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Jez Melb Punter
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Ladies and Gentleman,

As we enter the final stretch in the campaign, I figured it was time to formally create an OFFICIAL election day thread for the massive day, the 21st August 2010.

Best to get this thread warmed up nice and early.

Plenty of fascinating polling to be released over the next 8 days, not to mention the BIG one that counts!

Who will wrestle control of the House of Representatives?

Will the Green's take the balance of power in the Senate?

Will Maxine McKew hold on to Bennelong?

So many questions!  The countdown begins from here.
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Report Jez Melb Punter September 5, 2010 10:54 AM BST
Figures Wombleoz?

Remember 2007?  When Rudd got in?
The comrades submitted their policies for costings at 10pm on election eve.

Hypocracy of the highest fkn order.

The Coalition naturally don't have the resources of an entire government department nor were they given multiple details from Treasury, when they requested it - obviously they are not in government.

HAH!  The good guys you say?

The same good guys that blew billions on botched school projects.
The same good guys that blew a billion on a deadly insulation program.
The same good guys that have blown the surplus and are digging us into deeper debt.
The same good guys that 9 weeks ago executed a first term Prime Minister.

The above is actual facts.  Not perpetuated spin/lies.  It has(and is still)happened after just one single term of Labor, its not speculation or what if's (like you specialise in over the Coalition) its the cold, hard facts - now that's what I would certainly define as amatuerish, Wombleoz.

If the chronic spinfest and pure soaking desperation of the ALP, lead to them retaining government tomorrow, I doubt that over Labor's 119-year history this would be one of the fkn highlights Wombleoz - this is the lowest of lows for Labor.

ROFL.  Your delusional bud, look at the election results - in fact, talk to some of the people within Labor ranks.  They are not blowing fairy floss with cool shades like you my friend.

Australia coming back to the centre? - again, Labor lost its majority hardcore and the Coalition won the election on primary, likely 2PP and seats.  Wow, real vote of confidence for the Labor movement Wombleoz..........seriously.

God help us if you had your way Wombleoz, we'd all be living in caves eating vegetables - forget the economy, jobs, family, small business, aspirationalism or fiscal conservatism - just as long as we all feel fuzzy wuzzy and filled with love.  FFS.

Oh and god help anyone if you love your country or are passionate about your country and assume others are, because like he did to Tony Abbott, Wombleoz will have a crack at you.....

lol  Cry  Fair dinkum.
Report wombleoz September 5, 2010 10:56 PM BST
You forgot the most important figures of all Jez - unemployment at 5.2% and growth over 3% after going through the GFC.  Add to that if the independents go with Labor / Greens / Wilkie and we have 77/73 (78/72 if Crook goes as well - he will possibly abstain) that has to be more stable then 76/74  if they go the other way especially with the Green BOP in the senate next year.

The other crucial figures are the swings - only 1.6% to the Liberals (which is a figure they can be happy with) BUT 3.9% to the Greens who got 11.7% of the vote and are now a genuine 3rd force in Australian politics.

You can run the fear campaign all you want but people are about to see how a hung parliament can be a good thing and how we can forget the politics of fear run by the coalition, Labor and Murdoch and move to positive progressive politics - if things go the way they look like going it's all going to be Cool
Report Koala Chaos September 6, 2010 6:25 AM BST
If Labor gets over the line with this green coalition it will be the best result I could have imagined. We will have the Senate numbers to get some really progressive legislation through. No more mamby pamby crap from the right wing Sussex street crowd. Those mining bosses that signed up for the lower tax contribution before the election will be considering themselves extremely lucky.
Report Koala Chaos September 6, 2010 6:57 AM BST
Unfortunately there is a big chance of another election. Labor would be a shoe in. All those people that just wanted to give them a scare first time round would be saying "Not that big a scare as to let Mr Rabbit in with his 11 billion black hole". Lets just hope the other indies see the light and get with some stability. Otherwise we are back to the Sussex st conservatives.
Report Back High Lay Low September 6, 2010 8:11 AM BST
stability

1. the state or quality of being stable.
2. firmness in position.
3. continuance without change; permanence.

A government that has failed to achieve any of these things in the last three years is now going to succeed under far more trying of circumstances?

A house that requires support from non labor members to the right and a senate that requires support from non labor members to the left.

