New Posts For Thread: Horses carrying 11st or morehttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-moreSeems to be fashionable to say that 11st or more is no longer a barrier to winning. Whilst that's true strictly speaking, it ignores the overwhelming trend. In the last 5 years, two horses carrying 11st finished in the top TEN the year Many CloudsJust want to say something re raz de maree. I remember when he was 8th in 2014 and i think he jumped the last about 18 if memory serves. He seems even better now. on good/soft ground i think similar fate befalls him but if it comes up soft then he'llhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=554081015#554081015Just want to say something re raz de maree. I remember when he was 8th in 2014 and i think he jumped the last about 18 if memory serves. He seems even better now. on good/soft ground i think similar fate befalls him but if it comes up soft then he'llThu, 12 Apr 2018 18:17:57 -0500All the talk about whether a horse can win or not with 11 stone is a red herring.When the ground is heavy forget it and look at the lower weights. When the ground is good then back the class horses at the upper end of the weights.The effect of the wehttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=554080055#554080055All the talk about whether a horse can win or not with 11 stone is a red herring.When the ground is heavy forget it and look at the lower weights. When the ground is good then back the class horses at the upper end of the weights.The effect of the weThu, 12 Apr 2018 17:33:52 -0500Stable form doesn't appear to be an issue anymore after today !!https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553972575#553972575Stable form doesn't appear to be an issue anymore after today !!Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:46:48 -0500since mon mome won in 2009 horses carrying 11-0+ have won 5 times which is more than market expectation and horses carrying under 11-0 have won 4 times which is less than market expectationhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553970181#553970181since mon mome won in 2009 horses carrying 11-0+ have won 5 times which is more than market expectation and horses carrying under 11-0 have won 4 times which is less than market expectationMon, 09 Apr 2018 10:33:37 -0500I agree Houblon would be a serious contender if it came up really heavy albeit it seems to be a shadow of it's former self although there have been brief glimpses that a little spark remains. Stable form is also a big issue.https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553940377#553940377I agree Houblon would be a serious contender if it came up really heavy albeit it seems to be a shadow of it's former self although there have been brief glimpses that a little spark remains. Stable form is also a big issue.Sun, 08 Apr 2018 03:58:32 -0500Houblon is not the horse he was but if you are going to give milansbar and Baie des lles a chance then surely the current version is still worth considering. He finished just behind regal flow giving it lumps of weight at Hereford who in turn was 1https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553931031#553931031Houblon is not the horse he was but if you are going to give milansbar and Baie des lles a chance then surely the current version is still worth considering. He finished just behind regal flow giving it lumps of weight at Hereford who in turn was 1Sat, 07 Apr 2018 17:34:15 -0500You may be right but Raz De Maree has won a good class handicap on good going and when it was second to Native River the time was only 18 seconds above average which when you compare to other Welsh Nat times suggests the going was not that soft. Thehttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553929727#553929727You may be right but Raz De Maree has won a good class handicap on good going and when it was second to Native River the time was only 18 seconds above average which when you compare to other Welsh Nat times suggests the going was not that soft. TheSat, 07 Apr 2018 16:19:24 -0500Raz De Maree has already had two attempts. He was going nowhere on the final bend at Chepstow. The ground at Aintree will be nothing like that and he will not be sighted.Houblon Des Obeaux is a shadow of the horse he was .https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553921513#553921513Raz De Maree has already had two attempts. He was going nowhere on the final bend at Chepstow. The ground at Aintree will be nothing like that and he will not be sighted.Houblon Des Obeaux is a shadow of the horse he was .Sat, 07 Apr 2018 10:30:21 -0500Too lively*https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553921387#553921387Too lively*Sat, 07 Apr 2018 10:25:44 -0500I backed houblon des obeux last year and knew my fate before the start as the ground became too lovely but on the plus side he did complete the course. He will have his ground this year and whilst I don't think he is the same horse as when winning thhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/31020457/horses-carrying-11st-or-more?post_id=553921321#553921321I backed houblon des obeux last year and knew my fate before the start as the ground became too lovely but on the plus side he did complete the course. He will have his ground this year and whilst I don't think he is the same horse as when winning thSat, 07 Apr 2018 10:23:28 -0500