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after reading the uncle thread many memories came back to me.
so lets hear your stories and ask a few questions.
lets see who remembers ?


One day meeting,very late 70's / early 80's.
the betting ring was full with bookies and punters..
just prior to a race a whistle sounds..
punters jump out of trees to plunge on a horse.
horse did not win, ran 3rd i think.
what track was it at ?
name horse ?
name trainer ?
lets see who knows !!


all welcome to join in.HappyHappy
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Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 11:36 AM BST
N Welsh
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 11:36 AM BST
Neville Welsh was always referred to as Capt snooze
Report juzzybee. September 9, 2010 11:38 AM BST
yes that was n shinn judge
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 11:40 AM BST
N Shinn
always know as the drover!!

always out wide rounding them up

perhaps should have been know as the Abortionist because of the number of babies he murdered
Report Luck September 9, 2010 11:50 AM BST
Gilarion died early, he was going to be a superstar. Try and watch his win in the NSW breeders plate over Dream Prince and Vansagent, haven't seen much better, just amazing.

N Welsh did drive Deans special a few times, but i reckon he was gone by then(the horse). Otherwise Son of Nancy, Murray Mac, alphalite,  Rundale(won 3 trotters derbies)
Report Luck September 9, 2010 11:50 AM BST
Galarion
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 11:58 AM BST
Dean's spec was the 1 I was thinking of
Report tyre kicker September 9, 2010 12:02 PM BST
Deans Special D Ritchie ?
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 12:06 PM BST
Yes
Report Luck September 9, 2010 12:17 PM BST
Deans Special what a horse. He won the 4yo champ at the valley, sat wide and blew them away. Speedy heystebury ran second, in the beaten brigade was Frosty Imp, Arunga hanover, Lea Sands and many other top horses. He toyed with them.

Deans Special then returned a positive swab from this race, I was devastated and still am 30 yrs later. CryCry
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 12:20 PM BST
Lea sands
Boofa Innes

Great horse
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 12:23 PM BST
So whats that to you?LaughConfused
Report tyre kicker September 9, 2010 12:27 PM BST
Bookmakers and the good horses they owned :-
Stan(Tim)Wade
Ralph Woods
Rob Molloy
Hutchy
Arthur White
J Dorrington
J Badewitz(relatives)
Others ?
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 12:37 PM BST
JD
did he ever have a real god horse?

Chiefley
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 9, 2010 12:38 PM BST
Angus Robertson

would not put 20 cents into the pony ride for his kids

The G in Angus is silent IMHO
Report tyre kicker September 9, 2010 12:39 PM BST
Jotto ?
Report who_meee September 9, 2010 1:06 PM BST
bank on a touch down
Report who_meee September 9, 2010 1:06 PM BST
5 words trained by d wills have not read all of it yet to know if was answered!!!!
Report who_meee September 9, 2010 1:15 PM BST
luck need a name change to GOOGLE
Report gunyah September 9, 2010 2:20 PM BST
I am enjoying the talk of the past.
hey double dribble..
where r your stories ??
over 150 posts now !!!!!Laugh
Report trotman September 9, 2010 3:22 PM BST
Can someone please confirm for me where Capt Snooze got his nickname ?

I remember a funny story told to me from a colleague from the west ...

But hoping for corroborration ?
Report gunyah September 9, 2010 4:56 PM BST
if it was from westozzie it may be true.
i do not know.
i always thought it was because he went to sleep on plenty !!
Report Halyer September 9, 2010 6:03 PM BST
Spot on WM, Bank On A Touch Down it was

Enjoying reading this stuff. The amount of knowledge some people have on here is amazing
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON September 9, 2010 6:10 PM BST
Sad but worth a look Cry

Keep scrolling down for pics

http://www.austadiums.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=85&start=15
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON September 9, 2010 6:19 PM BST
kept the racebook from the last night at the Valley, has some good info / historical race winners etc, but also full fields and results from opening night Sat 30th Oct 1976 if anyone has a query [;)]btw Tan Heel ran 2nd in the opening event