Best wishes Ms. Gillard
Report Back High Lay Low September 6, 2010 8:18 AM BST
Didn't get involved.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 8:57 AM BST
Those numbers conveniently hide the billions wasted without accountability.

If your a Green, Wombleoz, I'm surprised you give a rats a$$ about the economy and those economic figures.  If your hero, Bob Brown and your mob had their way, god fkn help us.

The Greens are the worst kind of economic terrorist.

Death taxes, threats to farming/mining, threats to recreational fishing, threats to the family budget and dominating unrealistic and dangerous policy agendas.......

Anyone who fancy's the Green's as koala-cuddling do-gooders, go to their website and do some research - the truth is truly frightening.

Genuine 3rd force in Australian politics?  ROFL Laugh
They're in bed with Labor.  They're no true 3rd force.

Your delusions of the Greens as a 3rd force thankfully will be heavily extinguished I feel, at the next election.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 9:19 AM BST
Independents press Abbott over Crook
Samantha Maiden From: The Australian September 06, 2010 6:01PM

WA National MP Tony Crook has emerged as a potential deal-breaker in Tony Abbott's last hope of forming government.

The three independents have confirmed that they are urgently seeking clarification from the Liberal leader on whether Mr Crook would guarantee not to block supply or support no confidence motions in an Abbott government.

With the Coalition holding just 73 seats in parliament and requiring 76 to govern, the independents said today that without clarification of Mr Crook's position they would be unable to deliver Mr Abbott the numbers he needs to form a stable government even if they wished to do so.

Labor needs just two more votes to form government after securing the support of Greens MP Adam Bandt and Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie.

But the the Coalition needs all three independents - Rob Oakeshott, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter - to form government.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 9:22 AM BST
An interesting story......
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 10:00 AM BST
What I do know is another two buisnesses closed it's doors in my local area, the economy excluding mining and associated industries , is quite flat and fkd at the moment
Report OnTheChase September 6, 2010 10:16 AM BST
I thought it was all over and they were going with Labor.  The story shows they are still thinking about going with the Coalition.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 11:09 AM BST
Spot on OnTheChase.

Sparked me up when I saw the story break tonight.

Plenty of journos on twitter today suggesting it is definetely not all over for the Coalition.

The dream is still alive.....Mischief
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 11:39 AM BST
Mr Oakeshott said today there were two issues stopping the independents from making a final decision.

The first was parliamentary reform, which was agreed to by both major parties this evening.

“The second now is whether there is a formal agreement between Tony Abbott and the West Australian Nationals in regards to confidence and supply,” Mr Oakeshott said in Canberra.

“My understanding is there isn't. My understanding is Mr Abbott is working on that.

“Until there is a resolution on that issue we don't really have a decision to make. We can't form a government even if we wanted to with Mr Abbott.”

The Lyne MP said if the position of Mr Crook was clarified there could be a decision on who forms government tomorrow.

“We would hope so,” Mr Oakeshott said.


For any Coalition supporter, this is as good a article as an to cling onto as we reach for the rosary beads this evening.

Cry
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 11:47 AM BST
Some twitter murmerings suggesting (from well connected folk) that Katter_+ Windsor are pushing for Coalition, tonight convincing Oakshott to join them.....

Thats on the rumour mill......
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 11:52 AM BST
77 is a lot more stable than 76
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 11:58 AM BST
LOL judgey, what did u think of Etoile Vitesse the other day???
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:00 PM BST
Oh shutup Wombleoz....ROFLLaugh

Coalition got more seats...
More primary......
likely more 2PP....

and similar to Mr Wilkie, it would be wise for the independents to listen to their electorates - go Liberal/National.......

These men will no doubt be considering there own electability based on the decision they make.  C'mon Rob, get back into the fold mate.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:01 PM BST
Maybe we will see a decision similar to that in the WA election.

The independent Nationals in WA.

Flirted with Labor, but when push came to shove.

Backed the Coalition.

Looking forward to Q&A tonight with Bob Katter on.
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 12:06 PM BST
what's the old saying, you can't put an old head on young shoulders. He didn't ride her too bad though and i doubt she wins if she has to carry 4kgs more.  Apparently young Sam only weights 39kg and looks about 10 Laugh

he might be ready to vote next time the Coalition get a look in [;)]
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:09 PM BST
Counting those chickens Wombleoz.....a dangerous past time

Coming from the person that predicted Gillard in a canter and she would FLOG Abbott and he is unelectable....and so on and so on

On every count so far relating to the election/campaign and have been....

well uhm.  WRONG!
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:11 PM BST
try again


On every count so far relating to the election/campaign you've been...

well uhm.  WRONG!

