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agree 100% Mr Ben on a consumption tax and the abolition of income tax altogethor.
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just read an interesting article from BRW re Kev Rudd is our richest ever prime minister with estimated net worth of $56mil, Malcolm Turnbull is the richest pollie worth $186 mill.
actually think about it- dudd is the richest pm ever and probably the worst ever.Turnbull is the richest pollie of all time and is more disconnected from the average person than malcolm fraser was. Perhaps a salary cap is needed for parliament house? |
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absolutely, or a limit on how long you can serve as a politian... some of these pri#cks went to canberra in their 20s and retire there, its a joke that they could have any idea of who they are actually representing.
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the sky's falling.
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MRBN.20%GST and no TAX you have to be kidding ,what about the pensioners.Another mad idea from an idiot LIB. Why dont you tell us that 70% of the people that Howard put on that island are now in Austalia.
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Well isn't it amazing that we can have all this mis management and waste the LIBS claim, AND STILL AVOID THE worst GFC. since the depression...LOL, LOL, THAT PUTS LABOUR IN THE REALMS OF BEING THE GREATEST GOVT of all time.
Even the LIBS have admitted that they would have had to go into deficit during the GFC, so why didn't they have enough put aside in the FUTURE FUND to avoid going into deficit? Must have been a FAILED POLICY. LOL. Why is the LIBS UNPROVEN method of avoiding the GFC and Stimulus Package, better than LABOURS PROVEN METHOD of avoiding the GFC and STIMULUS PACKAGE? |
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the wiz Joined: 22 Jan 04
Replies: 13 28 May 10 22:20 MRBN.20%GST and no TAX you have to be kidding ,what about the pensioners.Another mad idea from an idiot LIB. Why dont you tell us that 70% of the people that Howard put on that island are now in Austalia. wiz- you really are a dill.Did you finish school?Got a calculator?Try learning how to use it. product whole sale $10.00 gst 10% 1.00 sell price $11.00 make gst 20% product wholesale $10.00 gst 20% 2.00 sell price $12.00 increase in sell price 1/11=9% pensioner receive at 10% gst level $300 per week pensioner needs at 20% gst extra 9% = 27.00 per week new pension $ 327.00 not so difficult wiz. try thinking something through before posting. |
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Why is the LIBS UNPROVEN method of avoiding the GFC and Stimulus Package, better than LABOURS PROVEN METHOD of avoiding the GFC and STIMULUS PACKAGE?
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in case you missed it AFL the gfc was almost 2 years ago.Most of us are interested in what will happen in the future.There is no evidence to suggest dudd and swan avoided the gfc by there own doing rather it was the outstanding condition of the economy they inherited.
There is however plenty of evidence to suggest dudd and swan are sending the country toward economic oblivion. |
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Financial crisis of 2007–2010
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Still going for the rest of the world.....you might have missed it because Labours policies, and Stimulus, prevented us from falling into it. lol |
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ROFL
Surprise Surprise, AFL demonstrating his common ground with Kevin Rudd - ineptitude. His bible : the online free encyclopedia, Wikipedia, that anyone can edit.  Rudd Labor Treasurer, Wayne Swan, on the Budget Night 2010, warned that Australia could still potentially strike - global financial crisis "Mark II". Sounds like your in contradiction with your comrades buddy. Also refer to this article from the Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/business/rebound-staves-off-the-gfc-mark-ii-20100521-w231.html |
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Desperation from Labor.
The ridiculous line that Rudd Labor saved us from the GFC will not win you the election - it won't/hasn't washed with the electorate - the waste, mismanagement & broken promises of Rudd Labor are front & centre. The greatest moral challenge of our time?  To defeat Rudd Labor at the election.  |
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and please, its Labor not Labour.
FFS. |
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.don't take everything i say on here..... at face value....I've been under a bit of pressure lately and in the heat of the argument.... i might have said some things that i might not have said, had i had some time to consider them.
ABBOTT 101......lol |
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Jez, you seem more interested lately in politics than racing?
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It will be interesting to see how Abott goes in the polls if he signs with Gold Coast
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Cooled off racing last few weeks Craig.
Betting footy mostly...... hope your punting well mate! I've been enjoying this thread lately.  . |
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yeah i have seen that
i'm not as extreme as you in my views but am certainly anti Rudd also |
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Joel Joined: 14 Feb 04
Replies: 2514 29 May 10 04:44 It will be interesting to see how Abott goes in the polls if he signs with Gold Coast aparently dudd and swann are being considered for origin 2 NSW half & 5/8.The NSW selectors love losers. |
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I hope I'm not extreme Craig
Just passionate!  |
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Its taken Rudd Labor to really stoke me up.
