If this has been '15 years of the worst Labor administrations this country has seen' why have they been in power for 15 years? I fully expect them to win the next election too.

You make a good point Joel, the Liberal party has kept Labor in power in NSW for last 15 years - the voters haven't had an alternative

I wouldn't know what to do if I lived in NSW - i would struggle big time to vote Labor so would have to try and elect a Green or Independent BUT Labor would be in front of the Liberal no matter what, i'd even vote informal before voting right wing if i had to!!!

I'm a Tasmanian at heart.

Spent my early years in Tasmania.  Left at 18.
Incredible environment.  Beautiful people.  An amazing place.

My parents are swinging voters.  My old man is becoming more of a conservative with old age - he continues to comment on the failings of Rudd-Gillard Labor - to which in 2007 he held much hope.

My Mum is a Labor voter. Staunch.  Always has been.
Tho she has abandoned the ALP.  She certainly would not vote Green.
She doesn't trust them.  She voted Liberal at the Tas election.

But Tasmania is a Labor state.  But not in the way you spin it, wombleoz.

You've called it a left wing voting state, which is incorrect.
Green support is high compared to other states/territories, but remember the Hare-Clark system makes life extremely GOOD for the Greens.  A point you conveniently forget.

My parents and my still-kicking grandfather are more or less ingrained Labor voters.  About the worker, the battler and a fair go.

I've had many a arguments with them all about the traditional values of the Liberals - and that these values and that of family and respecting the institutions and symbols that have stood the test of time - are not just preached (like the Labor Party) but are practiced by the Liberals in government.

My arguments fall on deaf ears.

Yet they're not interested in the wacky social agenda of The Greens or the multiple other extreme agendas hidden in the background.

I said to my grandfather at Christmas, will you be voting for Labor at the next federal election, his response, "my oath I will", with a wry smile.

I suggested to him, maybe he could, go Green.

He laughed and said Tasmanian's are by large working class Laborites, this is true, however, they are not looney tune lefties.

Even then, he acknowledged the harm the Green alliance is continuing to cause to the Labor brand in Tassie.  Whether the new female Premier will succeed or not, time will tell.

Interesting to see how the relationship (which was mates-rates under Bartlett-McKim) travels between Giddings-McKim - considering the ALP branch in Tasmania is champing at the bit to fk off at the Greens at the earlier opportunity.

Think the ALP and Libs are on the same page in terms of mutual hatred for The Greens.

Hare Clark is a fairer system?

Again you miss the point completely wombleoz.

You take a point and run it to the extreme.

My grandfather or my parents for that matter aren't the strong "left wing" voting base you refer to - you think they are - as are many Tasmanians.

They're working class Labor.  But they're becoming disenchanted.
Majorly.  You can scoff, mock and ignore, but its happening.  Not just in Tassie, but nationally.

I almost fell off my chair when Mum told me she voted for the Liberals.

As I say, you can't be told.  Your an extreme left winger driven by a dangerous ideology - its not about people, its about your extreme agenda hidden behind "koala cuddlers".

There's a reason why Bartlett has thrown the towel in Tasmania - and its not because the Labor-Green Coalition is so successful

Ffs, you think NSW Labor deserve re-election based on, well, based on nothingness.  Debt, scandal and CORRUPTION.  And wombleoz says, stick with em for another 4 years.  They're not perfect, but thats ok.

  Credibility meltdown, womble, seriously.

Let me say one last thing before I take a bit of break from the forum (but I will return well and truly in time for that special Saturday in March).....

Can I say how utterly disgusted I am in the contemptuous behaviour of NSW Labor and namely, Treasurer Roozendaal and Premier Keneally.

The ruthless Labor NSW machine has completely and thoroughly squandered and acted  the state power assets sale.

All about politics, a potential sale under the Coalition could reap a $15-20b deal for NSW - and clearly the NSW Labor machine, as does the ALP broadly, have decided "whatever it takes".

"Power, AT ANY COST" - in this case, the people of NSW have paid hard for this. 

NSW Labor couldn't bare the thought of a Coalition government undertaking a successful sell-off and any far-fetched political benefits.

Can I say, what a fkn absolute and utter disgrace.
Shame on Keneally, shame on Roozendaal and shame on NSW Labor.

What dispicable governance, with pure contempt for the NSW people.