One of the worst electoral results in the party's 119 year history and Wombleoz thinks Labor are the saviours....
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 12:12 PM BST
I'm not alone there Jez LOL

I'm just hoping the Independents see sense and go the right way, well actually the left way Cool
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:19 PM BST
See sense?

I think they've seen the Labor record.  Its speaks loudly.

Think school hall debacle.
Think insulation nightmare.
Think billions in debt.
Think $100,000,000 a day in debt.
Think all talk, no talk.
Think lax border security.

Labor = its just not bloody good enough!

After one term, you've done your dash.

The independents need to consider their constituents, they need to consider the popular vote/seat count and the fact that Australian's have most swiftly against this Labor Government.

Stability does not lie in a vengeful ALP, readying to spill blood.

And a generous smear of GREEN makes matters worse.

And despite your bias, I'm not so sure about the popularity of the Labor-Greens alliance, a masterstroke from Ms Gillard and Mr Brown.......I think NOT!  LMAO.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:21 PM BST
all talk, no action....I meant, clearly Mischief
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 12:32 PM BST
We'll find out tomorrow Jez - I feel pretty good about it all, it'll all work out in the end Cool
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 12:41 PM BST
Tony Crook backing clears way for Tony Abbott government

Patricia Karvelas and Lauren Wilson

From: The Australian September 06, 2010 9:12PM

THE final hurdle between the trio of independents possibly supporting a Coalition government was removed late last night, when West Australian Nationals MP Tony Crook publicly confirmed he would support an Abbott government on supply and no-confidence motions.
Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor had earlier demanded Mr Crook make his position clear, saying they would have no "genuine" choice to make between the two major parties if Mr Crook did not clarify his position within a possible Coalition government.

The Coalition has 72 seats in parliament and needs 76 to govern. It has been widely assumed that Mr Crook, a Nationals MP who has left open the option of sitting on the cross benches, would bring the Coalition's total to 73, but Mr Oakeshott yesterday said that assumption needed to be confirmed publicly before a decision could be made as early as today.

In response, Mr Crook last night vowed to support the Coalition on supply and no-confidence motions.

"We have been clear throughout the campaign and in the weeks since that because of the mining tax we oppose any Labor-Green government", Mr Crook said last night.

"I will support the Coalition to form a minority government, but I would like to make it clear there has been no commitment or agreement on our key policy; therefore I will be on the cross benches until that policy is met."

Mr Crook said he would have himself counted as a member of the Coalition minority government but would still sit on the cross benches.

With Mr Crook taking its tally to 73, the Coalition could form a government with the backing of the three regional independents. The other hurdle to forming a government, an agreement on parliamentary reform, was also resolved yesterday.

Mr Crook last week met Tony Abbott to demand a "fairer" carve-up of GST funding for his state. He also wants more money for regional West Australian infrastructure projects.

Mr Oakeshott said earlier in the day that if the position of Mr Crook was clarified, a decision on who forms government could come today.

Mr Windsor said he and Mr Oakeshott would meet Mr Abbott last night. They would "probably" meet Julia Gillard after that.

"Depending on how long they take and whether there's any sticking points, it (an announcement on who they're backing) should be tomorrow," Mr Windsor said.
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:03 PM BST
Jez, Did Abbott back the pokie reform ?
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 1:03 PM BST
so that makes it 74 / 73 effectively just like it was before
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:08 PM BST
Their is a couple of big clubs in the Independents area in NSW. If Abbott hasn't backed it, might be what gets the coalition over the line
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:24 PM BST
LOL Wombleoz, the independents know the numbers....
Labor won 72 seats (now with 2 supporters).
Coalition won 73.

Thats the true scorecard.  Coalition won the most seats.

Independents wanted to confirm Crooks support.