Question, when did they stop racing at the showgrounds? overlap?
Report grandstand driver September 9, 2010 9:31 PM BST
when the show was on.
they ran some R races while the show was on.
Report Luck September 10, 2010 12:44 AM BST
Interesting the over 80year chap named Stow bought for the Gath's Apre Ski and Gallant Rebel in the early 70's. For huge money at the time. Apre Ski $80k, was a great buy, and Gallant Rebel $100k, disastrous buy.
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 1:54 AM BST
bookies owning horses or parteniship
tim wade/ bob mason ...wynvale trainer danny hoban but icould be wrong it started with  w
r woods .... take yu pick had a stack good horses with knights/peace /bulldog
r  molloy..... same had heap winners diff stable [but loved BULLDOG]
hutchy .clearly GREAT...owned over 100  horses had hes own  private trainer les adams and farm 
j dorrington / acko  /hutchy.  HOKUM 
badewitz....knight templar... he had a busload of horses so did his nephew with g morgan. 
phil nott.... OFF THE OLD  another that would owned over 100 horses
myself  chokin /thor lobell..of ralp/ robs good horse they had plenty
it would be interesting to hear wha/t you thoughts.. hope this helps
Report themaster007 September 10, 2010 2:13 AM BST
Vince McDonald (owner of SleazyBet) owns or owned some good horses: Smokin Up, Smooth Cruza, Phantoms Guest, Larado, Jimmy Cowan, Our Malabar and also owns plenty of dingos too.
Report Luck September 10, 2010 2:48 AM BST
Elsu you left off that you owned Persistency, who if he had sound legs could have been an absolute star. Still managed to win 28 races and $500k.

And the much famed Cable Car, who Vinnie thought was going to be another superstar.
Report uncleee September 10, 2010 3:11 AM BST
you owned chokin???
Report tyre kicker September 10, 2010 3:24 AM BST
Yes Wynvale Danny Hoban thanks elsu
Arthur White had horses with John Ryan - Morgan & a couple of others ?
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 3:57 AM BST
unclee  the late bob knight and myself  brought  chokin we were th 2nd owners 50% each
the deal was done at the FLOWER DRUM restraunt  in melb  we later sols a share to pacers australia [mark hoare ] it raced here in our names we took to sth /ust and after campaigning there it went to the GAWLER DEBY and was beaten by BONAMAX i had 30k on it at 1/5 yes a $1.20
came back to vic toria won the heat of the derby easily i had 3 ..3yos at the time they were in the same race that it won  chokin/fellas pride [with partners ]and mark appolo they ran 1.2.3
sadly 2 days before the derby the short price fav he was injured and was SCRATCHED i was  sharrtered the other 2 ran unplaced then later in the year sa a 3yo he got the  invite to MIRACLE MILE . CHOKED DOWN AND FELL  ...WE THEN DECIDED TO TAKE HIM TO NZ for the big races
and to be trained by barry purdon he won a few big races the done a tendon ..
i was made a very good offer after about  6 mnths  in hes spelling paddock for my now 1/4 share
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 4:01 AM BST
LUCK cable car was good 2yo we were offered $150 k by the bond corporation and knocked it back
never came back as a3yo and ended up ord horse
PERSISTENCY  was a very good horse but was plagued by injury it ran in final of the inter in QLD AND WON KILMORE CUP.
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 4:11 AM BST
but THOR LOBELL will always get the nod as my best horse [ chokin i had bailledout then he became a starr soon as i done that]
thor lobell best season gos  like this
1 won cranbourne cup [beating GAMMALITE ]
2 won ballarat cup
3 won bendigo cup [sat in the brezze]
4 ran 3rd in MIRACLE MILE [doubleagent i think]
5 ran 2nd in the INTERDOMION to gammalite
so 3 of our biggest cups in 1 season and placings in miracle mile and interdomion gives him the nod
Report tyre kicker September 10, 2010 4:35 AM BST
K Linsell had him originally ? Did he cost much ?
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 4:48 AM BST
thats right  TYREKICKER  we paid 60k
most says he was miles 2 dear but he ended up a bargain ireckon it was $48 k for running 2nd in the inter
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 4:56 AM BST