This is the sort of politics, wombleoz and the comrades enjoy.
Who gives a rats about the people.  As long as we stay in power.

Again, its "at any cost". 

P.S - you want to try and spin this and try and cast blame similarly on the Coalition, look at the economic position left behind by the Howard Government to Labor in 2007 - a stronger, prouder and more prosperous nation.

Labor (and lets not start on the Greens) have no morals.
It's about power, not people.  It's power at any cost.
Whatever it takes.

Have to agree with you Jez. Wombles post is one of the more ridiculous ones that has appeared on this forum. If you have the capacity to vote against the party that you support, on the grounds that their performance does not deserve your continued support, then that's a good thing.

Those that can't bring themselves to vote against the party that they "love" irrespective of how bad they are, are not only blinkered biased, but they do a disservice to their State and the Country. After all, if the opposition, whichever party they are, don't perform when they come into Government, you have the democratic right, 4 years at a State level, 3 years Federally, to kick them out.

Being blind to a disgraceful performance of a Government, just because you have always voted for them, is the height of stupidity. Frankly, it's a waste of time trying to have a reasoned and reasonable discussion with people like that. So I don't.

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the change is coming, Green Day is almost here

wtf Sidey

I'd be happy if they pass either major party or alternatively pick up the BOP in both houses in their own right but i'm patient and will wait

Enjoy Venezuala Jez, heading over for a look at socialism in action [;)]

Enjoy either way

Jez, regarding the Greens.

My assessment of them is as follows.

They are a lunatic ultra left wing party, that make all sorts of statements, none of which are based on facts, and appeal to the lowest common denominator of our youth, as well as the do gooders, who believe that you should never give an unruly child a kick in the arrrrse, let everyone who commits a crime get out on probation, never hang child sex killers, hate America and Western Society, but wouldn't go and live in Iran, and, who would never build a dam, and cry about climate change while driving their gas guzzlers and like Al Gore, another hypocrite, fly everywhere.

They are a pack of hypocrites that will eventually be found out and become irrelevant. However, this won't happen until the two major parties Libs and labour, can present a set of policies to the public that the will give the public the confidence they need to ensure that either party has the balance of power in both houses. The two majors need to show the same guts that Baillue showed in Victoria, and say that they will not do preference deals with those maggots and will attempt to win Government in their own right.

The trouble is, that power corrupts and that the desire for power makes parties get into bed with the craaap that is the Greens. I hope that in my lifetime, they will become as obsolete as the D.L.P. who played havoc with Australian politics for 30 years.

We'll see what happens - the move by the liberals in Victoria has changed the dynamic and will make it harder(woohoo) but it's not even close to the end for the Greens who we will see the best of after July 1- agree there they will open everyones eyes up to the looneyness that abounds within them and will ensure tony gets in sooner rather than later

Labor NSW's campaign slogan:

"Protecting Jobs.  Supporting Families"




This probably belongs in the Joke of the Day thread.

I am so excited about 26 March 2011.

Time to make NSW, number one again. 

Beg your pardon, wombleoz?

I recall its Keneally Labor that has had a fire sale with the state's power assets in one of the most blatant political dog acts ever witnessed in the state.

Short memories you Socialists.

Labor are actually DOING IT, yet you still accuse and vilify the Liberals and they're not even in power yet.  Wake up, morons.

Desperate wombleoz, desperate.

Alright for Labor, not alright for the Liberals.

NSW Labor has just ripped the NSW taxpayers off by billions for political advantage - and all you socialists can muster is a pathetic scare campaign on the Liberals being WORSE. 

Sad political sphere you live in wombleoz - and disturbing.

The most hardened right-wing Liberal vs The Green's / Socialist Alliance......................

I'd suggest your ideology-fuelled extremists are more of a concern for this nation, than the Liberals, oh and the other right wing party in this nation - Family First.  ffs

Where did I say that, wombleoz? 

Lets not go making things up.

You suggested in a post, on this place, that the extreme elements of the Right are far more scarier than that of the Left.

Which is nonsense.

In Australia we're talking about:

Hard right-wing Liberals vs The Greens/Socialist Alliance Parties

I think I know which has the most extreme elements and is purely, and I say again, PURELY driven by ideology.

You can't pick and choose wombleoz.

North Korea is a socialist society.

I'm simply pointing out the product of your cause.