Not sure about his position on pokie reform AP- but its safe to say the ex-spy did his Coalition revenge sting on Abbott, I'd say the reform would be in a million pieces in a shredder somewhere in Abbotts office.
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:33 PM BST
Agree about Minchin Judge, would see half of Oz in refugee camps and still talk about the free market virtues

Katter's statistics are pretty damning for this country, trouble is his delivery, Keating or Howard delivering them would have a bit more punch
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:33 PM BST
Why would you say that Judge?

I thought all of his comments were spot on tonight - his no imbecile.

Katter proudly represents his electorate - goes to show you, we all, truly, have the birth right as Australian's to stand for political office.
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 1:34 PM BST
It's all about votes on the floor of the house Jez and so far Labor has one more in the bag which is why Abbott is paying $3.10

September 7 looking like decision day - bring it on I say Cool
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 1:34 PM BST
oops $3.30 now
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:36 PM BST
You dont like your representative.

Put up or shut up I say.  Put yourself up as a candidate.

Have a go.

Nick Minchin is a great Liberal gents.  I too believe Tony Abbott is a Liberal hero, and will be regardless of tomorrows announcement.
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:37 PM BST
Bookies just watched Q and A
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:38 PM BST
Wombleoz, despite the shalacking on polling day and despite the low life desperate squeeze demonstrated by the comrades, still proudly waves around the Labor brand as if its still worth its weight in gold.............

FFS.  Fair dinkum.  Truly fkn delusional, I swear.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:42 PM BST
Bookies don't know martha from fkn arthur at the moment.

I remember certain forumites proudly proclaiming victory for Labor on election eve based on the bookmakers.
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:43 PM BST
Jez, Katter's statistics were pretty damning... what say you?

Ps , I consider myself close to centre on the Lib side of things..

ie > Gov't involvement only where necessary for the common good
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 1:43 PM BST
Getting my rosary beads and going to bed.

Goodnight.  Cry
Report Aussie Punter September 6, 2010 1:46 PM BST
Not sure about tomorrow Jez, but Im sure their will be a few Hail Mary passes in the 1st week of the NFL this weekendLaugh

Good Luck
Report Craig The Speculator September 6, 2010 2:41 PM BST
looking sick for the coalition but no matter what the result the market has got it wrong a number of times - could it get it wrong again?
Report scoobeck September 6, 2010 5:50 PM BST
How can you say Abbott a liberal hero. The guy could lose the unlosable election. never before has there been more negatives against one paty. The people in the street, the media, everywhere you look they were bagging labour and rightly so however a pathetic election campaign with such a narrow focus and vague policies of their own have stopped them from winning. No one trusts the guy.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 9:43 PM BST
Disagree scoobeck.

Unloseable election?  2010 was no 1993 mate.

Don't write Abbott off.  I haven't - today the big decision.

Time to change the government.

Rob, Bob and Tony - listen to your constituents.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 9:46 PM BST
Politics is politics scoobeck.  Nothing will in essence, change.

The Liberal/National party ran a solid campaign imo.

Only issues were seats where the Libs fought the Nats with significant funding - whereas the dollars should have been pumped into seats such as Robertson/Lindsay, etc.

Federal director Brian Loughnane did an outstanding job.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 9:51 PM BST
Tony Windsor has said this morning "all bets are on" when asked whether a Coalition Government still a possibility.

I'm thinking Windsor/Katter aligning with Coalition, Oakshott to move with them to ensure bloc support.
Report cheryl September 6, 2010 9:58 PM BST
i think perhaps instead of trying to guess who will form govt it may be better to have a guess at the longevity of that govt
Report Jez Melb Punter September 6, 2010 10:01 PM BST
Good point Cheryl.

Not sure, I don't underestimate incumbency in any form - minority or majority.

But who knows.......
Report cheryl September 6, 2010 10:32 PM BST
well if its taken this long for the 3 to decide i cant help thinking that things will become fractious at the drop of a hat [maybe bob katters hat]
Report Monday mike September 6, 2010 10:35 PM BST
Julia I think gets the keys this morning reports say.
Report wombleoz September 6, 2010 11:01 PM BST
It can go either way but Julia with 77 seats and a Green BOP in the senate next year sounds more stable to me - the market still agrees as well.

