk back radio condeming boat people.

these people arriving by boat aint your average citizen from iran,irak,afghan, sri lanka etc
these are people who can afford huge money to get on these junk boats. $10-30,000 and in their home countries the average person wouldnt see that sort of money in 5 life times put together and those who destroy their papers on arrival should be made to go back to the country where the boat sailed from.

judge no man before you've sailed a mile in his boat.........................IMO

deep VK and accurate imo

desperate people do desperate things - be that pooling the families savings to send someone to safety on a boat or getting sick of waiting year after year in the queue - what would you do in their shoes???

plenty of migrants go by the rule i'm here now, screw the rest

where as people like my family came out for basically nothing because we were from the right part of the world and were needed here

we're a big country, organise it right and we can afford to be much more generous

back in the 70's australian workers striked for better conditions, better pay. i remember my first job in 1972 you was timed going to the loo...if you was longer than a few minutes your pay was docked...then the vietnamese boat people arrived and stuffed up workers rights.

those b a s ta rds [smiley:crazy]

Oh FFS ... I give up on this ...

its a good way of lowering workers conditions and pay rates - bring in the hungry hordes.
im surprised the mining industry isnt full of indian or brazillian truck drivers on 6 month working visas

That old racist commie Gough Whitlam hated the Vietnamese boat people.

"I will not have those ****g yellow Balts with their religious and political prejudices against us"

the good old days when both sides knew we should take them in - where are they gone

business is crying out for more workers and immigrants tend to take the jobs we won't do -it's a balancing act

we need more migrants,why cant they stick to the past, europeans were great for the ecomony

I would like to see some figures on men v woman v children that arrive on these boats, i would bet the men out number the woman and children 2-1 just like the viet cong escaping there past in the the 70s a large proportion of these illegals are escaping current war situations, the question is who's side were they on?

They need to be held in prison as invaders of our country until such time as we see fit to release them.

it was there choice to come here we didn't invite them.

you have to hold them originally No_BS, shouldn't take to work if they are healthy and genuine though

the numbers of women and children increased dramatically when TPV's were in use - one of BIG reasons they shouldn't comeback imo

so just in general what you're saying Megsy is it would be ok if they were white [>o]

interesting Nielsen poll today which backs up the last one - with over 50% (54%) backing onshore processing

I wish people would stop listening to the vocal minority!!!

big day today, will Labor left force the party to drop offshore processing?  my guess is no

so they'll amend the legislation to open up offshore processing in any country the minister is satisfied is suitable, what will Abbott do??? block it or vote for it???  Or amend it to say only countries that have signed the UN treaty???   

Interesting week coming up

I haven't voted ALP for a while Womble, but if they do what you suggest they will it'll more than likely be the last time that I even consider them.

It's weird. But I used to vote ALP all the time and I don't believe that my views have changed much, so it must be that party that is moving towards the right, or being pushed that way by the reds ... woops ... I mean the Greens

same with me TQ - Greens all the way until Labor returns to their roots

what a joke the watermelons are......

off shore in malaysia it is then

Considering you put such weight in opinion polls, wombleoz (never of course to opportunistically support your argument) you'd also be supportive, I'd expect, of a move back to the Ruddster as Prime Minister.

It is the will of the people apparently......


Rudd surges as the people's choice
Phillip Coorey
September 12, 2011

LABOR would vault to an election-winning lead if it brought back Kevin Rudd as leader, according to the latest Herald/Nielsen poll.

In a finding that will do little to quell leadership chatter inside the government, Labor's primary vote would leap from 27 per cent to 42 per cent under Mr Rudd, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over the Coalition of 52 per cent to 48 per cent.

The poll finds Labor now trails the Coalition by 58 per cent to 42 on a two-party-preferred basis, which is no change from the last poll a month ago.

The former prime minister is streets ahead as preferred leader, with 44 per cent opting for him ahead of 19 per cent for Julia Gillard, 10 per cent for Stephen Smith, 8 per cent for Simon Crean, 5 per cent for Bill Shorten and 4 per cent for Greg Combet.

The poll also finds that more than half - 54 per cent - of voters favour the onshore processing of asylum seekers who arrive by boat, while only 25 per cent favour the position of the main parties to send them overseas.

This represents little change from a month ago and indicates public opinion has not been influenced by the High Court decision which ruled the Malaysia plan unlawful, cast doubt on Nauru and Manus Island, and led to departmental warnings that 600-plus asylum seekers would arrive each month if onshore processing were embraced.