I accepted during the last election, that Australian's had tired of the Howard Government - and Workchoices made the decision easier for Australian's. I have always voted Liberal, but I really liked SOME of Kevin Rudd's ideas - but it was a sham - Kevin Rudd is a fake - this government has sensationally unravelled.  Check out this video from the first day of the election campaign in 2007, an interview with Kevin Rudd - Australian's were duped by a phoney - a smarmy, cunning, deceitful politician, like none other. [>o][>o] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOK6BQ1Mrv0 (How do you like his first line about being an economic conservative....FFS LOL....its sickening to watch in reflection!)  This clown promised the world - he had answers to everything - a mandarin-speaking smoothie, he talked himself & Labor up to great heights - but he has proven to be no more than a conman. Rudd Labor =reckless spending, debt, backflips, broken promises, shambolic projects, waste, no vision, lies & heavy handed spin. |
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Spending your cash to fight Rudd’s fight
Piers Akerman – Saturday, May 29, 10 PRIME Minister Kevin Rudd apparently believes the fall in his personal popularity amounts to a national emergency and warrants a special exemption from Labor’s own rules governing spending on government advertising. Or is Labor’s introduction of the disastrous super rip-off tax, which has seen the Australian dollar yo-yo across currency traders’ screens and put at risk Australia’s reputation as a fairly secure, risk-free investment haven, the national emergency? And what of the report in The Sydney Morning Herald that Mr Rudd had hoped to spark a confrontation with the mining industry and had planned to make a new us-against-them class-war the cornerstone of his re-election campaign? Is it that Mr Rudd has engineered his own national emergency, devastating the value of millions of Australians’ personal superannuation holdings, threatening the jobs of hundreds of thousands more as mining and engineering firms mothball future projects and freeze expansion of current operations, solely as a political ploy? Given the proven level of incompetence of Mr Rudd and his team, from his deputy Julia Gillard, through his goose of a Treasurer, Wayne Swan, his duplicitous Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner, Assistant Treasurer Chris Bowen, Small Business Minister Craig Emerson, Climate Minister Penny Wong, Environment Minister Peter Garrett (the list goes on), almost every decision taken by the Rudd Government could be described as a national emergency under Mr Rudd’s own loose definition. Be in no doubt that Mr Rudd and Mr Swan knew their mining tax would be unpopular; the proof is that they have made false claims about it since announcing its introduction on May 2 with the release of the dismal Henry Review on taxation. It is a matter of record that they claimed this big new tax was recommended in a submission from the mining industry. That’s where truth first goes out the window (but not for the last time) in this sad saga of appalling mismanagement and grossly abused standards of governance. The mining submission was intended for a genuine committee of review which it expected would be taken seriously by a reforming government. Instead, the submission was received by a heavily politicised and loaded committee, which put out an ideological and politically correct series of recommendations, of which the Government accepted something less than two per cent and then distorted almost beyond recognition those which it deigned to acknowledge. The miners cannot be accused of hypocrisy in the matter, but the Rudd Government has nowhere to hide from that charge. In its customary contradictory fashion, the Rudd ministry, with the willing connivance of Treasury Secretary Ken Henry, claimed that its proposed tax was having no effect on the dollar or the value of Australian mining stocks. As recently as Thursday he said he had “demolished again by the facts” claims by Opposition leader Tony Abbott that the super tax was hurting the Australian economy. All the while, Mr Rudd knew that his government was preparing to spend nearly $40 million of taxpayers’ money on what is blatantly political advertising and he knew that he would have to break the guidelines his government introduced to fulfil a promise made during the 2007 election campaign. During that campaign, Mr Rudd told the ABC he would ban all publicly funded advertising within three months of an election. This, he said, was “an absolute undertaking from us (the ALP). I believe this is a sick cancer within our system. It’s a cancer on democracy.” He was later asked whether he would deliver on a promise to return decency and probity to public administration, and whether he would he resign if he didn’t deliver. “You have my absolute, 100 per cent guarantee,” he replied. “And each of you here can hold me accountable for that.” The actuality is this: within a week of the announcement of the huge 40 per cent tax on mining, Mr Rudd and Mr Swan started to look for ways to get around their own rules on advertising. The loophole was an exemption from a review of their planned advertising by their own appointed Independent Communications Committee granted by Senator Joe Ludwig on the basis of “a national emergency, extreme urgency or other compelling reasons”. There is no national emergency requiring this suspension of good governance. There is no need for extreme urgency other than the falling popularity of the Rudd