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The sooner the rest of human kind realise that we are all one species, and form a World Government to help resolve the issues in some places that make people seek refuge in other parts of the world ... the better.
We as richer nations owe it to the poorer ones to help bring them into the twenty-first century, rid them of poverty, rid them of religious extremism and provide them with the impetus to lift their standards of education, health care and justice systems to a level that the rest of us take for granted.
It won't be quick, it might take a few generations, but it will have to be a brave group of governments that pledge the kind of support that is needed. It won't win them votes among their selfish constituencies, who will see short term disadvantages to them instead of the long term advantages for all, and that is one stumbling block, the other is religion.
The sooner that organised religion can be dismantled the better. The sooner religious organisations start paying tax, their areas merged together and land sold off ... the better. The sooner they're forced out of health care and welfare the better, without the existence of these religious organisations, much welfare will not be needed anyhow, and all health care, like education should be secular anyway.
We in western society need to stop creating waste, stop exploiting this planet to the extent that we are, and focus our attention on those that need their standard of living raised to an acceptable level.
It will take longer if we don't start now.
We as richer nations owe it to the poorer ones to help bring them into the twenty-first century, rid them of poverty, rid them of religious extremism and provide them with the impetus to lift their standards of education, health care and justice systems to a level that the rest of us take for granted.
It won't be quick, it might take a few generations, but it will have to be a brave group of governments that pledge the kind of support that is needed. It won't win them votes among their selfish constituencies, who will see short term disadvantages to them instead of the long term advantages for all, and that is one stumbling block, the other is religion.
The sooner that organised religion can be dismantled the better. The sooner religious organisations start paying tax, their areas merged together and land sold off ... the better. The sooner they're forced out of health care and welfare the better, without the existence of these religious organisations, much welfare will not be needed anyhow, and all health care, like education should be secular anyway.
We in western society need to stop creating waste, stop exploiting this planet to the extent that we are, and focus our attention on those that need their standard of living raised to an acceptable level.
It will take longer if we don't start now.
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i agree TQ well said................ just one question if i may, who is that ugly woman in your profile picture, she looks like a leader of some religious cult?
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Why that's me !
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Not only are we stuck with these boat people we are now going to get 4000 more grubs from overseas, this is a ****g joke and our country is as weak as piss, send the terrorists back to there country of birth simple solution.
The truth is most that arrive by boat are men, not families, now you tell me if you had a family and your country was so bad why would you leave them there and run away alone? I know i would not, they need to speed up the process then the ones they deem no good need to be returned home right away. |
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Surely you mean ASYLUM?
Very unfortunate misspelling there. |
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well said TQ - time to adopt the Greens policy imo
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and focus our attention on those that need their standard of living raised to an acceptable level. yep its my duty to look after people the world over just for being an australian..i dont owe anyone anything, period...  the only possibility even a remote chance is religion paying tax and so they should womble/tq champion the reds again, one world govt,you do as i say or else comrade............defies belief |
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wombles answer in line with his support for the carbon tax - 10% gets sent overseas, julia never ever tells the public this...disgraceful
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THANK GOD that's just your opinion TQ [;)]
And THANK GOD its in a slender minority across Australia..... I'm sure there is fishing involved in your post, but; This thread isn't about asylum seekers or one world governance, it's about one person's absolute contempt for religion. We've all seen the trashing of Mother Teresa based on a few YouTube clips etc. IMO, I'm entitled to my beliefs, just as much as a Christian or a Muslim is entitled to theirs. In terms of government interference. A Christian has a right to stand for public office. Just as much as an athiest, a socialist, a communist and so on. Good punting  |
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(P.S - Wombleoz's post demonstrates how far to the extreme left The Greens have moved.
The Lee Rhiannon's and Wombleoz's of The Greens are inflitrating what once was a tree hugging party. Wombleoz and Lee Rhiannon make Bob Brown look like a conservative ffs  .Brown is a moderate being swamped by the fringe dwellers of the Left. It is clear The Greens now stand for extremism - for one world government and basic communism ideals ) |
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Jez, I believe that religion is behind many, many of the world's problems.
