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Mother & Wife say : " You have F - All say, In what we do "
Mother & Wife say : " You have F - All say, In what we do "
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On this subject, any chance Murrihy and co would actually like to review Shinn's rides, especially in January and February this year? How many times did he miss the start on a favourite?
The "we always tried" line. Yeah, sure you did. |
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what about stewards, I know of one ex Chief Steward (not saying where) that loved a punt, even on the local races where he worked.
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Fk em if they're found betting against their mounts give them 10 years each
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by the very nature of this game i would say it was near impossible to have stewards, jockeys, callers, track staff etc who would not be tempted to have a bet.
Bit like an alcoholic working on the beer bottling production line. |
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Agree they should get put out for lengthy period but Shinn mustn't be much of a punter. One race they quoted in this mornings paper he had $2.5k on a 1.80 chance that ran 2nd.
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Without commenting specifically on the present situation I believe that racing will continue to go backwards unless wrongdoers in all forms whether they be jockeys, trainers, punters, strappers, vets etc. who are essentially fraudsters are jailed.
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Thats why racing is doomed Judge. People believe they are being ripped off and they will eventually move on as they already are to other gambling products.
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 clean sports like cricket and soccer. imo |
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and tennis of course
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pete v'landys is about to solve all this ... with the punter (ultimately) paying up the extra 1½% race fields levy
... prizemoney goes up ... jockeys fees and winning percentages goes up .... and no one in nsw EVER does the wrong or naughty things again for the rest of their lives ... thanks pete i now see where you are coming from rnsw a fkn joke overseeing a fkn joke group ... and in all this nothing ever mentioned about the nsw jock pace cartel that ruled the roost in races about 18 months ago |
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Ask the person in the street what is more suss out of racing, tennis, cricket, afl,soccer,darts,two up,stockmarket,etc and see what reply you get. In reality the sharemarket is probably the most corrupt out of everything on the basis that corruption follows the money but its the perception that counts and on that basis racing is in a league of its own.
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and in all this nothing ever mentioned about the nsw jock pace cartel that ruled the roost in races about 18 months ago
Thebas tell us more - I've got my own thoughts on the hot jockeys in Sydney and they're all leading riders. IMO old Ray Murrihy has weakened noticeably in the last few years and given up trying to label jocks for hooking one. |
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cheers hate_working ... i had my own ideas on this ... and no-one was ever held to a question from stewards ... the most dangerous thing about it was when they pulled up in front the flow on effect behind was certain to see falls at some point
and in fact the only 'pinged' (imo) ... was when they tried to break the cartel operation ... by setting off from behind in an acceleration that ultimately gave their horse little hope of maintaining the burst to the finish ... with maybe their stablemate getting the final shot at the ALLOWED 'soft' leader "boat races" are so named originally because they behave likes boats following each other ... no one passes another and no one challenges the leading boat ... a big advantage if you are the leader and no-one ever takes you on ... with a final 6 in 34 and few can make up the lengths from behind to catch you those 'boat' races were in my mind happening in favour of the very biggest stables in nsw ... the minnows didn't get a look in ... i have had others disagree with this ... and i accept their point of view ... but when i was watching it was clear as a bell to me lol |
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This is an old chestnut that will always surface as long as the sun rises.If this was Hong Kong what would be the result?
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porridge.
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In Australia - pancakes
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Tossed and rolled but still sugar coated
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Give them a chance, we shoud be more worried about those in charge.
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Maybe you guys will get off Nikolic's back now always thought there had to be a reason a rider as talented as Shinn rode so many bad races resulting in mistakes most apprentices wouldnt make.
Probably they'll will let them off lightly because at least they were putting the turnover through the Tab and not the corporates or betfair. Pete might even applaud them for doing so. |
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here here LE
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DJ, completely coincidental.