Government and there are no other compelling reasons beyond the Rudd’s Government desire for re-election. This is a great another big con by Kevin Rudd and he has again broken more of his own promises to foist it upon the Australian public. Unhappy with his inability to spark a class war, Mr Rudd (who is now cancelling press conferences) is going to spend your money fighting the sector which, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics figures, generated more value during the depths of the financial crisis than any other part of the economy, overtaking manufacturing for the first time. This is grotesque. Mr Rudd is spending Australians’ money fighting those who shielded their economy from the recession that hit other nations. It demonstrates again why the man who has broken more promises than any other in the history of Australian politics deserves nothing but the contempt of the electorate. His dishonesty, his disdain for openness, his disrespect for good governance, his condescension for ordinary Australians, are nakedly on display for all to see. In Canberra, once-loyal Labor apparatchiks now openly laugh at Mr Rudd having achieved four-Bs: batts, boat people, building education rip-off and backflips. From coast to coast, Labor focus groups are reporting an upwelling of deep personal disapproval for the once-popular PM, a visceral scorn that transcends any the trade union movement was able to muster for former PM John Howard. In breaching his own probity guidelines and wasting more taxpayers’ money, Mr Rudd may finally have sealed his own fate. |
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quoting Piers Akerman Jez, and you didn't want to be seen as extreme
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Piers isn't extreme, he actually raises some solid points.
Its a tough life for the conservatives in this country, with the media leaning generally to the left. Hard to find a journo who will actually take a Labor Government and bring it to account. |
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Media malevolence
The Political Sword has repeatedly asserted that there has been and still is a concerted media onslaught on Rudd and his Government by many in the media, especially News Limited. There have been countless pieces on this blog site going back many months but News Limited’s undeclared war on the Rudd Government in March summarized the situation as we saw it. This month Wake in fright and Their ABC amplified this view. In a piece on Crikey: How Rudd blew it: finding ways to upset everyone at the same time, Keane agrees: “There’s no doubt the tone of media coverage of the government has changed dramatically, and not in its favour, since the start of the year, with a determined air of get-square for the high-handedness with which Rudd’s office treated and manipulated the media for two years. “There are also the permanent anti-Labor elements of the media. News Limited, primarily via The Australian, has been conducting a war on the government. Considerable resources have been deployed by that newspaper in an entirely confected campaign against the BER stimulus component, even after an ANAO report discredited the entire effort. News also employs several commentators whose entire job is to smear and attack Labor, unrestrained by any adherence to facts or reason, so that even when Labor adopts pro-business policies it is criticised. The Coalition faces no such permanent media opposition. |
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The Australian newspaper advocated a vote for Kevin Rudd in 2007, in fact the majority did for News Ltd, except for the Herald Sun & maybe Courier-Mail. The Australian is the only slightly right-leaning paper in the country - the rest tend to favour the current Labor Government. What do you expect though, did you see the dream run Rudd got in 2007? The media were always going to ask questions, eventually. And when you have a government that wastes, mismanages, backflips & breaks promise after promise - eventually the media will jump up & down. Plus - the ALP have their comrades in arms at the ABC. Its a left leaning media in Australia - you can cherry pick but the common consensus is - left. [>o][>o] |
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Rudd, miners dig in for the battle
* Laurie Oakes * From: Herald Sun * May 29 THE most sensitive part of a voter's anatomy is supposed to be the hip pocket nerve. On that basis, the tax debate on which Tony Abbott says the election will turn should be a plus for the Rudd Government. On that basis, the tax debate on which Tony Abbott says the election will turn should be a plus for the Rudd Government. According to Treasury analysis, the Government's proposal - a 40 per cent tax on resource industry "super profits", combined with a cut in the company tax rate from 30 per cent to 28 per cent - would mean money in the kick of the average worker. An extra $450 a year to be precise. Abbott's alternative - no mining tax, no company tax cut, and a 1.7 per cent tax increase for large companies - would see the same worker around $100 a year worse off. People like Barnaby Joyce might scoff, but the boffins at Treasury - and at the independent firm KPMG Econtech, which did the modelling - don't make stuff up, despite what resource company executives would have us believe. Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar. End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar. The projections about wages are included in a Treasury Executive Minute headed "Macroeconomic Impacts of Alternative Company Taxation Policies". It is not as complicated as it sounds. A table in the document says that the plan adopted by Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan - based on recommendations from Ken Henry's tax reform task force - would eventually boost gross domestic product (economic output) by 0.7 per cent. The Abbott plan would reduce GDP by 0.2 per cent. Investment would increase by 2.1 per cent under the Government plan, but fall by 0.55 per cent under Abbott's. Inflation would be affected, too - consumer price levels would be 1.1 per cent lower with Rudd's tax mix, 0.25 per cent higher with the coalition's. And average real after-tax wages would be up 1.1 per cent under the Rudd-Swan package, but down 0.25 per cent under Abbott's. All of which, you might think, should have a fair bit of punter appeal. Except that this sort of analysis and information has largely been lost amid the cut and thrust of one of the fiercest political battles seen in years. There is another table kicking around - also based on Econtech modelling -showing the impact of the Government's tax plan on prices: food lower by 0.9 per cent, clothing and footwear by 1.3 per cent, housing by 1.1 per cent, transportation by 1.7 per cent, communication by 1.4 per cent. But this sort of argument has hardly got a look in, overwhelmed by the mining industry's all-out campaign against the proposed "super profits" tax, Abbott's highly effective attack-dog techniques, and the Government's apparent inability to sell any kind of message these days. No wonder Labor MPs have got themselves into a deep funk. The tax issue was supposed to help the Government out of an electoral hole, not dig it in deeper. The story might have been different if the tax plan had been set out first in a discussion paper and opened up to debate, but Rudd and Swan opted for a more confrontational approach. Now they are reaping the whirlwind. They face the prospect of going to an election against a coalition bankrolled by wealthy mining barons, and with the industry putting together a massive war chest to continue its own anti-Labor advertising campaign. Hence the Government's abandonment of yet another core principle - opposition to the use of taxpayer-funded advertising for party political purposes. Guidelines unveiled so proudly last year to prevent the kind of abuses that occurred during the Howard era were trashed so that a tax reform advertising campaign can be rushed to air. Cabinet Secretary Joe Ludwig can grant such an exemption on grounds of "a national emergency, extreme urgency or other compelling reason". This is not a national emergency, but it is a political one. Make no mistake, the Government now has its back to the wall. Rudd's credibility has been shot to pieces. So what was grubby under Howard is suddenly not only justifiable now, but "urgent and compelling" according to Ludwig. John Howard used Unchain My Heart as the theme for the GST propaganda campaign. Given his dramatic slump from 70 per cent plus heights of popularity, Rudd might want to consider another Joe Cocker hit - Now That The Magic Has Gone. The mining industry campaign is certainly over the top, and difficult to counter. When mining companies devalue their own shares by forecasting dire consequences from the tax, people tend to believe them. But it's interesting to read comments by more independent experts, including those whose job is to help clients make money. Rory Robertson, a Macquarie Bank interest rate strategist, for one. In a report a few days ago, Robertson said resource companies were not paying their share in tax because "flat-footed state governments were slow to adjust their 'royalties' to take account of the surge in global prices". HE spoke of "the basic logic" of the Federal Government's approach, suggested it was being criticised simply because the resources sector believed it should not have to make substantially larger payments to Government, and added that "the only surprise is that the now-proposed arrangements were so long in coming". Robertson also demolished the resources sector's key argument that the proposed tax is "retrospective". "After all," he wrote, "every city-based household knows that its local government rate payments will trend higher over time, even if the home was bought many years earlier. "Similarly, owners of rural property know that the Government rates and rents are linked directly to the latest assessed value of the property, and that if that value doubles, payments to Government will ... rise in proportion. "Those of us working hard over decades to build 'human capital' would struggle to argue with a straight face that any increase in income tax rates is unfair because it is 'retrospective'." But the mining companies will not be concerned. Their campaign, after all, is primarily about their hip-pocket nerves. Laurie Oakes is political editor for the Nine Network. His column appears every Saturday in the Herald Sun |
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Not a big fan of Laurie's. If its the Herald Sun I much prefer Andrew Bolt, his views are usually spot on.
 AFL - it will be a fascinating election campaign - I'm quite excited.  All barracking aside How do you think it will pan out, the campaign & election result? I'm guessing Labor strategists are looking at August - thats if Rudd listens to them - he does tend to do his own thing. |
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Just to make sure you have some facts and balance to the negative oppose everything smokescreen from Abbott and the LIBS.