but the  unlucky story on this thread
was KNIGHTP  had almost had  popular alm brought while negotions were still going on vinny moved in.. and made them offer and they took it..immeditaely ..in my opion  POPULARM ARM is the best pacer ive seen
Report tyre kicker September 10, 2010 5:00 AM BST
Would be the equivalent 300k - 400k now so was a lot.What mark was he on when you got him?
Report uncleee September 10, 2010 5:08 AM BST
would be 160k in todays standard
but prizemoney has gone up about 40% above inflation
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 5:12 AM BST
not sure prob .c 5  or 6
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 5:38 AM BST
gallant rebel 100k  and apre ski 80k they  were brought in the  mid 70s
i cant remember but at a guess thorlobell mid 80s
but in those DAYS  you could get on for plenty daily doubles pool held $100k  and plenty of  bookies that had opions  rails off the fence and upstairs some of the wins and losses i use to have were staggering  the form bookies back then were
hutchy/ woods/ ray thompson/ molloy/ jim hynds jnr/ dorrington [he had ackos market]/neil loughlin/wade/ ted marrantelii... they were very hard to beat they went to trials and were very good judges
gary walsh would give yu agood bet also phil nott also k macnaughton  roger craig  frank hudson /danyy crimmins/  upstair market place bruce andrew was monstrous better.. and so was leo cullen.. but now its middle tabb and betfair and fixed odss but lucky i  escaped with something
from the 80s and moved to qld in 89.  but get back 3 or 4 times a year  for the big races
Report tyre kicker September 10, 2010 5:45 AM BST
Bruce Andrew's son could twirl them out while dad was on holidays. Terry ? I think.
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 5:47 AM BST
yes and especially if he had a couple drinks between races
Report Village Kid September 10, 2010 5:48 AM BST
elsu you're not the only one still in shock that Bonamax beat the mighty Chokin, remember it like yesterday
didn't you also own (for a while) another of my all time top 10 FRANCO ICE
Franco Ice and Chokin were equine headline makers, couldn't wait to buy the harness weekly to get the latest!!
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 5:48 AM BST
tyre kicker were yu a bookie or bookies clerk back then owner????
Report tyre kicker September 10, 2010 5:55 AM BST
No Elsu just a Sat night punter - needed a real job!
Report elsu. September 10, 2010 6:23 AM BST
yes village kid HE WAS A STARR
but i only got 3 runs out of him paid 60k for 1/4 share
he had 1 win and 2 placings for me and then broke down
however ive got the trophy  somwhere  at home say  HORSE OF THE YEAR with my name on it
dont worry chokin/ franco ice were better horses the thor lobell but i wernt in them at there top when they won races so i made myself  INELIGIBLE
Report Halyer September 10, 2010 6:34 AM BST
Still the best race I have ever seen - Franco Ice v Westburn Grant in the QPC I think it was
Report Village Kid September 10, 2010 7:09 AM BST
cheers elsu, I was lucky I was onto Franco Ice early on and backed him when he won an Inter heat, think he paid $17 but not 100% on that, he was an excitement machine
Report who_meee September 10, 2010 12:38 PM BST
do have a copy of the frost n ice video somewhere was lucky enough to be in wa that night when frost and westburn grant both won heats of the cup just after frosts tragedy
Report Lloydy Trots Man September 10, 2010 2:15 PM BST
Wow,
Elsu i remember Cable Car.
Was the 1st night i ever went to the Trots.
My Uncle had horses with Mick Hayes (Still does) Had Pride of Hilary in i had 50c E/W my only bet for the night and my 1st ever bet was on Pride of Hilary and im sure she beet Cable Car.
Report elsu. September 11, 2010 12:06 AM BST
yes llyody pride of hilay was a darn good 2yo[michael hayes]
he won the sth /derby beating cable car
Report Lloydy Trots Man September 11, 2010 12:26 AM BST
Has a great Record Michael.
Has a bout 7 horses in work now a Privite trainer for somebody but still trains a Trotter for my Uncle. It the reason i got involved with the Horses.
Blue Chi[ Fella was another one that used to go allright for him