The poll of 1400 voters was taken from Thursday night to Saturday night in the febrile environment of the asylum-seeker debate and continuing leadership speculation in Labor.

It finds Ms Gillard's personal ratings continue to decline.

Her approval rating plunged 6 percentage points to 32 per cent in a month and her disapproval rating rose 5 points to 62 per cent, making her the most unpopular prime minister since Paul Keating in August 1994.

Tony Abbott's ratings were unchanged at 43 per cent approval and 52 per cent disapproval.

Ms Gillard's preferred prime minister rating fell 4 points to 40 per cent while Mr Abbott's rose a point to 48 per cent.

Labor's primary vote of 27 per cent is a point lower than last month, while the Coalition's primary vote is steady at 48 per cent and the Greens rose a point to 13 per cent.

When voters were asked how they would vote if ''Kevin Rudd replaced Julia Gillard as leader'', Labor's primary vote rose 15 points to 42 per cent, the Coalition's fell 5 points to 43 per cent and the Greens fell 4 points to 9 per cent.

The Nielsen poll director, John Stirton, said while there was no doubt Mr Rudd would lift Labor's vote from its historic lows, ''the real question is what would happen when the novelty wears off?''

''In the Coalition leadership struggle between Andrew Peacock and John Howard in the 1980s, there were periods when each man was more popular as alternative leader than he was as leader - a classic 'grass-is-always-greener' phenomenon that Labor MPs should keep in mind.''

The poll comes at a fraught time for the Prime Minister. Today, with Parliament resuming, she faces crisis meetings of cabinet and caucus to try to legislate around the High Court decision and bring the Malaysia plan back into play. Then she faces a tough battle with Mr Abbott, who is prepared only to pass laws that would allow for the ''Pacific solution'' islands of Nauru and Manus Island but not Malaysia.

Tomorrow the carbon tax battle will flare when the government introduces the legislation and seeks to begin debate. The opposition will try to shut down debate pending an inquiry into the bills.

In Ms Gillard's favour, Mr Rudd, if his doctor permits, is due to leave for the US on Wednesday for the AusMin talks in San Francisco, followed possibly by the United Nations General Assembly in New York.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-surges-as-the-peoples-choice-20110911-1k...

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no chance Jez

so question is, will it be Malaysia or onshore???  it's all up to Abbott - fingers crossed for onshore

No chance???



I like it when you make predictions.

It's not all up to Abbott.

This government has failed on border security.  Simple as that.

It put together shonky asylum seeker policy which was slammed by the High Court, which effectively labeled the government as incompetent.

To suggest its all up to Abbott, is a nonsense.

The Coalition is against the Malaysian deal, but Tony Abbott will support government legislation relating to offshore processing if it is in the national interest.

....something that Julia Gillard could spend some fkn time familiarising herself with....THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

You support onshore processing, wombleoz.

In other words, you support people smuggling and seeing further boat people die in rickety boats doesn't bother you at all.

Shame.  Shame.  Shame.

I have a few carpenter mates and I'm pretty sure we could get many more to fix those rickety boats and help them all on their way back home.

Smartest move Gillard has made for a long time I knew they couldnt possibly be that dumb consistently now it puts the acid back on Abbott either put or shut up Abbott if your serious about stopping quieue jumping illigeal immigrants and thats exactly what they are. These are people who can afford to pay people smugglers, the poor bastards stuck in the refugee camps can't and those are the people in the queue who these supposedly compassionate people ignore because they instead support these illegal immigrants who choose to country shop bypassing numerous safe countries in order to bleed us dry and who take precedent over financial support that should be going to pensioners, aged care and the less fortunate here before it does to outsiders who have contributed nothing towards the well being of this country.

Increase our intake of law abiding genuine refugees by all means who have applied through the proper channels but cut  the legs out from under the people smugglers and those who attempt to shortcut the system and abuse our generosity.

labor will make amendments that will effectively say the minister can choose which country to use - i.e. Malaysia - question is will Abbott try and amend it to stop that happening, my guess is no because he doesn't have the numbers to

it's a huge risk going on a boat - it's a shame people feel they need to take that risk but in the end that's their choice - take more from the queue and maybe they wouldn't, process them here if they do

are any of you "Australians" posting on this thread aboriginal?

if not your families arrived in this fair land as immigrants or convicts so why such a lack of empathy for these poor souls wanting a better life at any cost?