According to Treasury analysis, the Government's proposal - a 40 per cent tax on resource industry "super profits", combined with a cut in the company tax rate from 30 per cent to 28 per cent - would mean money in the kick of the average worker.An extra $450 a year to be precise. Abbott's alternative - no mining tax, no company tax cut, and a 1.7 per cent tax increase for large companies - would see the same worker around $100 a year worse off. People like Barnaby Joyce might scoff, but the boffins at Treasury - and at the independent firm KPMG Econtech, which did the modelling - don't make stuff up, despite what resource company executives would have us believe. A table in the document says that the plan adopted by Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan - based on recommendations from Ken Henry's tax reform task force - would eventually boost gross domestic product (economic output) by 0.7 per cent. The Abbott plan would reduce GDP by 0.2 per cent. Investment would increase by 2.1 per cent under the Government plan, but fall by 0.55 per cent under Abbott's. Inflation would be affected, too - consumer price levels would be 1.1 per cent lower with Rudd's tax mix, 0.25 per cent higher with the coalition's. And average real after-tax wages would be up 1.1 per cent under the Rudd-Swan package, but down 0.25 per cent under Abbott's. There is another table kicking around - also based on Econtech modelling -showing the impact of the Government's tax plan on prices: food lower by 0.9 per cent, clothing and footwear by 1.3 per cent, housing by 1.1 per cent, transportation by 1.7 per cent, communication by 1.4 per cent. The mining industry campaign is certainly over the top, and difficult to counter. When mining companies devalue their own shares by forecasting dire consequences from the tax, people tend to believe them. But it's interesting to read comments by more independent experts, including those whose job is to help clients make money. Rory Robertson, a Macquarie Bank interest rate strategist, for one. In a report a few days ago, Robertson said resource companies were not paying their share in tax because "flat-footed state governments were slow to adjust their 'royalties' to take account of the surge in global prices". HE spoke of "the basic logic" of the Federal Government's approach, suggested it was being criticised simply because the resources sector believed it should not have to make substantially larger payments to Government, and added that "the only surprise is that the now-proposed arrangements were so long in coming". Robertson also demolished the resources sector's key argument that the proposed tax is "retrospective". "After all," he wrote, "every city-based household knows that its local government rate payments will trend higher over time, even if the home was bought many years earlier. "Similarly, owners of rural property know that the Government rates and rents are linked directly to the latest assessed value of the property, and that if that value doubles, payments to Government will ... rise in proportion. "Those of us working hard over decades to build 'human capital' would struggle to argue with a straight face that any increase in income tax rates is unfair because it is 'retrospective'." But the mining companies will not be concerned. Their campaign, after all, is primarily about their hip-pocket nerves. |
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I wonder which federal seat the ALP will parachute Ken Henry into?
He is losing credibility at an astonishing rate. They're all very rubbery numbers AFL; Like the Rudd Labor budget numbers for 2010-11. The super tax on mining, is a super tax on the heart of the Australian economy - we will all pay the price. This is rushed, poorly thought-out policy on-the-run from Rudd Labor, desperate to divert attention away from its hapless governing & eager to keep its "Budget back to surplus in 2013" charade, alive & kicking. |
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P.S - I am eager to see what phoney announcement Rudd Labor make tomorrow. I think Kevin was hoping the heart-warming court action on whaling would cover up the taxpayer funded $30m+ advertising blitz that the government says "Australian's need".
Do they think we are fools?  At the last election Kevin Rudd described this sort of blatant government advertising as "a cancer on democracy". Ohhhh the hollow man. |
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When some real facts are put on the table you continue the Lib diversion strategy.......lol
You have lost the argument...lol you cannot counter the truth in these figures. lol |
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Nonsense, no argument lost my friend - the ALP would be proud, you are a true believer.
Mate, a Laurie Oakes columnist piece in the Saturday paper does not equal real facts. |
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LOL, you discredit the writer ......but he did not make these figures up lol
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hey Jez, wasn't it howard that said no GST, abbott that said something about not believing everything he says, at least hes honest about being dishonest, and if you think theres any difference between labour and liberal, think again, i only hope paul ambrosoli does run
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People like Barnaby Joyce might scoff, but the boffins at Treasury - and at the independent firm KPMG Econtech, which did the modelling - don't make stuff up, despite what resource company executives would have us believe.
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But it's interesting to read comments by more independent experts, including those whose job is to help clients make money. Rory Robertson, a Macquarie Bank interest rate strategist, for one.
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The mining industry campaign is certainly over the top, and difficult to counter. When mining companies devalue their own shares by forecasting dire consequences from the tax, people tend to believe them.
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AFL - you & your fellow comrades should heed the wise words of Winston Churchill;
“We contend that for a nation to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” |
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But the mining companies will not be concerned. Their campaign, after all, is primarily about their hip-pocket nerves.
I rest my case.....LOL |