Lloydy
Report themaster007 September 11, 2010 2:04 AM BST
I remember the NIGHT, Pride Of Hilary was 1/10 at MV and the driver got his pants fully pulled down by UNCLE. Can anyone name the horse? It was a Sydney horse?
Report who_meee September 11, 2010 7:06 AM BST
woof woof woofer karamea
Report themaster007 September 11, 2010 7:55 AM BST
correct Wooffer Karamea
Report who_meee September 11, 2010 11:36 AM BST
think that was galaxy final and uncle drove both fillies and colts winners that year
Report twopercent September 14, 2010 4:16 PM BST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSp5QympWLM

at 2.39/4.52 of this Midnight Oil filmclip (Power and the Passion) is a KNIGHT horse winning at Moonee Valley...can someone tell me which horse it is?

I am guessing it was POPPY winning the 1982 Winfield Cup but I was only 10 and can't be sure, tx in advance
Report Luck September 14, 2010 4:37 PM BST
Correct Winfield Cup but Dec 83, Poppy beating Gammalite and Royal Three
Report Village Kid September 14, 2010 4:51 PM BST
Elect To Live (set that time in the Aust Derby, she won the NSW and Great Northern Oaks)

Neil Brady (original trainer of Franco Ice)
Report Village Kid September 14, 2010 4:53 PM BST
sorry was reading the wrong page, that question has been answered
Report Village Kid September 14, 2010 4:54 PM BST
which pacer has the Australasian record for the most consecutive wins in open class and how many was it?
Report trotman September 14, 2010 10:51 PM BST
Just guessing ... was it San Simeon ?  or Lucky Creed ?
Report trotman September 14, 2010 10:53 PM BST
New Question : which pacer holds the record for getting to the highest Metropolitan Assessment ? - so we're talking M? in relatively the modern day.
Report Lloydy Trots Man September 15, 2010 12:16 AM BST
Blacks a Fake.
And Boys he is back will win everything again went around in a slow 1.53 the other day
Report Village Kid September 15, 2010 1:01 AM BST
Village Kid won 19 races in a row in open class between 20/2/1987 and 13/2/1988 (5 group ones and two group twos)
Report Village Kid September 15, 2010 1:10 AM BST
who was the legendary Kiwi horseman who was a champion jockey and driver.  He drove NZ Cup winners and rode the winner of the NZ gallops cup and Derby.  He also drove an Inter winner and won Auckland Cups.  His son was also a legendary driver who won several NZ Cups.  The family is NZ trotting royalty and are still involved in the sport.
Report themaster007 September 15, 2010 1:13 AM BST
Barry Purdon........... won the NZ Elephant Derbies and Cups..... As well as NZ Cup with Chokin....... LOL
Report Village Kid September 15, 2010 1:18 AM BST
lmao, go big bazza
Report Luck September 15, 2010 5:03 AM BST
Freeman Holmes, but I cheated.

Free Holmes

From Wikipedia,


Free Holmes was a driver of standardbred racehorses in New Zealand, possibly the most famous that New Zealand has ever had. He was known as "The Grand Old Man of Trotting". He is notable for being both a champion driver and formerly a champion jockey too! He won a unique double of the New Zealand Cup in 1888 for thoroughbreds, at Riccarton, riding Manton, and in 1919 driving Trix Pointer to win the NZ Trotting Cup at the Addington Raceway. [1] As a jockey, he also won the 1894 Grand National Hurdles and 1895 Great Northern Hurdles and Steeplechase with Liberator. [2] He also won two Auckland Trotting Cups.

"Old Free" as he was reverently known in the trotting fraternity was also an expert in the management of thoroughbred horses. He successful raced, trained and owned horses both over the fences and on the flat. He also rode and drove trotters. [3] His son Maurice Holmes was also a driving legend.
[edit] Major wins

    * 1936 Inter Dominion Pacing Championship Evicus
    * 1935 Auckland Trotting Cup Graham Direct
    * 1934 Auckland Trotting Cup Roi L'Or
    * 1932 New Zealand Free For All Roi L'Or
    * 1922 New Zealand Free For All Trix Pointer
    * 1919 New Zealand Trotting Cup Trix Pointer
    * 1888 New Zealand Cup Manton (this was a Thoroughbred race)
    * 1888 New Zealand Derby Manton (this was a Thoroughbred race)

Maurice Holmes

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Maurice Holmes (1909-1998) was a driver of standardbred racehorses in New Zealand. "Morrie" Holmes [1] was associated with many champions and was a leading driver of harness horses in New Zealand. His father Free Holmes was also a driving legend.

Due to his skill, Maurice Holmes was known as "the Maestro". As at 1998, he was the most successful reinsman in the history of trotting of New Zealand dating back to the 1860s. He had driven 1666 winners and amassed $2,054,555 in stake money over the last 49 years. [2]

Holmes drove a total of 1666 winners, in an age where there were not so many opportunities. His long career lasted from 1925 to 1974, and a career spanning 44 years at the top. On his very last night at the Alexandra Park Raceway, he drove 4 winners from 8 starters.
Report Village Kid September 15, 2010 5:39 AM BST
well googled Luck

I think it was Free Holmes who had a famous quote "anyone not giving their horse a tincture of opium before a race is mad"........those were the days!
Report trotman September 15, 2010 2:42 PM BST
Highest Metro assessment is not Blackie

The one I'm thinking of got to M51
Report Village Kid September 15, 2010 3:55 PM BST
SOKYOLA
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 12:20 AM BST
Lowest city asessment

Paleface adios IMHO
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 12:23 AM BST
I think this is how it went.