Shiraz, yes I apologise for the mis-spelling in the heading. There seems to also be a lot of selfish people that don't understand that helping others in fact helps yourself. I'm glad that aa few people agree with some of the values that I hold close to my heart. |
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TQ which countries have you visited?
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Gillard Labor is responsible for many of Australia's current problems, TQ, does that mean we must dismantle the Australian Labor Party???
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p.s. ... there are many people in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America that have been born into a situation that they didn't create also Ozzy ...
I believe in doing my bit to help the innocent and find attitudes like yours and No_BS completely and utterly selfish, but a very accurate indication of the attitudes of many people misguided sheep in the big paddock called suburbia. |
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does my statement make me selfish? i help my family and friends etc etc do all the right things but because i dont want a world govt nor want to send my hard earned OS i am deemed to be selfish,well you can go give yourself an uppercut judging others the way you do.
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well said No_BS - there needs to be a 'like' button next to comments. i especially agree with this line "The truth is most that arrive by boat are men, not families, now you tell me if you had a family and your country was so bad why would you leave them there and run away alone?
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No 1 Family
No 2 State No 3 Country the rest can help themselves imo |
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sick to death of being called a sheep and misguided at that, i know what i am and it aint that but once again another generalization from the queen
jam your selfish assertion up yours ffs YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS FOR THEIR WAY OF LIFE you live the life you want to and thats fine and i live mine the way i want to no judging required |
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lih tq is blind to the facts pointed out..............
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Well said Ozracer, really well said.
"YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS FOR THEIR WAY OF LIFE you live the life you want to and thats fine and i live mine the way i want to no judging required" Have to agree with that, great comment. |
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thanks jez lets hold our breath and see what reply comes to justify judging others......in response to that line i do believe an apology should be coming my way
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TQ why are you so anti religion and focused on the negatives? Can you not except FAITH can help people and improve their lives?
or are you just dirty with GOD because of the beating you got with the ugly stick? |
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 ROFLMAO |
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Never mind the ugly stick ... who cares about that ... I just had no idea of the intensity of the selfishness of the people here that I didn't like much anyway ...
I've finished in this thread, and probably on this forum ... |
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I really would like to know which countries you have visited.
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when you stop judging others you may get a better reception, just because all dont agree with you, you make assertions aka judgements on people unfairly then pack up and leave.....intolerance is nearly the king of evil.....off you go now
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Not engaging Shiraz ... if I mention them, I'm sure you'll say that's not enough, or ask me how long I was in each of them, or which parts I went to ... just not interested in that ...
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I think your main point on this thread TQ was not about asylum seekers or really about being selfless.
It's that you hate religion. Sure there are selfish people out there, but your suggestion that eradicating religion and eradicating faith in a "god" will solve the world's problem is just crazy. And the suggestion of sheep in suburbia, I mean, come on. Talk about stoke the flames. Of course you were going to get a reaction. But I think Ozracer's point about judging was spot on. You've been the first to rightly pick up on people who have unfairly and harshly judged you TQ and I've been one, which was poor form I admit. But maybe, just maybe you should think about the way your judging people for once, for example, on this thread. |
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Not sure why you would assume that. Actually I was curious to know why, if you have travelled to other cultures, you think it would be advantageous for them all to be governed in the same way?
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a very good question shiraz...
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Date Joined: 25 Oct 10 Add contact When: 21 Jul 11 01:35 and whether you think it's not appropriate for a woman to say whatever words or phrases is not my concern. I don't put my standards on anybody and I'm not going to care about other people's standards. huh?? ...your standard is one world govt no religion and anyone against is selfish.....but of course you dont put your standards on anyone do you? |
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ozracer got TQ on the standing 8 count.....