Abbott had a good campaign but once again I'll highlight that he didn't even get half the swing that went to the Greens, the people have spoken they don't want the extreme right politics of Abbott and the religious right that runs the Libs, they want progressive politics with a Green tinge

We'll know today and either way some will be disappointed - thanks for the spirited debate I've been wrong with plenty of my predictions but this is the one that matters most

Julia will be PM tomorrow Cool
Report cheryl September 6, 2010 11:11 PM BST
well for what its worth i think the normal state of mind to most australians is right wing and as julia has done a deal with the greens i think that could prove troublesome for her, the 3 independants will have their electorates screaming blue murder at them if they get into bed with the green party.
Report ozrazer September 6, 2010 11:45 PM BST
the people have spoken they don't want the extreme right politics of Abbott and the religious right that runs the Libs, they want progressive politics with a Green tinge


FYI WOMBLE

AEC WEBSITE


House of Representatives National Two Party Preferred Result Coalition Votes Percentage % Swing %
Australian Labor Party 5,825,611 49.99 -2.71
Liberal/National Coalition 5,828,308 50.01 +2.71



i think your agument above doesnt hold water, and btw brown said he wouldnt block supply to either side whoever wins....who cares 76-74 or 77 v 73 its makes no diff at all.....

obviously the worst performing govt for 70 years to be on the threshold on being tossed out in 1 term.....huge kick in the teeth...lord help us is we get stuck with them again....julia said it herself the party had lost its way.....whats gunna be different.....she will continue following party orders, more of the same same same
Report ozrazer September 6, 2010 11:48 PM BST
and as jez is right about the looney greens.....if every clown that voted for them looked at their website their vote would collapse....3rd force by ar$e
Report cheryl September 7, 2010 12:03 AM BST
most eloquent ozrazer
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 12:08 AM BST
thanks chez
Report Koala Chaos September 7, 2010 2:41 AM BST
Most eloquent ozracer except you conveniently left the Greens out of your calculations. We now have Labor/Greens coalition.

AEC House of Reps percentages of first preferences.


Australian Labor Party 37.98 
Liberal 30.43 
Liberal National Party of Queensland 9.17 
The Greens 11.74 
The Nationals 3.73

Labor/Greens coalition 49.72% Liberal/Nats 43.33%

Womble is right on. Of course it doesn't mean the Indies will join them.
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 2:50 AM BST
conveniently left nothing out of the 2 PARTY PREFERRED vote

or if u want it your way lib/nat coalition wins on 1st pref 43.33, then labor 37.98, then greens 11.74....1st past the post coalition wins

green coalition is for this next term, i suspect the green voters will change when they get more educated next time
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 2:51 AM BST
only to help the current govt is this so called coalition...nothing permanent as in the lib/nats
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 2:53 AM BST
lookout if brown gets his way, death taxes, carbon tax, everything tax, ffs labor already sent the cost of living through the roof, is this what you want?
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 2:55 AM BST
how many seats did labor lose again? and this is what womble refers to as people rejecting the right wing libs....pull the other one Cool
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 2:59 AM BST
yeah thats right labor went from 83 seats now 72 and the coalition went from 65 to 73...no 1st term govt for 70 years has come close to matching this......and we hear how good they are....well the ppl disagree
Report Koala Chaos September 7, 2010 3:51 AM BST
The point I was endeavouring to make ozracer was that the majority of voters did not vote for the traditionally conservative parties as their first preference.
 

When you quoted Womble "the people have spoken they don't want the extreme right politics of Abbott and the religious right that runs the Libs, they want progressive politics with a Green tinge", you said that his argument was not valid ("that it didn't hold water")

Well I happen to agree with his statement and I believe the figures from the AEC first preferences bear this out.

Australian Labor Party 37.98 
Liberal 30.43 
Liberal National Party of Queensland 9.17 
The Greens 11.74 
The Nationals 3.73

Labor/Greens coalition 49.72% Liberal/Nats coalition 43.33%.


It is true that there was a notional swing of just over one percent to the Conservatives overall, but clearly the majority of Australians did not vote for the Conservative parties as their first preference, thereby rejecting them once again. (Well said Womble).Grin
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 4:01 AM BST
easy to manipulate numbers koala, 1st preferences , 2 PP or even 3 party prefered,
your numbers 50.28% DIDNT VOTE THE WAY WOMBLE SAYS IT IS, HOW ABOUT THAT ONE, now thats not a majority is it....FFS you ppl see things through rose coloured glasses labor got their ar se kicked for inept performance, and i'm a swinging voter who did vote for kevvie last time.....seems i was in the majority then as nowMischief
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 4:06 AM BST
then theres the 5.54% that dont give a sheet.........
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 4:09 AM BST
ShockedSillyCool
Report Koala Chaos September 7, 2010 4:21 AM BST
Ozracer you need to re-read my post. I haven't manipulated any numbers. I said the majority of Australians did not vote for the Conservatives as their first preference. This is true check out the Australian Electoral Commission site.