Paleface got to about an m35 horse

City horses where I think 2.21 horses (theoretically could run a mile in 2.21)
paleface won that many metro fronts he got to about an 0.35.0 horse
Could run a mile in 35 seconds (theoretically)
each win representing a second

I was at cranbourne the day he won his 100th race.
still have the slip from the bookies board somewhere
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 12:26 AM BST
about an m80 in modern terms
Report themaster007 September 16, 2010 12:45 AM BST
It's Blacks A Fake, and that has come from a handicapper that reads this space.
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 12:57 AM BST
With all due respect

It is not unknown for a harness race offical to be wrong, or me for that matterBlush

Blacks won 62 races to date, it looks like BAF won 15 races B4 it's M.0.win (giving it a max of 47 metro wins)
It won a 15,000 race at albion c2-c5 final for which it would have recieved a metro assessment 12/11/05
Paleface won 108 (no doubt many up the bush)
But i am confident it won many more than 60 metro assessed races

Unfortunately it is hard to find records for paleface

I would think there may not be much in it
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 1:01 AM BST
sorry 6 of thsoe wins appear to be trails so add 6 wins to possible metro assesment

BAF poss M53
Report themaster007 September 16, 2010 1:02 AM BST
YOU ASKED FOR (M) Class....... Paleface won 68 races that in this day would be Country Fronts (C), the rest where Metro Fronts (M). And you guys did ask for modern time....... CORRECT
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 1:12 AM BST
Paleface is modern times
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 1:56 AM BST
where did you find Palefaces record?? s'il vous plaît

YOU ASKED FOR (M) Class....... Paleface won 68 races that in this day would be Country Fronts (C), the rest where Metro Fronts (M). And you guys did ask for modern time....... CORRECT

108 wins 68 country fronts =m40 ---baf m38
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 2:36 AM BST
Village Kid won 93 races, didn't race as a 2yo, only won three times as a 3yo.......didn't race through the classes as he had two country front wins before his first Metro 4yo race.....would have retired at least an M70
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 2:39 AM BST
Gammalite won 94 races but he had 19 more starts
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 2:42 AM BST
may be close betwee the 2

Which standard bred horse won the most races in Australia/NZ??

Was there a hosrse called Cane Toad that won a stack of races?

VK my daughter called into a 2nd hand book shop the other day and bought me a book called BIG BUM by Donald P Evans.
have you read it?
Not much of a reader myself, but am really into it.
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 2:43 AM BST
Gammalite was well performed at 2/3 i believe?
Report Luck September 16, 2010 3:00 AM BST
Barney, Lol, Cane Smoke won 120races mostly less than country fronts, won about $80k.


Gammalite was a star at every age 2, 3 til he retired.

At 2 won the Group one Edgar Tatlow, which back then was the equivalent of a sires or breeders crown. Was touched off by Crystal Glenmar and Out for glory, in a couple of others. He also won a race at 2,3 &4 at geelong called the british insurance pace or something and collected a $50k bonus.

At 3 Won the SA derby beating Poppy then ran a place in all the mainland derbies that he contested: WA, Aust derbies(behind San Simeon, Vic derby(under a cloud), NSW derby( Action Advice) and Qld Derby (quambys Pride).
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 3:36 AM BST
barney, lucky I know who "big bum" is cos I really don't want to google it!!!!

Bret Hanover, arguably the greatest pacer of them all, Cardigan Bay was one of very few horses to beat him
never seen the book, would be a great read
Report trotman September 16, 2010 3:51 AM BST
SHATTERING CLASS got to M51

Now that should win you a beer in the pub one night :-)

Pretty spooky how his name predicts his achievement.
Report trotman September 16, 2010 4:58 AM BST
STOP PRESS
It is in fact the great VILLAGE KID M85
Looks like I'm buying my own .. again.
That's a long way better than the next best.
Bradmanlike in fact !
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 5:32 AM BST
that's no surprise to me!!!!!
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 5:33 AM BST
how did I not know that Cry

well horses can't read I suppose [;)]
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 9:08 AM BST
well goes to show I choose my forum name well....I didn't copy mine from some old bag called Judy Laugh
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 9:10 AM BST
oh no, I've done a STS, chose not choose.....double embarrassment Cry
Report Village Kid September 16, 2010 1:11 PM BST
good choice.....or should it be choice bro
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 16, 2010 2:49 PM BST
themaster007   
It's Blacks A Fake, and that has come from a handicapper that reads this space.

Tell your handicapper that by forum reckoning he runs about 27th.
How unusual a Harness racing offical with no fcking idea.


Sh1t i hope I don't have to apoligise for thsi.[:(]
Report themaster007 September 16, 2010 10:25 PM BST
Barney.......... i was only passing on message...... lol
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 17, 2010 6:40 AM BST
Master 

Only enter into dialogue with those you can either instruct or those you can learn from.

Harness racing officals dont fit either catagory Cool
Report themaster007 September 17, 2010 1:15 PM BST
Agree..... Barney
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