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Checkmate....ffs
Ozracer is on fire |
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Ozrazer 1 TQ 0
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Ozracer said: … [sarcastically] “yep its my duty to look after people the world over just for being an Australian” and then “I don’t owe anyone anything, period”
With regard to this comment I suggest that this is entirely the attitude that needs to be addressed. I am saying that I believe it is our duty as a rich society to help lift those up that have been knocked down or left behind. The fact that you seem to disagree with this is your prerogative, but I don’t see any of the World’s current issues, nor future ones being resolved for the sake of future generations with an attitude like that. It is, in my opinion a very similar attitude to that expressed by No_BS, and one agreed to by Live In Hope. As I see it, if the wealthy continue to get wealthier and disregard those that have slipped through the cracks, been born into poverty, or for whatever reason continue to find themselves at the bottom of the dunghill, no matter whether we are talking about a small rural community, a suburb of a major city, or differences between Countries, no problems will ever be solved, in fact current issues will just continue to deepen. To bury one’s head and suggest that if we stop the boats, it’ll become someone else’s problem, or to do anything other than trying to understand what is causing the problem is, again in my opinion, irresponsible, very naïve and selfish. Jez said: This thread isn't about asylum seekers or one world governance, it's about one person's absolute contempt for religion. We've all seen the trashing of Mother Teresa based on a few YouTube clips etc. I have already fleetingly responded to this by acknowledging that I believe that organised religion is responsible for many or the worlds issues. Very briefly, When one finds themselves outcast for what they know to be no fault of their own, they do soul-searching to understand who they are and why they are who they are. When they understand (as they always knew) that there is nothing wrong with them, they start to unpick at the threads of society to try and understand why society is casting them aside. There are many people who suffer through no fault of their own in life, for some it’s skin colour, for some it’s sexuality, for some it’s ethnicity, for some it’s even more remote and silly reasons. The reason I have experienced this suffering was because of my gender identity. That happens to be one of the mainstream society’s least understood differences and so for me to unpick at the threads of society only as far as ethnicity or skin colour wasn’t ever going to help. For me to make sense of things I had to pick away at everything down to the most fundamental assumptions about human kind, about biology, about historical things, about religion, and I can tell you that I went into this late in 2007 exploring religion and reading books about Buddhism. What I found when doing this unpicking was that many, many of the concepts that humans take for granted are indeed not naturally occurring but have been invented over time usually as a way of making things easier, but in some cases as a way of dividing and controlling. I found religious ideology to be at the core of almost all of these human inventions, and that’s why it is so difficult to encourage others to entertain the idea that many things that they take for granted may indeed be invented. Regardless of my personal findings, and I know there’ll be some that think that I undertook this task for self-justification purposes, but I challenge any one of them to admit to me that they are completely and utterly atheists and still think that. But regardless of this, I dislike the fact that religious organisations aren’t taxed, and their real estate wealth is extreme also. The second point on religion is that with the concepts that they have invented, many people in society, in my opinion, struggle in different ways to conform to some of the ideals, especially in regard to relationships. I’m not even talking anything other than heterosexuality here, because monogamy is not natural, and therefore forcing people to be monogamous is going to work for probably most, but others are going to struggle different amounts and so on this point alone you’ve found a reasonable reason for some domestic violence, for what most of you would call cheating, and when you throw in different sexualities and how much more prevalent they are in society, you start to see more fear and aggression as people struggle to keep a lid on these things so others don’t find out … anyway, you get my drift hopefully, the distortions that forced behaviour have on people will cause all sorts of bursting at the seams in so many different ways. So, much of the welfare and even some healthcare that is currently provided by the religious, is indeed caused by their own ideology, and those that never question, or never need to question whether many of the concepts that we take for granted are real or not, never seem to understand that. There is also the fact that many conflicts between nations or regions are rooted in religion, and last but not least, my real issue is that people that are most definitely religious rightly cast their votes at elections with religious ideology in mind, but so many that don’t know (agnostic) or those that don’t think about it or care, will vote along with the status quo, which means that the religious ideology that just exists in the world continues on without ever changing. My problem with the right is that they usually look only at symptoms and a typical response is to ban things, lock people away, in other words to get tough on law and order, instead of looking deeper which will present them with what is causing the problem, and then solutions could be applied to try and rid a problem from the root and not just the leaves. They are the reasons, briefly (believe it or not), that I will continue to do everything that I can, with whatever spare time I can devote to those issues, to help encourage change. Ozracer went on to say: Womble / TQ champion the reds again, one world Govt., you do as I say or else comrade … defies belief I have no answer for this type of immature response. Complete scaremongering which surely only scares the non-thinking people in society. More to come ... |
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Shiraz has asked a few times which countries I’ve visited and then elaborated to ask … ”Actually I was curious to know why, if you have travelled to other cultures, you think it would be advantageous for them all to be governed in the same way?”