Labor did get its arse kicked you are quite right, but most of the arse kicking was done by the Greens not the Conservatives! Greens increased there first pref vote by 3.95%, all Conservatives by 1.54%, hardly anything to be cheering about.
Report Monday mike September 7, 2010 4:32 AM BST
What a fantastic revenge for Gilby to stop the Libs.  In a way Howard the war munger has cost the Libs this Election.  Karma.Laugh
Report Village Kid September 7, 2010 5:47 AM BST
with all this foreplay jez must be getting ready to EXPLODE

hang in there, it's nearly all over!!
Report Village Kid September 7, 2010 6:10 AM BST
labour backed into 1.01......Jez just lost his wood
Report maverick007 September 7, 2010 6:29 AM BST
the 3 independents or someone who knows them submitted their bets right before they walked out, hence why the entire market got hoovered to 1.01
Report Story_Teller September 7, 2010 6:33 AM BST
Libs breathe a huge sigh of relief. They want their next Prime Minister to be Big Joe but thought they had no hope in this election so silly Tony was installed as leader in the belief that he would lose & the Libs could get rid of a bloke they have no respect or belief in.
You wouldn't beleieve it, they nearly fell over the line. If they won, make no mistake the Liberal Party would've imploded. Think the independents had a sniff of what would happen & Rob seemed to mention this in his speech

Now they can leave Tony in as leader, & they can say well done Tony.
He will say something stupid, the public will react & his polling will will decline.
They stab him in the back, Big Joe takes over & becomes the next Prime Minister.
Anyone with good connections knows all this as fact, just wait & see.
I do feel sorry for Jez, he seems to be quite delusional.
Report cheryl September 7, 2010 7:45 AM BST
where are you jez? dont be down this was a damn fine thread!! credit to you
Report Kye September 7, 2010 7:52 AM BST
cheryl, he is probably celebrating as he knows long term after this shamble of a Gov't fails the Liberals will be the big winners.
Report secong coming. September 7, 2010 7:54 AM BST
story teller are you serious, libs sigh of relief,
how about labor julia wont see out the 3 years some will be saying the party has lost its way and get the knives out.......

what a great system we have when 2 ppl out of 13 mill voters decide who governs,
and that low grub in tassie with 13000 1st PREF VOTES WHICH PLACED HIM THIRD,was NEVER EVER GOING TO GO COALITION, alls i can say to those indies, makes preps for something after politics cos you will be write your own ticket odds next time around

btw we will be broke by then at least we will have fast internet, just no one will be able to afford it, same as electricity and every single bill that you thought has gone through the roof let me tell you , YOU AINT SEEN NOTHING YET Cry
Report Compound Magic September 7, 2010 8:25 AM BST
Congrats to all the Labor supporters and the winners who backed them, took a bit off me.

For me it's time to shut up shop till the next election. Just sold my shares as soon as I heard the result, pity the people who have heaps in superannuation.

Julia is going to be like a cow with a ring in her nose led by those loony greens.

Going to be real interesting on where she is led and how long she will last.
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 7, 2010 8:33 AM BST
Julia said that the election result said the Australian people want "middle ground"from the political parties

I think the election said that people think that all we have with the 2 mojor parties is MIDDLE GROUND. There was a massive swing against labour because of their horrendous financial handling of the economy, with most swinging to the Independants and greens. The swing to liberal was minor because of their lack of leadership and policies

We will all be broke in 12 monthsCry

On a different note, The incumbant party should be judged on performance alone and not allowed to make promises IMHO
Report Craig The Speculator September 7, 2010 11:14 AM BST
storyteller - joe hockey lmfao - no wonder you call yourself storyteller
Report Jez Melb Punter September 7, 2010 11:35 AM BST
Well, I have to say quite honestly, I'm gutted by the result.

I'm very passionate about my side and its cause and I make no apologies for that.