Shinn took his standard of riding to a new low in that period, or is that high? We will never know, either way. I loved the ride he gave when he let McEvoy have both the inside and lead on a track that was favouring both those things at Rosehill. Being caught betting on your own horse should see a long ban when it is against the rules. Betting against your own horse should result in a life ban. Never mind, I'm sure we will make sure Shinn and Robl are going to be back for when V'Landy's shares the cake out. (If he keeps the cake that he currently has, that is) |
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*Never mind, I'm sure Shinn and Robl are going to be back for when V'Landy's shares the cake out. (If he keeps the cake that he currently has, that is)
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If corrupt behavior has taken place then surely it must be grounds for banning the TAB and tote betting.
That's what people call for if something dodgy happens on betfair isn't it? |
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The person I'm most concerned for is Kathy O'hara and that she could be tainted by all this - Kathy, if you need to get away and a change of scene, I'm here for you
 Naturally I'll let her keep riding [;)] |
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you are a really kind hearted cnut, wombie..........IMO.
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a 3 month holiday and a hefty fine i would reckon
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Hopefully some of these monkeys will sh!t themselves and this might put a stop to some of the rorts (big punters influencing jockeys is a big one) in Sydney (for a while) and we'll see everyone trying and consistant true form.
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Fworkn......Fdreamn
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Robly really only made an error in judgement, he should have worn a moustache and elevated shoes when he went for a bet.
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I actually anticipated that move Judgey....and cashed in too [;)]
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Layers..Doggy..Lazza ..Sweech
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The idea of a bet register for jockeys makes sense.
At least then punters can factor the jocks bets into their decision making. ie. If the jock on the Fav. has put 3K on the 2nd Fav. then punters will know not to expect an overly aggressive ride. |
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The idea of a bet register for jockeys makes sense.
At least then punters can factor the jocks bets into their decision making. ie. If the jock on the Fav. has put 3K on the 2nd Fav. then punters will know not to expect an overly aggressive ride. WHAT A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT...back high.........maybe u said with tongue in cheek |
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looks like they're only catching the ones putting em thru the family accounts
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This "incident" has really put these two blokes into the category of total incompetence. I have yet to meet a jockey who didn't bet. But what sort of fkn idiot do you have to be, to have family members, WHO ARE FKN LICENSED, to do it for you. They deserve all they get. No, not for betting, you would have to be totally naive if you thought that jockeys don't bet, but for getting caught.
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Shock horror a huge surprise, jockeys bet!!!
Tell us soemthing we don't know. Here's a radical thought let them bet they're betting is monitored ie mobile phones, bank accounts,computers etc, they can even bet against their mount if they think its not competitive but if they even look sideways anything remotely suspicious when they're riding in a race in which they've bet against their own mount no ifs no buts a year's disqualification effectively immediately ,next similar offence five years disqualification, next similar offence ten years disqualification, no appeals, no stays of proceedings. Deny them their livelihood and any form of incomefrom their profession immediately and you might have some hope of effectively controlling racing furthermore all their betting has to be done 30 min prior to the race start and the public are notified of whats bets they've had, yes I know it takes a bit of work and logistics, a considerable capital investment and a radical re think of the way racing is controlled but it could work and the benefits of presenting aarguably clean racing would be immense. Every jockey is obligated to sign a contract stating this and that they obey these licensing conditions and if they refuse to sign this agreement they're immediately refused a licence to ride in Australia and will contine to be refused a licence to ride until they agree to sign the said contract. eactively foster their betting on their mount at least it may increase turnover. |
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please letselope....let a monkey bet against his own mount thats a more ridiculous statement that backhigh
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Its said a little tongue in cheek but with the monitoring capabilities these days, its not beyond the possibility of working and when caught you make it so unbearable, so financially painful that its not worth them doing it, the same goes for stewards and racings officials, trainers etc its part of their terms of employment, their licensing conditions you make it so unpalatable for them to even think about any wrong doing thats it not worth their while.
The current system isn't working it's going to require a radical change in the way racing is controlled to resolve this issue. |