I arrived in this country as refugee and I'm forever grateful.  My wife worked for years finding work/accommodation etc for foreign workers and I had the pleasure of meeting many of them.  They have some incredibly gut wrenching stories.  I find some comments here extremely ignorant and full of generalisations and frankly very sad.  Especially comments relating to "the ones who can afford it".  Take a long hard look at yourselves!

I will say it again.....JUDGE NO MAN TILL YOU'VE SAILED A MILE IN HIS BOAT

sniff, sniff

I agree totally with Village Kid !

agreed, good post VK

interesting times ahead, the Australian is running hard that Abbott should support the changes the government wants, will he???

Village Kid...so you are a refugee...another queue jumper, tell your story to the people you jumped in front of and let them judge the mile you sail in your boat !!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone has a story to tell Megsy ... and not just asylum seekers.

But on that point, perhaps you and the others that share your viewpoint could tell us your story to try and shed some light for the rest of us as to why only a few generations after your ancestors migrated, you feel that you have the right to reject others?

That would be quite interesting I think.

I've always wanted to learn more about the selfishness or the unresolved insecurity that must exist in the "it's my turn now" attitude.

teenqueen..im a 9th generation Australian. one side scotish, other side, english/french, naturally the latter was on the first fleet.

no need to explain, facts are they contribute nothing to this country as the record shows.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/health/article/-/9324635/refugees-remain-unemployed-study/

no hestitation with open arms for more europeans to migrate...not queue jump and try and change our heritage that we and our fore fathers fought for. just look whats happening to england.

they cant play cricket either

Megsy likes his Australian's white

Megsy calls himself a 9th generation Australian ... but I can think of plenty of other more appropriate things to call him ...

By: TeenQueen
Date Joined: 25 Oct 10 Add contact When: 01 Sep 11 01:45 Never mind the ugly stick ... who cares about that ... I just had no idea of the intensity of the selfishness of the people here that I didn't like much anyway ...

I've finished in this thread, and probably on this forum ...

13 days and at least 50 more posts......you cant help yourself


i'd suggest you let people have their say, just as you have had yours, i had mine,megsy,womble,afl etc have theirs, doesnt make anyone right or wrong , but YOU have to LABEL everyone with a contrary view

so now im racist because of my views on queue jumpers..

get a life !!!

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/health/article/-/9324635/refugees-remain-unemployed-study/


ozracer..dont leave to make TeenQueen feel happy, she cant make a good arguement.

i aint going nowhere megsy, i have no insecurities!!

those words were from page 1 of this thread from the queen herself.....yet here we are page 10 and still going strong[smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

What can't I make a good argument about?

And as it happens I haven't called you a racist, it's interesting that you think that I have.

I do find your comments about these people quite offensive however, and I believe that there are many others on this forum and elsewhere in Australia that are similarly offended and aghast at the things that you are saying, and where you seem to be getting your information from.

I have a life thank you for your concern. I enjoy my life very much, I don't hate innocent people as you seem to do Megsy ...

You remind me of several people that were banned from this forum recently and miraculously never returned once their bans were lifted, or not under those other names anyway.

Let's see how I go with this then ...

Megsy, you're 9th generation Australian okay.

Back when your ancestors migrated to Australia and your other ancestors came here as part of the first fleet, I think it's reasonable to suggest that they didn't mind other people migrating to Australia from foreign shores at the same time either. It would be absolutely hypocritical if they did, so I'm not suggesting that they did.

They had offspring that were born in Australia and were probably glad that their parents had migrated here. It would also be rather hypocritical of them if they didn't mind others migrating from foreign shores also, to share in the wonderful life they had for themselves in the country that their parents had arrived in.

My question to you Megsy is, as what point along the historical timeline that is your ancestral existence in Australia, do you believe that your ancestors changed from those that were welcoming of immigrants to those that were not welcoming of immigrants, and subsequently, what reasons do you believe they would've had for changing their view on this issue?

my guess to the question would be, when they made laws for immigration!
people of any nationality who respect the law are welcomed, those that do so by jumping the queue in front of those that wait for their time are frowned upon and rightfully so
otherwise oz fills up with freeloaders, once again AND I KNOW QUEENIE TOU ARE READING THIS SWEETIE those that respect immigration laws are more than welcome, i dont have a racist bone in my body

YOU!!

fancy tq talking about hate

tony abbott
me
right wingers
church followers
and thats just the start

fk ... 3 new posts ... all from a blocked user, what a waste of time!