I disagree with Story_Teller - I believe firmly that Tony Abbott has done an amazing job as leader - he has truly united, rallied the troops and driven the Liberal National Coalition into a position beyond its wildest dreams only 12 months ago. 

Again, don't write off Abbott.

I am terribly disappointed by Windsor and Oakshott's decision to back Labor.  It will not be forgotten.  I believe their political careers are now very limited, especially for the young Rob Oakshott.  I would of thought based on the Labor record, the results a fortnight ago in the election, and the will of their electorates, they would back the Coalition.....

They chose rather than to listen to their local people or the very basic electoral information at hand, with the Coalition leading on every count - they chose to extract revenge of their political makers - the Nationals.

This will prove foolish for them individually.

I think, now in hindsight, I might of preferred a 4-5 seat Labor majority on election night, rather than the stomach churning weeks of negotiating and even worse still, we now face the prospect of a Labor-Green Government.

To those who have backed and support Julia Gillard and the Labor team.  Well done and congratulations, the spoils of government continue.  If you backed them, even better, goodluck to you - you got home by a flared nostril. 

Wombleoz.  I concede.....Cry

But let it be said, its hardly a victory worth savouring or celebrating.
Labor has been smashed from pillar to post and by sheer manic desperation managed to hold on.
Julia Gillard has been "selected", not "elected.

Whilst I hope in vein for a rejuvenated Labor Gillard Government, I know for certain nothing will change, it will be the same old Labor - the rumblings within a now fractured ALP will stir retribution, blood-letting, and don't forget about our honourable former PM who lurks, Kevin Rudd....

...Thats not to mention, the chronic waste, the truly incompetent mismanagement, higher taxes, record debt, an unbearable strain on families and more and more boats.

Whilst I seriously question the alleged "stability" that exists within this Labor Government, in addition to the potential longevitity of the newly formed government - you can be sure of one thing, and especially with the fkn looney tunes Greenies wielding power over the Parliament.........

.....the Coalition will ensure this government is ferociously kept to account.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 7, 2010 11:41 AM BST
It's awesome to see people engaging in political debate - even on a betting site.

It's great for democracy.

Whilst people may grumble about the time this has taken - it has been great to see people of all ages take some interest in the governance of this great nation.

This has been a really enjoyable thread.  Cheers all.

I think I'll leave it to Judgey, for the honours of officially cremating the thread, when the time is rightLaugh
Report Kye September 7, 2010 11:49 AM BST
Short term pain Jez for long term gain.

I dont see this Gov't lasting long. i think Windsor & Oakshott have underestimated the reaction in their electorate to this move.

Coalition now wins any future election with clear majority
Report doubleagent September 7, 2010 12:26 PM BST
Democracy is rubbish.
Report Village Kid September 7, 2010 12:42 PM BST
it sure is comrade
Report Village Kid September 7, 2010 12:47 PM BST
free speech is gone too....poor Steffi Rice....can't even call the Boks c***k s*****g f*****s these days

watched old newsreel footage about people on a cruise liner having a "gay old time" on their "gay boat ride" ffs the worlds gone mad
Report wombleoz September 7, 2010 12:52 PM BST
I wish people wouldn;t be so fnkn negative - this is a HUGE opportunity for Australia and particularly for the bush, it's about time it got some recognition

The future is here and the future is progressive politics with a green tinge Cool

In some ways I feel sorry for Jez but then I think of who and what he supports so I can't feel too bad for him, I do love your passion though

Ozracer, the 2 PP count isn't close to finished yet, don't be surprised if Labor finish in front at the end.

Overall, this is the best possible result - we are going to see some real government for a change and some real benefits, a great day for Australia
Report Monday mike September 7, 2010 1:01 PM BST
Big joe, the enforcer of Work Choices.Laugh
Good Guys win.  Australia is great.
Report doubleagent September 7, 2010 1:08 PM BST
I'm so pleased for our rural cousins.What with our free trade agreements and commitments to U.N policies to make Aust a resource only contributor I'm sure that any deal Rob Oakeshott made will make all the difference.
Report doubleagent September 7, 2010 1:11 PM BST
Womble-they've done such a good job since 2007 the Labor party dumped it's own leader.If it was so good why get rid of him?
Report Craig The Speculator September 7, 2010 1:45 PM BST
julia gillard makes me sick
Report Craig The Speculator September 7, 2010 2:23 PM BST
lol its just how i feel - maybe i'm being a bad loser as well

i'm used to losing over 3 minutes or maybe 80 but not 17 days ffs
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 7, 2010 2:33 PM BST
The longer this Government lasts the more certain the libs are next time and the longer their tenure IMO

She will make a toatl fck up of the whole shooting match.