I’ve been to Thailand, and you can probably guess why … But let me answer your question this way … I don’t know where you’re from, but I’m from Sydney, and grew up in the Sutherland Shire. Let’s say that a majority of people that live in Cronulla are young. Their needs and wants include improvements to nightclubs, licensing laws, beach restoration, and other things. Yet Engadine has a much older community with many people either baby boomer generation or older. Their needs are more service driven and (bloody hell) other things that older people want and need. Yet both groups of people in both different areas are governed by the same local council. It just happens that Sutherland Shire Council is divided into Ridings that offer a much more localised representation of the people to their local council. Meanwhile at Wilcannia, the issues of most importance out there are things to do with grazing, crop growing, keeping youth in the local area, indeed even the youth of Wilcannia have somewhat different needs than the youth of Cronulla. Yet both areas form parts of New South Wales and are governed by a State Government. A State Government divided into local councils which are further divided according to local areas. Likewise the people of Western Australia or Tasmania have vastly different needs to those in Cronulla or Wilcannia, yet they are all governed by an Australian Government, a National government divided into States … I don’t see why a World Government couldn’t be put in place to regulate some of the most basic of life’s necessities, decide things about the environment, basic education, legal systems, health care, and countries just remain in place, or merge if it is supported by the residents, to represent specific groups of people that have different needs. I really don’t see why that would be a problem unless for some reason a group of people specifically wanted to discriminate against other groups of people. Ultimately we are all people on one planet. Outsiders to that would giggle their tentacles off I’m sure to witness the divisiveness we’ve created for ourselves as a species because of imaginary lines on a map and imaginary gods. |
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If someone came up to you and said, I don't know you TQ from a bar soap,could you please lend me your car....Would you do it?
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Each to their own, I suppose, TQ.
Thanks for the lengthy response. I agree on some points, but disagree on others. On marriage. No one forced me to marry, it was not in a church. And I didn't feel pressured. I'd slept around plenty, don't you worry. I love my wife and I'm very content and happy with my way of life; Even if you find it uncomfortable and "unnatural". On the justice system. I agree in looking below the surface. The Left and Right in Australia tend to get caught up in "law and order" electioneering. I'd like to see the ideas put forward as an alternative to tough sentencing and our current system. Easy to bag the current system, but as I say, I'd like to see real alternatives put on the table. One last thing TQ......you say imaginary gods..... How do you know? Do you have proof? Has science proved there isn't a god? And if so, please don't tell me its based on a YouTube video |
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I'd say ... no, but I'd also want to know why they wanted to borrow my car, and how they asked me would make a difference too. If they were in a panic and looked like they needed help, I'd probably offer to drive them, dunno Lazza ... where are you going with this?
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It's not up to me to prove that there isn't one Jez ... If somebody came to me and claimed there was a teapot orbiting Mars, would it be up to me to disprove them?
But back to the politics ... human beings need politicians that make the hard decisions based on all the evidence, and when a tough decision is made for the benefit of future generations, we need those tough decisions to be made absolutely concrete and unable to be touched by the next government that knows they'll win an election if they vow to change things back. There are some things that are just too important to be political. The freedom, equality, environment, climate change, population, wars, health etc ... just too important to be made into political issues that pander to those that don't understand the science ... and I'm talking about all things here and not just climate change. |