New Posts For Thread: Grand National entry conditions under reviewhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-reviewAINTREE will hold wide-ranging discussions on the conditions for the first Randox Health Grand National in 2017 after qualification issues were brought to a head by the likelihood that former winner Pineau De Re and Aintree specialists Alvarado and HIs this really not about someone doing their job properly i.e. Newland and then trying to blame everyone else.If you want to run you make sure your horse carries enough weight which means running it fit and to it's ability or close enough to achievehttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548318705#548318705Is this really not about someone doing their job properly i.e. Newland and then trying to blame everyone else.If you want to run you make sure your horse carries enough weight which means running it fit and to it's ability or close enough to achieveThu, 07 Apr 2016 03:08:27 -0500With optional penalties, in certain years you'll have horses running for penalties when they usually wouldn't. Then you'll have those around them forced to run for penalties. You'll have horses running a lot closer to the National than connections wohttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548313843#548313843With optional penalties, in certain years you'll have horses running for penalties when they usually wouldn't. Then you'll have those around them forced to run for penalties. You'll have horses running a lot closer to the National than connections woWed, 06 Apr 2016 13:25:06 -0500You could give a winner an optional penalty of 5lbs which he accepts and he's in and then the following weekend he's out again because two more have picked up and accepted optional penalties. Be like the hokey cokey.https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548312497#548312497You could give a winner an optional penalty of 5lbs which he accepts and he's in and then the following weekend he's out again because two more have picked up and accepted optional penalties. Be like the hokey cokey.Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:46:54 -0500Why would you give a horse near the top of the weights a penalty for winning beyond the rise in the handicap it would get anyway? It would be in the handicap proper. That's not what I suggested.What if the horse rated 125 won by 20 lengths or the horhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548312453#548312453Why would you give a horse near the top of the weights a penalty for winning beyond the rise in the handicap it would get anyway? It would be in the handicap proper. That's not what I suggested.What if the horse rated 125 won by 20 lengths or the horWed, 06 Apr 2016 11:44:18 -0500The Grand National worked perfectly well for many years. The horses must run to their ratings.https://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548312069#548312069The Grand National worked perfectly well for many years. The horses must run to their ratings.Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:08:46 -0500The bottom weight in the Haydock trial was rated 125. The bottom in the Becher was 132. If that type won they'd be massively out of the weights.....and re giving them a penalty....what if a horse near the top of the weights won and they don't want thttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548312041#548312041The bottom weight in the Haydock trial was rated 125. The bottom in the Becher was 132. If that type won they'd be massively out of the weights.....and re giving them a penalty....what if a horse near the top of the weights won and they don't want tWed, 06 Apr 2016 11:06:37 -0500Surely you could easily mitigate the potential flaw whereby a 'win and you're in' race winner could be out of the handicap by giving them a penalty for the win which ensures they are in the handicap proper? Would have thought that was just as easy tohttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548311975#548311975Surely you could easily mitigate the potential flaw whereby a 'win and you're in' race winner could be out of the handicap by giving them a penalty for the win which ensures they are in the handicap proper? Would have thought that was just as easy toWed, 06 Apr 2016 10:59:25 -0500john. Just because a horse won the National two years ago, why should he be guaranteed a spot over up and coming Chasers iyo? I don't get the fuss about Pineau de Re not being in myself. Its 2 whole years ago, countless horses have arrived on the scehttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548310091#548310091john. Just because a horse won the National two years ago, why should he be guaranteed a spot over up and coming Chasers iyo? I don't get the fuss about Pineau de Re not being in myself. Its 2 whole years ago, countless horses have arrived on the sceWed, 06 Apr 2016 08:39:46 -0500Grand National handicap system is in serious need of an overhaul since the race became safer and fences easier, merely due to the fact that a former National winner, a dual Welsh National winner, a Becher Chase winner and horses placed in the last twhttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548308727#548308727Grand National handicap system is in serious need of an overhaul since the race became safer and fences easier, merely due to the fact that a former National winner, a dual Welsh National winner, a Becher Chase winner and horses placed in the last twWed, 06 Apr 2016 05:36:40 -0500This is a race that has been fudged and f**** for years. All that punters ask is that they know the score months in advance. The full race conditions need publishing on the Racing Post when early closing races are initially declared.I don't want to shttps://community.betfair.com/aintree2011/go/thread/view/121613/30675413/grand-national-entry-conditions-under-review?post_id=548308711#548308711This is a race that has been fudged and f**** for years. All that punters ask is that they know the score months in advance. The full race conditions need publishing on the Racing Post when early closing races are initially declared.I don't want to sWed, 06 Apr 2016 05:28:00 -0500