The problem is, if it takes 3 years for the libs to get in then
[b]THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO GOVERN
Report Barney The Bot Slayer September 7, 2010 2:34 PM BST
Last one out, turn off the light !!

That will be Bob Brown, conserving energy [;)]
Report Jez Melb Punter September 7, 2010 10:03 PM BST
Wombleoz.

I feel there will be monumental mistakes made by this new government, especially given the Greens are now feeling their new-felt powers - though this will bring them well needed scrutiny.

I'm hoping they fall the same way as the Democrats - or at least the least, get a decent chop in the next election. 

You can blame the ALP-Green agreement when it happens. 

As another poster said, if this government was so bloody good since 2007, why the hell did they boot a first term PM?  Why on earth did the people deliver more seats to the Coalition?

I mean there are many questions - all of which have a spin-laden, blinkers-on responses from you Wombleoz.

I mean your posts are full of suggestions that clearly do not corrolate with the facts.  Laugh

And of course, if there are major issues within this government as there were in term one, you'll be here with the cool shades on, telling us how lucky we are - as again, I have a few ounces of objectivity, you my friend - ZERO!  Laugh

Your over-optimism actually buoys me into thinking the Coalition will be in government sooner rather than later.
Report Jez Melb Punter September 7, 2010 10:12 PM BST
Wombleoz, as a hardcore Green, of course your positive.

Power Power Power.

But out in the real world people are asking (including in Tamworth and Port Macquarie) why a bad government was given the second chance it doesn't deserve.
Report wombleoz September 7, 2010 10:21 PM BST
The Labor government was far from perfect but they did achieve the one thing that was more important than any other, they kept us out of recession and have left us in a good position to move forward into the next 3 years.

Rudd had to go, he couldn't have made the changes to the mining tax were made without being crucified by the media. Most experts agree that Rudd would not have won, or even got close, in the last election - people had stopped listening to him.

Now, we have a HUGE opportunity for real change - especially for the bush and having grown up there, and wanting to go back there one day, I realise just how important that really is.  Add the greens to that mix and some genuine social policy reforms and wow

You can keep harping on about the past all you like, it's not really relevant in a lot of ways - the new government will be held to account more than any other because the majority is so small. Only policies that are good enough to get through will get through. 

Another thing to watch now though is how the Liberals react to some of the things that come up - will Turnbull sit on the Carbon Price Committee for example???  How many will vote for onshore processing of boat people???  What will the Nationals do when the regions start seeing the benefits and their vote starts collapsing???

Very interesting AND very exciting times ahead, I for one am very relaxed about it all Cool
Report ozrazer September 7, 2010 11:11 PM BST
as if the coaltition would have sat on their hands and let us slide into recession.....womble your 1st line belongs on the joke of the day thread
Report Aussie Punter September 8, 2010 1:10 AM BST
doubleagent
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I'm so pleased for our rural cousins.What with our free trade agreements and commitments to U.N policies to make Aust a resource only contributor I'm sure that any deal Rob Oakeshott made will make all the difference

Exactly DA, a overseas economists was basically calling us d..heads on Lateline Buisness last night with this holding onto the idea of free trade- he reeled off heaps of countries who support their agricultural and manufacturing Industries with subsidies etc that supported Katter's statements of recent times that Oz is getting screwed.He claims the economic theory is dead , yet both sides of politics want to keep at it.
T.Abbott and Libs take note

First cracks appearing already over Mining Tax with Swan saying it's going straight to legislation and Ind Windsor saying it is going to be part of the tax review...

Won't be long JezLaugh
Report Village Kid September 8, 2010 1:51 AM BST
what a blessing to be in a forum that is so full of political/economic experts....just a fountain of wisdom
Report ozrazer September 8, 2010 2:45 AM BST
thanks vk we always did see eye to eye Mischief
Report ozrazer March 9, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
not long now for redemption.....Wink
oakeshotte,windsor and dillard....gonski
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