TeenQueen...you are really confusing.

secondly  quote: I have a life thank you for your concern. I enjoy my life very much, I don't hate innocent people as you seem to do Megsy ...

You remind me of several people that were banned from this forum recently and miraculously never returned once their bans were lifted, or not under those other names anyway.

innocent people?? wtf???....i said i dislike queue jumpers, not the real immigrants who want to wait their time legally to start a new life in Australia, so go get yourself a life

funny how you can see them when you are logged out.....
you can ignore without having to block, shows how weak a person can really be.....i know you are watching sweetie

the funny thing is no abuse has ever come from me to you queenie,  unlike your often abuse directed this way becasue of what? OMG a differing view

agree with tq - all sweet
disagree with tq - blocked (if you really believe it , i dont)abuse and intolerance to your view

attituse of tq - i am right on this issue and everyone else is wrong so fk you...the proof is in the prev 10 pages [;)][;)]

attitude grrrrr

Will you be responding to my question Megsy?

By: TeenQueen
Date Joined: 25 Oct 10 Add contact When: 14 Sep 11 00:59 fk ... 3 new posts ... all from a blocked user, what a waste of time!


i know you read them sweetie otherwise how would you know if i wasted my time? maybe i was adding to the thread about Asylum seekers..BUSTED telling porkies again
just like the made up drivel about the TV(television, some may be confused here)reporters making up figures to get ratings....[smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

just like you answering for afl earlier i answered for megsy here....all you have to do megs is say thanks

whats all this about?

I can't help with anything that Ozracer is saying SC ... I've had him blocked for several days ...

how come? seems to be only expressing opinion on the subject or am i missing something?

lots of opinions about everything, every five minutes like a yapping dog looking dor attention, in other words, exactly like Christopher Pyne.

so you bar anyone with opinion on everything? i thought looking at your history you have opinion on everything? and 4913 posts against 529 seems to tell a different story to an outsider....

secong coming...i couldnt have said it better.


ive now stop responding to TeenQueen when i read her other topic ( TeenQueen )

Stop putting uppercase Q's in your posts would'ya

I scan every post in every thread looking for mention of my name and it's confusing me

cant be serious

if thats not getting off on reading her handle over n over.

ozrazer...thanks mate [;)]

I'm surprised to hear that from you SC ... but ... each to their own I guess.

TQ dont take it to heart, its just an observation, not understanding why you would block anyone....but thats your right, cheers

May depend on how you look at the stats, SC.

Oz has had a serious "spike" of late

Reminds me of the climate change stats

he has been vocal as have i regarding the con job and i dont blame him spoon

I have a cheaper option for off shore processing, it is called target practice.

lucky Aborigines didn't have cannons or they would have blown the first boat people out of the water

lol SC the 3:16 posts basically sums it up

nothing wrong with having an opinion - unless it's totally uneducated or breaks the law imo

the illegal boat numbers tend to fall away in the summer months, i wonder why? oh thats right, theyre not as
desperate' in the cyclone season

people smugglers skiing in Europe???

according to the queen i have lots of opinions on everything.....and because they are contrary to hers she bars me...not really i know she still reads it, she cant stand being caught out by answering me.....she contradicts herself time and time again...deep down she has a good heart i know that but she must learn tolerance of others opinions....

nothing wrong with having an opinion - unless it's totally uneducated or breaks the law imo


err womble opinions are like ar seholes everyone has one...and opinions are just that opinions NO ONE CAN SAY that they are right or wrong....NO ONE

statements that contain proven falsehoods are another matter
such as
Ozracer is really Bill Gates

and breaking the law is also correct again womble

she reads them megsy .....and as stated before has intolerence to anyone with contrary view

the root cause of evil in the world is intolerence

Megsy, I have reported your most recent post because of the terminology you have used to refer to me.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/today-tonight/health/article/-/9324635/refugees-rem...

Does anyone know how to get a thread 'pulled'? If they do please,PLEASE get this most excruciatingly irritating thread deleted forthwith.ALL the participants of this thread (except Spoon) should hang their heads in shame for bringing the forum to never seen before levels of tedium.I'd rather read the cricket thread than this load of misery.And I HATE cricket.

great link megsy...cant dissagree with facts as you have posted

next time Megsy will link to ACA imo [;)]